Was passing on Jayson Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the franchise?
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Was passing on Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the Lakers?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 5:53 pm    Post subject:

99 to 04 were the worst years of LAL scouting in almost franchise history.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 5:57 pm    Post subject:

At the time, Celts would have shipped Tatum along with a bunch of assets to Naulins for AD so even if the Lakers had Tatum, he would have been included in the AD trade as well. I'd love to know which GM wouldn't have shipped just about any player for AD at the time. The "blunder" here is giving up too many assets in a trade where we had a lot of leverage.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 6:04 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
99 to 04 were the worst years of LAL scouting in almost franchise history.

Not that it was his fault, but the scary thing is, there’s at least one person here who wouldn’t mind Phil Jackson having a say in personnel moves…
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 6:23 pm    Post subject:

j-dawg wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
99 to 04 were the worst years of LAL scouting in almost franchise history.

Not that it was his fault, but the scary thing is, there’s at least one person here who wouldn’t mind Phil Jackson having a say in personnel moves…


The same Phil who wanted to trade Kobe for Kidd and Marion. Frankly, this wouldnt have been the worst trade but come on.....by the middle of 1999-2000 season we all knew Kobe was a once in a generation type player. This is like Pat Riley going up to Jerry West and saying lets trade Magic for Moncrief and Paul Pressey. Moncrief and Pressey were great players but there is levels to this.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 7:33 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Lebron, BI and Tatum.
Don't they all need the ball in their hands (offensive initiators) to be at their highest productive selves?

That sounds like the logic the Portland Trail Blazers used to justify taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984.

Bobby Knight once said that one of his close friends was in the Blazers' front office and that he told that friend he had to draft Jordan.

The friend was like, "But we need a center."

Knight was like, "Then play Jordan at center."

Magic Johnson and the rest of the front office fell for the stupid Lonzo Ball hype, thinking that he would be a Hall of Famer and break Magic's records.



More recently, GSW choosing James Wiseman over LaMelo Ball.


And when a team gets all three okc happens.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Was passing on Jayson Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the franchise?

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A pretty straight forward question.

That one miscalculation cost the Lakers a true franchise player.

Not only a true franchise player but one who is a disciple of the greatest Laker to ever wear the uniform, Kobe Bryant.

The way it would have been a seamless transition is scary.

And to those who will respond with the "well he would have been traded for AD anyway so what does it matter?"

That just further solidifies how GOD awful the Magic/Rob front office has been when it comes to evaluating talent.

If this regime would have traded both BI and Tatum for a brittle Anthony Davis, they should never again in life be allowed near any team's front office.


How about 1999 draft Devean George over Andrei Kirilenko that may have extended our title run to include the 2003 title. AK47 in his prime was a true unicorn on defense with elite ability to defend the wing and protect the rim and would have fit at the 3 perfectly for the Shaq-Kobe teams. You give me a choice of prime Tatum vs prime Kirilenko, this is not as big of a whitewash as you may think.

How about 2002 draft of bypassing Carlos Boozer for Kareem Rush when Power Forward had been our perennial weakness for years.

Or 2003 draft of bypassing Josh Howard for Brian Cook.

Actually the biggest miss for the Lakers in history would have been not drafting Gus Johnson in 1963 and selecting Roger Strickland. Not selecting Johnson the closest thing to Barkley and someone the Lakers considered cost the Lakers 2-3 titles during Jerry West's run as he said so himself


This is a good post. Lakers didn't prioritize the draft during the 3pt era because they mistakenly felt the main core (Fisher, Horry, Fox, etc) was good enough to 4-peat. The wheels fell off quickly, and the aging core was no match for a Spurs team with a young Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. It's kind of interesting how current management made a similar mistake after trading for AD, thinking that draft picks wouldn't have value after the acquisition. Their overconfidence cost them in 02-03 and then in 20-21, 21-22. Shaq decided to get surgery on "company time" while Kobe was stuck carrying a relatively weak and aging Laker core. Same thing with AD, with Lebron carrying them. The lesson is to never slack on draft choices. You may hit it out of the park or not, but at least you have a chance to hit a homerun.


Drafting Brandon Rush in 2003 over T. Prince (Pistons) caused us the 2004 Championship.

Lonzo (UCLA) should be a 10-20 picks not No.2. Just because when was the last time UCLA produced a NBA star. WB and Love ??? He also disappeared when he played De'Aaron Fox in the NCAA tournament. He was mentally weak from start with a weak jump shot. Reaves will have more impact than Lonzo. Just wait.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 8:02 pm    Post subject:

The problem with these threads is people act like teams can look 5 years into the future before deciding which players to pick.

Kobe was drafted 13th (yes out of high school, but look at the players picked before him) and traded to us. A lot of teams had to miss on him for him to become a Laker.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2022 8:06 pm    Post subject:

We can’t always accurately predict how players in the league will perform when they switch teams. And I’m talking about players that have actually played in the NBA.

Why would predicting the future of college players be easy? That is much more difficult.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:48 am    Post subject:

All I want is to see Tatum in a Lakers jersey.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Was passing on Jayson Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the franchise?

RashardA wrote:
A pretty straight forward question.

That one miscalculation cost the Lakers a true franchise player.

Not only a true franchise player but one who is a disciple of the greatest Laker to ever wear the uniform, Kobe Bryant.

The way it would have been a seamless transition is scary.

And to those who will respond with the "well he would have been traded for AD anyway so what does it matter?"

That just further solidifies how GOD awful the Magic/Rob front office has been when it comes to evaluating talent.

If this regime would have traded both BI and Tatum for a brittle Anthony Davis, they should never again in life be allowed near any team's front office.


I wouldn't call it a miscalculation. Ball was a reasonable choice.

You can never predict with accuracy how guys will develop. In hindsight, every draft would be done very differently
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:19 am    Post subject:

^ Yep, like saying if only we didn't draft Julius and traded back with Philly for 2 picks and drafted Jeremi Grant and Jokic instead. 😭
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:19 am    Post subject:

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All I want is to see Tatum in a Lakers jersey.


Wait a few more years. It'll happen.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Was passing on Jayson Tatum the biggest draft blunder in the history of the franchise?

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RashardA wrote:
A pretty straight forward question.

That one miscalculation cost the Lakers a true franchise player.

Not only a true franchise player but one who is a disciple of the greatest Laker to ever wear the uniform, Kobe Bryant.

The way it would have been a seamless transition is scary.

And to those who will respond with the "well he would have been traded for AD anyway so what does it matter?"

That just further solidifies how GOD awful the Magic/Rob front office has been when it comes to evaluating talent.

If this regime would have traded both BI and Tatum for a brittle Anthony Davis, they should never again in life be allowed near any team's front office.


I wouldn't call it a miscalculation. Ball was a reasonable choice.

You can never predict with accuracy how guys will develop. In hindsight, every draft would be done very differently


It really was. So much revisionist history here. Ball killed it in the summer league and won the SL MVP. Then he dropped a triple double in his 2nd regular season game, after Patrick Beverly abused him in the 1st game. People forget all the hype he generated. Everyone thought he was the next Laker great after being the youngest player to drop a triple double. He was very much comparable to Tatum in the first few seasons. One can even argue Ball had a great impact because the team's record was positive when he was on the floor. Tatum's game took off during year 3, and the Boston fanbase was split on trading him for AD, citing playoff exits and lack of consistency. It's almost like young players take 3-4 years to develop and aren't Luka Doncic out of the gate. Ball never had a chance to grow and develop because of his injury situation.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:46 am    Post subject:

As I recall the Celtics were focused on Jackson and Tatum moreso than the PG's. Once they targeted Tatum (after Jackson totally dissed Ainge and didn't show up for a team workout after working out for Phoenix) they took the trade down offer from the Sixers. Philly totally blew that draft and could've sat there at 4 and kept the extra picks they sent to Boston. If Ainge had any inkling that Tatum would've been picked at 2/3 then he doesn't do the trade down. Lavar had already made it clear he wanted Zo drafted by the Lakers and wouldn't work out with Boston. Fultz apparently did poorly in his Boston workout so Ainge found a sucker in Philadelphia.

In the Lakers defense both Lonzo and Fultz looked like can't miss type prospects leading up to that draft. I can see why Magic took the hometown kid that wanted to play for the Lakers and even cleared the decks by trading DLo. He was a sensation at UCLA. Nobody could've foreseen the injuries. That's another reason the draft is such a crapshoot.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:48 am    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
scout_0 wrote:
All I want is to see Tatum in a Lakers jersey.


Wait a few more years. It'll happen.



Don’t hold your breath, he’s the Celtic franchise right now.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 10:11 am    Post subject:

What about drafting Dangelo Russell over Jahlil Okafor?
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 10:28 am    Post subject:

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What about drafting Dangelo Russell over Jahlil Okafor?


Are you (bleep) serious?
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 10:28 am    Post subject:

daytripper wrote:
As I recall the Celtics were focused on Jackson and Tatum moreso than the PG's. Once they targeted Tatum (after Jackson totally dissed Ainge and didn't show up for a team workout after working out for Phoenix) they took the trade down offer from the Sixers. Philly totally blew that draft and could've sat there at 4 and kept the extra picks they sent to Boston. If Ainge had any inkling that Tatum would've been picked at 2/3 then he doesn't do the trade down. Lavar had already made it clear he wanted Zo drafted by the Lakers and wouldn't work out with Boston. Fultz apparently did poorly in his Boston workout so Ainge found a sucker in Philadelphia.

In the Lakers defense both Lonzo and Fultz looked like can't miss type prospects leading up to that draft. I can see why Magic took the hometown kid that wanted to play for the Lakers and even cleared the decks by trading DLo. He was a sensation at UCLA. Nobody could've foreseen the injuries. That's another reason the draft is such a crapshoot.


Fultz was also an incredible prospect, so you can't blame Philly. Most teams would have taken him at #1. In some alternative universe where he doesn't develop shoulder problems, he's leading Philly to rings with Embiid. It's bizarre what happened to him. I don't how significant his shoulder injury was, but he literally forgot how to shoot. Philly's medical staff is really something. They botched so many of their premiere picks.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 11:32 am    Post subject:

Von Wafer/Turiaf over Monta Ellis.

Brian Cook over Leandro Barbosa
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 11:40 am    Post subject:

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Fultz was also an incredible prospect, so you can't blame Philly. Most teams would have taken him at #1. In some alternative universe where he doesn't develop shoulder problems, he's leading Philly to rings with Embiid. It's bizarre what happened to him. I don't how significant his shoulder injury was, but he literally forgot how to shoot. Philly's medical staff is really something. They botched so many of their premiere picks.


Philadelphia burned on their lottery picks.

2017 #1 pick Markelle Fultz
2016 #1 pick Ben Simmons
2015 #3 pick Jahlil Okafor
2014 #3 pick Joel Embiid
2013 #6 pick Nerlens Noe
2010 #2 pick Evan Turner

Only guy to pan out is Joel Embiid, and he's on Patrick Ewing trajectory.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 12:12 pm    Post subject:

Wouldn't of mattered, we would've traded them all.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 12:13 pm    Post subject:

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What about drafting Dangelo Russell over Jahlil Okafor?
Great pick.
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JUST-MING wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:

Fultz was also an incredible prospect, so you can't blame Philly. Most teams would have taken him at #1. In some alternative universe where he doesn't develop shoulder problems, he's leading Philly to rings with Embiid. It's bizarre what happened to him. I don't how significant his shoulder injury was, but he literally forgot how to shoot. Philly's medical staff is really something. They botched so many of their premiere picks.


Philadelphia burned on their lottery picks.

2017 #1 pick Markelle Fultz
2016 #1 pick Ben Simmons
2015 #3 pick Jahlil Okafor
2014 #3 pick Joel Embiid
2013 #6 pick Nerlens Noe
2010 #2 pick Evan Turner

Only guy to pan out is Joel Embiid, and he's on Patrick Ewing trajectory.


What does Patrick Ewing trajectory mean?
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 12:29 pm    Post subject:

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Tatum would've been traded for AD
this


Thanks for the quote... wish you would've read the whole post I made. Here it is again...

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People keep talking about Tatum would've been traded for AD. IMO Lakers would've waited one more season til AD was a FA and then went and got him. BI took a couple years to develop while Tatum out the gate was looking pretty polished. Me thinks he'd have been either kept out of a deal with others added instead or more like Lakers just wait as LeBron/Tatum/BI would have been good enough to stay atop the west one more season til Davis hit free agency.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 1:11 pm    Post subject:

198 players were picked before Tom Brady fwiw. He was just a 6th round draft pick.
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