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Which Westbrook Trade Do You Prefer? |
Brogdon and Hield |
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Rozier and Hayward |
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Neither, just waive him |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Rek wrote: | Much easier to worry about moving Brogdon or Hield later than finding ways to unload Westbrook now. |
It's much easier to not have to worry about moving Westbrook next year than worrying about moving Brogdon or Hield next year if they don't pan out. Brogdon is signed through 2025 at an average of $22 million/year. If he continues to not be able to play more than 50 games in a season, moving him might be more difficult than moving Russ. |
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hydrohead Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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krisobe wrote: | MJST wrote: | Westbrook for Hield + Turner |
Yep. Have Bron play POINT again like 2020 and be the Magic Johnson role in the last dance/season of the BRON/AD era.
PG: Bron
SG: Hield
SF: Reaves or Stanley
PF: AD
C: Turner
Bench: Nunn, Wenyen, Reaves or Stanley
Playoff team for me in 2022-2023 if ALL healthy. |
LeBron shouldn't be playing full-time PG at age 37/38. His body may be starting to break down, and we need multiple ball-handlers, playmakers and scorers to preserve him during the regular season.
If we do the trade MJST mentioned, we should start Nunn at PG and find a backup PG who can push the pace and make plays for others in FA. I wonder if bringing back Augustin would accomplish that. |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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slavavov wrote: | krisobe wrote: | MJST wrote: | Westbrook for Hield + Turner |
Yep. Have Bron play POINT again like 2020 and be the Magic Johnson role in the last dance/season of the BRON/AD era.
PG: Bron
SG: Hield
SF: Reaves or Stanley
PF: AD
C: Turner
Bench: Nunn, Wenyen, Reaves or Stanley
Playoff team for me in 2022-2023 if ALL healthy. |
LeBron shouldn't be playing full-time PG at age 37/38. His body may be starting to break down, and we need multiple ball-handlers, playmakers and scorers to preserve him during the regular season.
If we do the trade MJST mentioned, we should start Nunn at PG and find a backup PG who can push the pace and make plays for others in FA. I wonder if bringing back Augustin would accomplish that. |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | I understand you like Rozier, but would you take Hayward as well? Or would you forward him to Indy for Brogdon/Hield? |
Yeah I'm not sure about that. If you could get Oubre and filler instead that would be ideal. But if the only offer on the table was Rozier and Heyward I'd take it. I think Hayward still has a bit left in him, but his injuries are an issue. He'd be a better fit with Lebron and AD though than Westbrook and only has two years left on his deal. So I'd take it, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
Same thing with Brogdon and Hield. It isn't ideal. Brogdon is a better player than Hayward at this stage of his career and is younger. His injuries have been pretty bad though. He's played 7 games fewer than Heyward over the past 4 seasons and his contract runs a year longer. When he plays though Brogdon would be a nice addition. I'm not a huge fan of Hield though. I feel like he's extremely overrated on these forums. He can stretch the floor, but he hasn't hit 40% three point shooting in the past three years and that is the only thing he excels at.
Of those two trades though I'd probably lean towards Brogdon and Hield. But if you could use a combination that doesn't include Heyward I think Rozier is the best overall fit in that group. But Heyward is also the worst contract. |
I agree about Brogdon, if he was healthy hed be a great addition and fit. I think he and Hayward both would fit well, wouldnt mind if we had both tbh. Ofcourse the injuries are a concern, so it can alter your whole season. But if fit, i like that team in a series against anyone. Rozier i like a lot as a player since his Boston days, but that contract length just repels me. I dont like any salary that goes beyond ADs current deal. But if necessary, id take him. He can contribute right now and can be dealt later i think _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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My vote's on Hayward and Rozier for a couple of reasons.
1.) Hayward and Brogdon are both injury prone but Brogdon's contract is a year longer than Hayward's.
2.) Wings are hard to come by. Hayward is a starter level wing. If we miss out on Batum or Otto Porter, we'd be left with scraps at the wing position once again. No, we're not getting Roco with the tax MLE.
3.) Hayward + Rozier would potentially give us a superior starting lineup than Brogdon + Hield
AD
Bron
Hayward
Rozier
Nunn or Delon Wright
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AD
Bron
Reaves or Stanley
Hield
Brogdon
While I love me some Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson, both are poor 3pt shooters. Brogdon has been up and down the past few years in Indiana from 3. Nunn, Wright, Hayward and Rozier are all consistent 36-40% 3pt shooters these past few seasons.
I've been wanting Delon Wright on the lakers for the past 2 years. He's as close to a Caruso replacement as we can get. Pesky, elite defender who can penetrate, handle the ball a little bit and a decent shooter from 3. And we can probably get him for cheap since his numbers took a dive playing behind Trae Young. _________________ Plan A - Schroder/Hield/Lebron/AD/Gasol
Plan B- Schroder/Powell/Lebron/AD/Gasol |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:23 am Post subject: |
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In theory, if you get Rozier, you can then pair him with Nunn and you don't have to spend your MMLE on Monk anymore and look for some better big wings and/or big men.
I love Brogdon. Really good player, but I'm really concerned about his injury history, and he's hitting his 30s and has a few more years on his deal. I also think the Pacer deal will cost more.
I'm hoping MJ wants to save his MJ-brand player in Westbrook. I have a hard time seeing Indy/Lakers do a deal. Still some bad blood over that PG13 situation. |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I hope the lakers get a decent starting center...would not like to see AD play heavy minutes at the 5 in the season....maybe it's just me, but even just getting rid of WB is going to make this team better...as a player on this squad it just impacted so much, where we played folks, how many minutes people got etc...I think it will still hard to pull off a chip, because I DO think we another "impact" player...but we may strike chemistry gold, if so we'd have a shot |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:45 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | In theory, if you get Rozier, you can then pair him with Nunn and you don't have to spend your MMLE on Monk anymore and look for some better big wings and/or big men. |
You can't pair Rozier and Nunn. We'd be way too undersized in the back court. It would be the same problem we've had this season. Rozier works in Charlotte, because LaMelo is 6'7". |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Threatt_Level wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | In theory, if you get Rozier, you can then pair him with Nunn and you don't have to spend your MMLE on Monk anymore and look for some better big wings and/or big men. |
You can't pair Rozier and Nunn. We'd be way too undersized in the back court. It would be the same problem we've had this season. Rozier works in Charlotte, because LaMelo is 6'7". |
I'm not saying that. I'm saying your "PG off of LBJ" will be Rozier/Nunn. Monk would be nice but wouldn't work for the reason you stated (size and defense) with Rozier/Nunn. |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I have feeling they'd give THT dibs as the starting SG in that situation which wouldn't be the worst idea consider all that shooting he'd have around him. I just hope they'd invest the MLE in a solid wing in anticipation of injuries. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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AY2043 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Either of these deals seem way too good to be true TBH... I mean I get all of these guys are on long/expensive deals and Hayward/Brogdon have extensive injury histories.. But look at the alternatives:
1. Wall for Westbrook + 2027 1st
2. Buyout, in which case we're still capped out with only cap exceptions to improve the team.
We have no shot at getting players the caliber of Hayward/Brogdon/Hield/Rozier any other way, so I really don't see the argument against it unless you want to just start tanking now... |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure that 32 years old and injury prone with 60+ million still guaranteed is necessarily worse than Westbrook? _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit) |
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acer77 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I still think Westbrook for Lillard is a possibility. Funny how Westbrook's value has skyrocketed. _________________ We love NIL (New & Improved Lakers!) |
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