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LakerSD
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| Halflife wrote: | | I am surprised Juwan howards name was never mentioned. not saying he's better but he has experience in college and pros. Doesnt seem to take bleep, has a history with bron and Pelinka. |
Juwan could have just been pulling a Jim Harbaugh, leverage play to get more $ from Michigan.
Harbaugh basically used the Raiders and Vikings for leverage. |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/ralph_masonjr/status/1527880859818242049?s=21&t=lP4xcY16HSLL4K_y2T6FcQ
Pincus says sources say LeKlutch wants Ham. |
Pretty sure LeKlutch also wants Mark Jackson/Nick Nurse/Quinn Snyder it doesn’t mean they hold any weight on the potential hire |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/ralph_masonjr/status/1527880859818242049?s=21&t=lP4xcY16HSLL4K_y2T6FcQ
Pincus says sources say LeKlutch wants Ham. |
Emplay makes sure to mention it's from non Lakers/Lebron sources.
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/ralph_masonjr/status/1527880859818242049?s=21&t=lP4xcY16HSLL4K_y2T6FcQ
Pincus says sources say LeKlutch wants Ham. |
How big a difference does it make if Klutch/ James want Ham?
Why? Will Ham make him younger? Play defense or rebound? Cross halfcourt more often when he feels wronged? Give him enough load management days off?
Lakers have to be looking for the best HC option for the next five years. Not just the James Retirement Tour. Next HC has to have a plan to manage this mess of a as roster for a season until they can get past the Westbrook and James contracts and start the rebuild.
Hire the best HC and staff for the Lakers. If that is Ham, awesome.
I’ve reached the point of not caring what James/ Klutch thinks or wants. |
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Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Ham as head coach with Stotts as lead assistant is the outcome that I'll guess happens. I am going to assume that Atkinson would not want to be the lead assistant here; why would he leave a Golden State assistant role for one here? |
Why would Stotts lose out on the job to Ham and then go to work for him? There are still other coaching opportunities. |
It would depend on various factors. There aren't many openings left, and perhaps Stotts isn't or wouldn't be a candidate for the other jobs that are open. If that's the case, maybe he is aware that the lead assistant/offensive coordinator role is the best that he can do, and, much like how we were able to get Jason Kidd to take that role, perhaps Stotts would think that he might be the next man up if Ham were to David Blatt himself out of the gig. |
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Stotts is also 64. Some teams may want a younger coach.
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Darvin Ham Has Made ‘Strongest Impression Yet’
| Quote: | | Ham has been an assistant in the NBA for a long time now, including a stint with the Lakers. The current Milwaukee Bucks assistant seems to command respect from players as a former player himself, which is why the Lakers have been so impressed with him so far |
https://lakersnation.com/lakers-head-coaching-rumors-darvin-ham-has-made-strongest-impression-yet/2022/05/20/ |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
I would love to know the answer to question 1. Wonder what he's basing it on.
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
Every first time head coach is theoretically a mystery. But he has been an assistant for some time so there seems to be a very positive track record and reputation he has built.
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2022 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
I would love to know the answer to question 1. Wonder what he's basing it on. |
Here’s the pod he did about it:
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1BRJjnrPPgWJw
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| I will say this, a lot of analytics-based Laker Twitter was trashing the Jason Kidd hire when we got him as an assistant. He was seen as a failed former head coach with baggage along with that. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | I will say this, a lot of analytics-based Laker Twitter was trashing the Jason Kidd hire when we got him as an assistant. He was seen as a failed former head coach with baggage along with that. |
To be fair, at the time it’s hard to say that wasn’t an accurate assessment. He had two coaching stints that didn’t go well and the people that replaced him had better results. Sometimes people get better. Kudos to him.
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Yeah it's possible, he could be that next good player turned head coach. Meets some of the criteria.
The only thing is the situation. Lue inherited prime Lebron/Kyrie/Love and a team that went to the NBA Finals. They went one step ahead (came back from 3-1 down through super performance by Lebron) with Lue in the Finals.
We were a 33 win team that has old Lebron looking for a scoring title, injury plagued AD and a 47M making Westbrook whose value is off a 6th man. All 3 guys are best in the paint, and we don't have elite 3nD role players around them.
Ham is not walking into a situation where the talent is there to win rings, and as a rookie coach I wonder how he will deal with the struggles that I anticipate us having. The bar is set lower, so getting to 45 wins and the playoffs will be seen as success now. But, even then, I think that will be not easy to accomplish based on what we've seen the last 2 years. |
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| ocho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | I will say this, a lot of analytics-based Laker Twitter was trashing the Jason Kidd hire when we got him as an assistant. He was seen as a failed former head coach with baggage along with that. |
To be fair, at the time it’s hard to say that wasn’t an accurate assessment. He had two coaching stints that didn’t go well and the people that replaced him had better results. Sometimes people get better. Kudos to him. |
And he credits the head coach we fired for helping him get better. |
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
I would love to know the answer to question 1. Wonder what he's basing it on. |
Here’s the pod he did about it:
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1BRJjnrPPgWJw |
Thanks.
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| Quote: | ESPN Sources: Michigan coach Juwan Howard recently declined a Los Angeles Lakers overture on the franchise’s head coaching job. Howard is coaching his two sons — Jace and Jett — in Ann Arbor.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | I will say this, a lot of analytics-based Laker Twitter was trashing the Jason Kidd hire when we got him as an assistant. He was seen as a failed former head coach with baggage along with that. |
To be fair, at the time it’s hard to say that wasn’t an accurate assessment. He had two coaching stints that didn’t go well and the people that replaced him had better results. Sometimes people get better. Kudos to him. |
And he credits the head coach we fired for helping him get better. |
And Greg St Jean, the advanced scout on our roster that Kidd took with him to Dallas. Very underrated staff addition for Dallas and subtraction for us. |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Darvin Ham could be like the next Tyrone Lue type of hire aka future good head coach.
Cranjis is really high on Ham too. |
Why is Cranjis really high on someone he has not seen head coach, don't know his coaching philosophy, offensive or defensive strategy, don't know how he would be as a leader, etc... He is a question mark. So why would he be really high on someone he does not have an true idea of how he would be as a head coach? Also, why would you or should we care if Cranjis is really high on someone? Ham could happen to be really good, but being high on him right now, seems a bit of a stretch and wishful thinking than rooted with facts of what he would bring to the table. |
I would love to know the answer to question 1. Wonder what he's basing it on. |
Ham crafted the new offensive scheme for the Bucks last season. Before that, Giannis couldn’t get past the second round (and neither could Budenholzer) thanks to the “wall” defense every team deployed.
This team has been dying for some offensive ingenuity and that’s even if we’re fortunate enough to get rid Westbrook. |
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| lebron should have no say in a new coach |
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| lakermann44 wrote: | | lebron should have no say in a new coach |
Then Jeanie would be running out of people to take the blame. She has been very active in using her sources to declare that she will have nothing to do with hiring a new coach, isolating herself from blame. Unlike normal pro team owners who take an active role in hiring coaches.
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| So people think we aren’t a glamour franchise just because Juwan decided to stay in Michigan to be with his 2 sons? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So people think we aren’t a glamour franchise just because Juwan decided to stay in Michigan to be with his 2 sons? |
We're a glamour franchise. But it isn't a glamour job right now. This is shown by the fact that it is newsworthy that Howard passed on an interview, but also that no one is saying that it's surprising.
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