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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:28 am    Post subject:

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If you told me I could have


PG.Kyrie
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Both at 27 years old I am trading every pick until 2050.


Kyrie is 30 and AD is 29. Both haven't played a full season in years.


They are both looking more like all-nba third team players rather than all-nba first team players.
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If you told me I could have


PG.Kyrie
PF.Davis

Both at 27 years old I am trading every pick until 2050.


Kyrie is 30 and AD is 29. Both haven't played a full season in years.


They are both looking more like all-nba third team players rather than all-nba first team players.


Having three all NBA caliber players? Yes please.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:37 pm    Post subject:

Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:45 pm    Post subject:

I don’t think that Lebron’s extension has any effect on Kyrie. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kyrie also re-up with Brooklyn.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:54 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Kyrie could have come to the Lakers under his own free will this offseason.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:30 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Not sure if we can sign him to a max contract with Lebron's extension...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:23 pm    Post subject:

quartzcharm wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Kyrie could have come to the Lakers under his own free will this offseason.


It would've been childish for him to take a $30 million pay cut to come here, especially after forfeiting a big chunk of $$$ last year because of his refusal to get vaccinated.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:26 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Imho if Kyrie is in the cards, this LABron extension means we most likely trade for him and bird rights so that we can max him out till the summer of 2025 when both Bron & AD’s current deals expire.

It would have to be a trade since Ky can’t get the max any other way. We project to have just north of 20m in cap space next summer with a potential to have almost 33m if both THT/Damien opt out of their deals via their player options next summer. Ky’s 35% max is about 47m next summer, so Ky would have to be willing to take quite a significant haircut to become a Laker as a FA next summer.

So we trade for Ky and possibly have him activate his 15% trade kicker making him about a 42.4m cap hit on our books this year (ie which would give him a payment of nearly a 35% max player annual ie 43.3m).

You then give dude a max 1+1 extension, 6 months after the trade which would give him his true 35% maxes and give him the options (via player option) to opt out in 2024, like Bron & AD or to play out their deals till they expire in 2025.

Or he waits till his 42.4m (with trade kicker activated) deal expires and then signs a new 2yr (1+1) 99m deal next summer…
2023/24: 47.6m (35% max based off of a maxed out 136m salary cap)
2024/25: 51.4m (8% annual escalator based off full bird rights)
= 2yr 99m

Based off what his agent has been rumored to negotiate in extension talks with BK, it seems Ky is down for a shorter deal as long as it’s the max.

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The Nets and Shetellia Riley Irving worked through various proposals, including a two-year max extension that included incentives based on games played as well as a four-year max that included two years guaranteed and triggers for years three and four based on the games played in years one and two, sources said. Irving showed a willingness to accept an incentive-based deal before a final counter was made to the Nets, according to sources: a short-term contract extension protecting both sides with a player option. Brooklyn declined.

The Nets and Irving did come close to an agreement late last week, sources said, before talks stalled out.

https://theathletic.com/3387111/2022/06/28/kyrie-irving-nets-decision/


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Honest to god wtf is going on in Brooklyn. Wtf is going on with KD and wtf is going on with Kyrie. This is so ridiculous. How much can you hate your coach and FO? They’re best friends + have a decent supporting cast..isn’t that enough to put (bleep) aside and try and win a ring?

Makes me appreciate Kobe/Shaq so much more.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:46 pm    Post subject:

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Honest to god wtf is going on in Brooklyn. Wtf is going on with KD and wtf is going on with Kyrie. This is so ridiculous. How much can you hate your coach and FO? They’re best friends + have a decent supporting cast..isn’t that enough to put (bleep) aside and try and win a ring?

Makes me appreciate Kobe/Shaq so much more.


Probably a taste of what's to come for the future of the NBA. Trending more towards a soap opera than actual bball
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:25 am    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Imho if Kyrie is in the cards, this LABron extension means we most likely trade for him and bird rights so that we can max him out till the summer of 2025 when both Bron & AD’s current deals expire.

It would have to be a trade since Ky can’t get the max any other way. We project to have just north of 20m in cap space next summer with a potential to have almost 33m if both THT/Damien opt out of their deals via their player options next summer. Ky’s 35% max is about 47m next summer, so Ky would have to be willing to take quite a significant haircut to become a Laker as a FA next summer.

So we trade for Ky and possibly have him activate his 15% trade kicker making him about a 42.4m cap hit on our books this year (ie which would give him a payment of nearly a 35% max player annual ie 43.3m).

You then give dude a max 1+1 extension, 6 months after the trade which would give him his true 35% maxes and give him the options (via player option) to opt out in 2024, like Bron & AD or to play out their deals till they expire in 2025.

Or he waits till his 42.4m (with trade kicker activated) deal expires and then signs a new 2yr (1+1) 99m deal next summer…
2023/24: 47.6m (35% max based off of a maxed out 136m salary cap)
2024/25: 51.4m (8% annual escalator based off full bird rights)
= 2yr 99m

Based off what his agent has been rumored to negotiate in extension talks with BK, it seems Ky is down for a shorter deal as long as it’s the max.

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The Nets and Shetellia Riley Irving worked through various proposals, including a two-year max extension that included incentives based on games played as well as a four-year max that included two years guaranteed and triggers for years three and four based on the games played in years one and two, sources said. Irving showed a willingness to accept an incentive-based deal before a final counter was made to the Nets, according to sources: a short-term contract extension protecting both sides with a player option. Brooklyn declined.

The Nets and Irving did come close to an agreement late last week, sources said, before talks stalled out.

https://theathletic.com/3387111/2022/06/28/kyrie-irving-nets-decision/


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Bron+AD+Kyrie in the same time line? 2 years to gun for a chip? I'm guessing we keeping THT as asset (possibly flip)? can resign above cap Reaves and T.Bryant? I mean, YES, go talk to your boy Rob, let's go get this done
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:34 am    Post subject:

Snipes wrote:
Honest to god wtf is going on in Brooklyn. Wtf is going on with KD and wtf is going on with Kyrie. This is so ridiculous. How much can you hate your coach and FO? They’re best friends + have a decent supporting cast..isn’t that enough to put (bleep) aside and try and win a ring?

Makes me appreciate Kobe/Shaq so much more.


Don't forget about Harden that wanted to leave the ship after one year.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:48 am    Post subject:

We have to wait for the play owner Durant to get moved before we can get Kyrie.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:54 am    Post subject:

I'm dubious about Kyrie coming over b/c I think the Nets will drag this one out, and if KD is there, they have literally no use for Russ (even if 2 picks came with him).

Just sad that we spent so much to get Russ and now he is literally worthless on the trade market and will be costly to shed.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:00 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
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lar9149 wrote:
Since LBJ signed a 2 year extension, do you guys think this means it is high likely he reunites with Irving eventually.

For example, if they don't trade for Irving and keep WB, Irving contract expires this year and he can come to the Lakers under his free will assuming the Nets don't have a great season?


Imho if Kyrie is in the cards, this LABron extension means we most likely trade for him and bird rights so that we can max him out till the summer of 2025 when both Bron & AD’s current deals expire.

It would have to be a trade since Ky can’t get the max any other way. We project to have just north of 20m in cap space next summer with a potential to have almost 33m if both THT/Damien opt out of their deals via their player options next summer. Ky’s 35% max is about 47m next summer, so Ky would have to be willing to take quite a significant haircut to become a Laker as a FA next summer.

So we trade for Ky and possibly have him activate his 15% trade kicker making him about a 42.4m cap hit on our books this year (ie which would give him a payment of nearly a 35% max player annual ie 43.3m).

You then give dude a max 1+1 extension, 6 months after the trade which would give him his true 35% maxes and give him the options (via player option) to opt out in 2024, like Bron & AD or to play out their deals till they expire in 2025.

Or he waits till his 42.4m (with trade kicker activated) deal expires and then signs a new 2yr (1+1) 99m deal next summer…
2023/24: 47.6m (35% max based off of a maxed out 136m salary cap)
2024/25: 51.4m (8% annual escalator based off full bird rights)
= 2yr 99m

Based off what his agent has been rumored to negotiate in extension talks with BK, it seems Ky is down for a shorter deal as long as it’s the max.

Quote:
The Nets and Shetellia Riley Irving worked through various proposals, including a two-year max extension that included incentives based on games played as well as a four-year max that included two years guaranteed and triggers for years three and four based on the games played in years one and two, sources said. Irving showed a willingness to accept an incentive-based deal before a final counter was made to the Nets, according to sources: a short-term contract extension protecting both sides with a player option. Brooklyn declined.

The Nets and Irving did come close to an agreement late last week, sources said, before talks stalled out.

https://theathletic.com/3387111/2022/06/28/kyrie-irving-nets-decision/


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Bron+AD+Kyrie in the same time line? 2 years to gun for a chip? I'm guessing we keeping THT as asset (possibly flip)? can resign above cap Reaves and T.Bryant? I mean, YES, go talk to your boy Rob, let's go get this done


The manna crumbs are absolutely there….

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The Lakers remain active in trade talks and would part with their 2027 and 2029 first-round picks in the right deal, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski said in an appearance on Sports Center.



Those picks “have a lot of value in the marketplace” if they’re unprotected, Wojnarowski states. He adds that L.A. would be willing to give them up in a trade for Kyrie Irving, but the Nets haven’t been interested.

The Lakers have also engaged in “on and off again” talks with the Pacers about Myles Turner and Buddy Hield, sources tell Wojnarowski, but L.A. wouldn’t trade both future first-rounders in that deal.

Russell Westbrook would have to be included in either trade with Brooklyn or Indiana to help match salaries.

The Lakers are hoping to add outside shooting and size before the regular season begins in October, per Wojnarowski. However, holding on to their draft picks gives them the ability to do something later in the season if a better opportunity arises.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/woj-lakers-willing-to-trade-two-first-round-picks.html


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Those around the team were confident that James signing an extension was likely, considering how much he’s enjoyed playing for the Lakers and living in Los Angeles. The primary complication in James’ decision was that he has been privately adamant that the Lakers still need to improve the current roster and trade for superstar point guard Kyrie Irving, league sources have told The Athletic. – via Jovan Buha @ The Athletic


Btw Gov, let me make this absolutely clear, Rob ain’t my F’n boy, fam. I thought I made that pretty F’n obvious already haha.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:23 am    Post subject:

Lakers will have (assuming we trade 2027/29)

2023 1st round pick (Pels have swap rights)
2024 or 2025
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:20 am    Post subject:

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June-July: Kyrie wants out of Brooklyn; Nets willing to trade him for Laker’s 2 FRP but Lakers not interested in offering both

August: Kyrie and Brooklyn trying to make amends; Lakers now willing to offer 2 FRP but Nets doesn’t seem as interested anymore


Guess Lakers FO bluff waited too long?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:18 am    Post subject:

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June-July: Kyrie wants out of Brooklyn; Nets willing to trade him for Laker’s 2 FRP but Lakers not interested in offering both

August: Kyrie and Brooklyn trying to make amends; Lakers now willing to offer 2 FRP but Nets doesn’t seem as interested anymore


Guess Lakers FO bluff waited too long?


Yup. The Lakers Front Office definitely don't know how to play poker. They held on to those cards too long.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:22 am    Post subject:

I bet Kyrie for Westbrook and two firsts was never on the table

way too good to be true
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:33 am    Post subject:

That Nets team might do well as an under the radar type of team.
I still have high hopes for Ben.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:37 am    Post subject:

LakerLand247 wrote:
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June-July: Kyrie wants out of Brooklyn; Nets willing to trade him for Laker’s 2 FRP but Lakers not interested in offering both

August: Kyrie and Brooklyn trying to make amends; Lakers now willing to offer 2 FRP but Nets doesn’t seem as interested anymore


Guess Lakers FO bluff waited too long?


Yup. The Lakers Front Office definitely don't know how to play poker. They held on to those cards too long.


That narrative is complete nonsense. The Nets were never going to trade Kyrie before trading KD — which they are trying their best not to do.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:35 pm    Post subject:

At this point, just let the nets implode on themselves. They aren’t gonna win the ship as it currently stands as there is way to much smoke.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:45 pm    Post subject:

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At this point, just let the nets implode on themselves. They aren’t gonna win the ship as it currently stands as there is way to much smoke.


This.

Just let them fall flat on their faces. That situation is beyond repair. It’s their right not to want to trade, but they will most likely end up in the same situation as other petty operated orgs like Indiana.
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The Brooklyn Nets want ‘win-now talent’ in return to part with Kyrie Irving, per @TheSteinLine

“The Nets’ current stance, sources say, is that they are unwilling to send out Irving in a trade if the deal solely brings back future assets”

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-lakers-pledge-to-lebron


So Russ + 27/29 1sts, followed by a Russ buyout ain’t gonna cut it.

So where we settling in? Taking on JHarris’s deal as well? Are THT/Nunn win-now players?

So it still appears a 3rd team needs to be involved in some way or another.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:16 pm    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
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The Brooklyn Nets want ‘win-now talent’ in return to part with Kyrie Irving, per @TheSteinLine

“The Nets’ current stance, sources say, is that they are unwilling to send out Irving in a trade if the deal solely brings back future assets”

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-lakers-pledge-to-lebron


So Russ + 27/29 1sts, followed by a Russ buyout ain’t gonna cut it.

So where we settling in? Taking on JHarris’s deal as well? Are THT/Nunn win-now players?

So it still appears a 3rd team needs to be involved in some way or another.



In that case,

Send Russ, THT and two firsts to Utah.

Conley, Bogdon, Beasley type deal to Brooklyn.

Kyrie/Harris to LA
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