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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Beir32 wrote: | Halflife wrote: | scottie was nasty. |
Scottie was the 1990’s version of Kawhi. |
Kawhi is clutch. He has all of Pippen's strengths but is also a great scorer. Pippen was a good scorer but more in the Shawn Marion type mold of being a good athlete, good on the break, good ball handler and passer. Great defender. He wasn't someone you gave the ball to in the half court and let him do his thing though. He had a very good all around game, but he only averaged 20 points three times in his career (never more than 22.0), and two of those three seasons were when Jordan was off playing baseball.
His best season was 22, 8.7, 5.6, and 2.9 when Jordan was in baseball retirement. And while he was getting up there in the years (33) post-Jordan he never looked like anywhere near that player on any of his other trips. Someone said Pippen had a better career without Jordan than vice versa. That wasn't really true though. In Houston the next season he averaged 14.5, 6.5, 5.9, and 1.4. Pretty solid but not great and he threw his teammate Barkley under the bus. The next year in Portland he averaged 12.5, 6.3, and 5 and was abused by a young Kobe badly. It was downhill in a hurry after that at age 35.
The only justificiation for it is the 1 1/2 years he played in his prime (that one above being the best) when he played without Jordan and on a team that had just won 3 straight titles with Jordan. But even in that scenario there is a reason Phil went with Kukoc for the biggest moment of the playoffs. Scottie wasn't that type of a scorer. By comparison Jordan pre-pippen averaged 37.1 points, 5.2 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2.9 steals, and 1.5 blocks.
Jordan pre-Pippen was a young kid who was already an unstoppable scorer and putting up ridiculous numbers already. Jordan post-Pippen was 38 and 39 years old, and coming off a 3 year retirement. And even then he gave the Wizards 22.9, 5.7, 5.2, and 1.4 steals, albeit on terrible efficiency. Pippen at 38 by comparison averaged 5.9, 3.0, and 2.2, and 0.9 on equally horrid efficiency. I don't think comparing either player at that age is fair though. |
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Black20Ice Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Metta World Peace snubs Magic Johnson and Larry Bird in his list of the Top 5 players of all time
Quote: | “My five [are] Bill Russell because you can’t beat him. He beat Wilt Chamberlain. I got Wilt Chamberlain number two, I just don’t know who could do what he could do. I got Wilt Chamberlain at number two, and they say he’s an older era, but it’s the same era that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was, and they played against each other.” |
Quote: | The other players mentioned, James, Kobe, and MJ, were expected, but among those glaring omissions were Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Shaquille O’ Neal, among others. |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/metta-world-peace-snubs-magic-johnson-and-larry-bird-in-his-list-of-the-top-5-players-of-all-time/ar-AAZynxm?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=9c16dc06877149159b97e4becbe3c23d |
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