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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:16 pm    Post subject:

BBC News
https://youtu.be/1E-UvVgE288
(Putin orders mass mobilisation and issues nuclear warning - BBC News)

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling up thousands of extra troops to fight in Ukraine after suffering setbacks on the battlefield.

Mr Putin said the partial mobilisation was necessary to ensure Russian territorial integrity.

In a televised address Mr Putin also issued a thinly-veiled threat that he could use nuclear weapons.

He said the West was engaging in "nuclear blackmail" and that Moscow had "lots of weapons to reply".

He declared: “When the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal to protect Russia and our people. It's not a bluff.”

Protests broke out in Russia following the announcement of mobilisation. It applies to 300,000 military reservists.

The mobilisation is the first since World War Two and comes after Ukraine's forces made gains in a rapid counter-offensive this month.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said it showed Mr Putin wanted to drown Ukraine in blood, including that of his own soldiers.

Sophie Raworth presents BBC News at Ten reporting by Steve Rosenberg in Moscow.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:42 pm    Post subject:

I hate how he keeps speaking lies and spreading lies to the world and his people
He is so gross as a human


 “When the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, 

^^While they have murdered 10,000 people in their own territory next door to them...
Kidnapped women and children and tortured innocent civilians and made the whole world concerned they would blow up a nuclear reactor

Russia is (bleep)! They must kill Putin ASAP or the world could end!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:05 pm    Post subject:

BBC News
https://youtu.be/ALjSsiWepOY
(US President Biden condemns Russian invasion of Ukraine in UN speech – BBC News)

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US President Joe Biden has told the UN general assembly that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a shameless violation of the core tenets of the UN charter.

Mr Biden urged the world to see Russia's "outrageous acts for what they are" and said no-one sought conflict apart from Moscow.

His words came just hours after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced military reservists are to be sent to Ukraine as part of a partial mobilisation of Russian forces.

President Putin accused the West of "nuclear blackmail" and said a threat to retaliate was "not a bluff".
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:30 pm    Post subject:

Dark Brandon RISE!

I am so much happier with Biden as our leader
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 pm    Post subject:

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Russia has an impeachment policy in place. It's been used 3 times, all against Boris Yeltsin. All 3 failed. Putin may be next to be impeached. Can 4 be a charm?

I don't think Alexei Navalny will live to serve the 9-year sentence imposed on him. I'm actually surprised he's still alive. He's already been poisoned once.


Putin's impeachment will come by way of two taps to the back of the skull from a MP-443 Grach.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:05 pm    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/5LA4NHYdfOA
(Putin's threats and military escalation explained)

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has called for a partial military mobilization in Russia amid the ongoing war in Ukraine. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh reports.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:02 am    Post subject:

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jodeke wrote:
Russia has an impeachment policy in place. It's been used 3 times, all against Boris Yeltsin. All 3 failed. Putin may be next to be impeached. Can 4 be a charm?

I don't think Alexei Navalny will live to serve the 9-year sentence imposed on him. I'm actually surprised he's still alive. He's already been poisoned once.


Putin's impeachment will come by way of two taps to the back of the skull from a MP-443 Grach.


Maybe but it won't be easy. Isn't an MP-443 Grach a Russian army-issue pistol?

How Vladimir Putin Escaped Multiple Assassination Attempts

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:45 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Russia has an impeachment policy in place. It's been used 3 times, all against Boris Yeltsin. All 3 failed. Putin may be next to be impeached. Can 4 be a charm?

I don't think Alexei Navalny will live to serve the 9-year sentence imposed on him. I'm actually surprised he's still alive. He's already been poisoned once.


Putin's impeachment will come by way of two taps to the back of the skull from a MP-443 Grach.


Maybe but it won't be easy. Isn't an MP-443 Grach a Russian army-issue pistol?

How Vladimir Putin Escaped Multiple Assassination Attempts

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It won't be an assassination attempt, it'll be a coup. They'll need a division of soldiers to overcome his detail (including an anti-aircraft brigade to knock down his helicopter). If a couple of oligarchs can co-opt 3 generals (and avoid detection by the secret police), they can topple Putin in hours.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:01 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Russia has an impeachment policy in place. It's been used 3 times, all against Boris Yeltsin. All 3 failed. Putin may be next to be impeached. Can 4 be a charm?

I don't think Alexei Navalny will live to serve the 9-year sentence imposed on him. I'm actually surprised he's still alive. He's already been poisoned once.


Putin's impeachment will come by way of two taps to the back of the skull from a MP-443 Grach.


Maybe but it won't be easy. Isn't an MP-443 Grach a Russian army-issue pistol?

How Vladimir Putin Escaped Multiple Assassination Attempts

LINK


It won't be an assassination attempt, it'll be a coup. They'll need a division of soldiers to overcome his detail (including an anti-aircraft brigade to knock down his helicopter). If a couple of oligarchs can co-opt 3 generals (and avoid detection by the secret police), they can topple Putin in hours.


A coup also would not be easy. A coup was attempted and failed against Mikhail Gorbachev. Have to say, the way Putin is putting his foot in it makes a coup a possibility.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:03 am    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/fsZ9KKMn9s8
(Putin's 'unusual' habit with generals isn't typical for a modern military)

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CNN reporter Katie Bo Lillis breaks down Russian reactions to Putin’s choice to call up reserve troops to fight in Ukraine, and how Putin is dealing with an increasingly divided military amid Ukrainian advances.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:23 pm    Post subject:

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‘A guarantee of the country’s destruction’ Russian political scientists on Putin’s mobilization announcement

On the morning of September 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced what he referred to as a “partial mobilization.” Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu later reported that approximately 300,000 people will be conscripted. What exactly “partial mobilization” entails, how it will look in practice, and whether it will help Russia turn things around on the battlefield is anybody's guess, but it's undeniable that Russian society is in for some major changes. To get a better idea of what to expect, Meduza spoke to a number of leading Russian political scientists and sociologists.

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Margarita Zavadskaya
Political scientist


The scale of mobilization is the most tangible thing that will affect ordinary Russians and their immediate circles. It’s an apocalyptic event — a tragedy that will affect many.

It’s possible that 300,000 [the number of soldiers who will reportedly be mobilized] won’t be enough, and that as a result, we’ll have to deal not with a “partial mobilization” but with a creeping one, a mobilization that will stretch out through time. In that case, the danger would be to the lives of Russian citizens who aren’t prepared to fight (and there’s no guarantee they’ll be trained into competent fighters).

. . .

Denis Volkov
Sociologist, Director of the independent Levada Center


This is military logic, and it fits into their overall strategy for confronting the West: “If you don’t want to do things the easy way, we’ll do them the hard way.”

[Because the mobilization will affect at least 300,000 people and their families,] some change in society’s general opinion [of the war] is possible. But all of the authorities’ decisions are gradual; they’re all done half-heartedly. And that also gives people a chance to calm down, close their eyes to what’s happening, and shut it out — at least the people who aren’t affected directly.

In recent months, people have adapted — they say so themselves. “Nothing [about the war] has affected me, and thank God for that. Let’s leave the worrying to the people it actually affects.” The support [for the war] has largely been a function of people’s [personal] lack of participation in what the authorities are doing. That situation’s going to change, but the change will be gradual.

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Grigory Yudin
Sociologist, philosopher


Things aren’t going well at the front, he [Putin] was facing pressure from radicals, and he needed to make some kind of concession. [...]

[But military] mobilization outside the bounds of war implies some kind of political mobilization — that’s a prerequisite. In order for people to be willing to die, they need to be put in an existential situation; they need to be made part of a comprehensible, collective whole. And that’s a big problem for Putin — his is more of a police state than a totalitarian one.

And so the political mobilization never happened. Because Putin can no longer say, “Guys, for twenty years, we’ve had a deal: you take out your loans and go about your business, and I’ll stay out of your lives" [if he's also sending people to war]. This entire crackpot scheme is not so much a risk as an absolute guarantee that the country will be destroyed. Mobilization is one more step in that direction.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:26 pm    Post subject:

MSNBC
https://youtu.be/775a8GVTN7A
(Ukrainian Women Fighters In DC Asking For ‘Last Chance' Weapons: ‘Winter Is Coming’)

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Junior Sergeant Andriana Arekhta and Corporal & Combat Medic Yaryna Chornoguz, who are part of a delegation of women from the Ukrainian Armed Forces meeting with Pentagon officials and lawmakers this week in DC, join Andrea Mitchell to share what their experience has been like on the ground and what they need in order to continue their fight against Russian forces. “In case we would have more, you know, armored vehicles, we would have a smaller casualty rate among our soldiers,” says Chornoguz. “We ask for ground air defense system and aircraft, we ask for tanks and ask for fighter jets, because these weapons are the weapons of the last chance. The winter is coming and is coming,” says Arekhta.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:13 pm    Post subject:

MSNBC
https://youtu.be/BqvnWSW1-jo
(Fmr. Ambassador: Putin’s Nuclear Threats Are An Act Of 'Desperation’ | The Katie Phang Show)

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Vladimir Putin is calling up 300,000 more troops and making threats about nuclear weapons. Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor joins Katie Phang to discuss why Putin’s nuclear threats are an act of desperation.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:46 pm    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/1BT5nXDhtOo
(Macron: Russian resentment could be a reason Putin chose to invade Ukraine)

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During an exclusive one-on-one, French President Emmanuel Macron opens up to CNN’s Jake Tapper about his theory on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s mindset. Macron explains why he believes Russian resentment and isolation due to Covid-19 possibly played a role in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:52 am    Post subject:

Russian troops sold armored vehicle to Ukraine, governor says

https://english.nv.ua/nation/mykolayiv-governor-shares-video-of-sold-russian-afv-ukraine-news-50272031.html

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Mykolayiv governor Vitaliy Kim posted a video of a Tigr (Tiger) armored infantry fighting vehicle, which Russian troops in the region reportedly sold to Ukraine, in a Telegram post on Sept. 23.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:26 am    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/xDPdZwZhRrc
(Putin's order has Russian men lining up to flee country)

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Countries bordering Russia are reporting a stark uptick in border crossings as Russians' fears grow over Russian President Vladimir Putin's mobilization plan. CNN's Matthew Chance reports.


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CNN
https://youtu.be/yhJjeiGehkg
(‘Sham' referendums on joining Russia underway in occupied parts of Ukraine)

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Four Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine began voting in referendums on joining Russia, according to their separatist leaders, in a move that raises the stakes of Moscow’s invasion seven months after fighting began. The referendums, which are illegal under international law and dismissed as “a sham” by Western governments and Kyiv, could pave the way for Russian annexation of the areas, allowing Moscow to frame the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive as an attack on Russia itself.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:47 am    Post subject:

MSNBC
https://youtu.be/xDByoHOJbGs
(The Storm Clouds Are Rising For Vladimir Putin, Says Admiral James Stavridis)

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov addressed the Security Council on Thursday, just days after world leaders took subtle and not-so-subtle shots at Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Russians rush to leave the country amid Vladimir Putin's 'partial mobilization' call. Adm. James Stavridis and NBC News Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Andrea Mitchell weigh in.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:42 am    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/EETQdusxW_E
(See chief prosecutor on war crimes' warning to Russia)

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Chief prosecutor Karim Kahn of the International Criminal Courts warns Russian leaders and soldiers that no one can get away with a war crime, during his security briefing at the United Nations general assembly.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:47 am    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/ixpO9WMxoDQ
(Putin wants 300,000 reinforcements. Where will they go?)

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Ret. US Army Major Mike Lyons shows the latest Russian troops movement as their morale is reported to be plummeting.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:07 am    Post subject:

CBS News
https://youtu.be/EukrOSWk1TE
(Ukraine regains 3,700 square miles of territory from Russia)

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There has been growing international condemnation after Russia announced it would mobilize more reservist troops to fight in Ukraine. Errol Barnett took a look at the state of the war.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:43 am    Post subject:

IMO the invasion of Ukraine is like Vietnam, an unwinnable war.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:34 pm    Post subject:

CNN
https://youtu.be/PK2VIMZBOCY
('He's in trouble and he knows it': CNN analyst explains Putin's mindset)

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CNN reports on "sham" voting in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine and the throngs of Russians attempting to flee Putin's military mobilization. Former Director of National Intelligence and CNN National Security Analyst James Clapper weighs in.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:28 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
IMO the invasion of Ukraine is like Vietnam, an unwinnable war.


Putin already lost he just isn't facing the reality. When you have a populace drafted into the battlefield that has no desire to fight, you have soldiers that might surrender en masse or sabotage their own weapons to avoid fighting.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:02 pm    Post subject:

MSNBC
https://youtu.be/aQXhnmKoTB8
(Men Flee Russia To Avoid Being Drafted Into Putin's War On Ukraine)

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Alex Wagner reports on the exodus from Russia to escape Vladimir Putin's "mobilization" to boost troop levels in his invasion of Ukraine, while territories Putin hopes to annex conduct fake votes on becoming part of Russia.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:11 pm    Post subject:

The Economist
https://youtu.be/3nw5QJv7koo
(War in Ukraine: Putin's speech analysed)

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On September 21st Vladimir Putin announced the partial mobilisation of 300,000 Russian reservists to strengthen his forces in Ukraine and warned he would use all weapons at his disposal—chillingly warning, "this is not a bluff". Our experts discuss how far he’s willing to go.
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