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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:27 pm    Post subject:

Another reason why the Dodgers keep losing out on free agents. They don't understand what the client wants.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:38 pm    Post subject:

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Another reason why the Dodgers keep losing out on free agents. They don't understand what the client wants.


They definitely understand what the client wants. They just don't want to give the clients what they want...
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White Sox To Sign Mike Clevinger

MLB Network Jon Morosi (Twitter links) reports that Clevinger has signed a one-year deal worth over $8MM in guaranteed money.

Free agent starter Mike Clevinger is in agreement to join the White Sox pending a physical, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic.
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Dodgers: Radio Personality Believes LA Will Not Acquire a Big Name This Off-Season

The Dodgers are in on almost every big-name free agent this off-season. Names like Carlos Correa, Jacob deGrom, Aaron Judge, and Justin Verlander, to name a few.

This year's free agent class has plenty of what the Dodgers need to capture another World Series title, so people would assume they'll do everything in their power to sign one or more of these guys.

Los Angeles came off an underwhelming season, and timely batting and lack of arms were a big reason for their early playoff exit.

However, AM570 radio personality, Rodney Peete, believes that the Dodgers don't need to make a big signing this off-season.

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"When Stan Kasten comes out at talks to Bill Plaskey of the LA Times and basically says "You know maybe it's time for us to start looking at some of our younger players" If you read between the lines what they're in essence saying is that "we have a lot of money to spend and we've spent a lot of money but if we keep spending like this, we are going to be over the competitive balance, we're going to be over the tax.

And if we do, we're paying 50 cents at a dollar, we need to reset the tax." He didn't come out and say that but if you read between the lines it kind of seems like that's what he's saying."

"And what I'm saying is that because the Dodgers are in the conversation every year, they have built a franchise for sustained success. So they won a 111 games and didn't win in the playoff. That doesn't mean they can't win 92 games and win in the playoffs, you don't have to be in on everyone at every moment and sometimes no matter how much money you have, you have to construct a business properly."

"I would not be surprised to see James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers. There will be growing pains and on the other end, if these guys don't work out you pull the trigger on a deal. That doesn't mean they won't sign some smaller name, affordable free-agents."




Completely agree with Rodney Peete. Didn’t even know he follows baseball.
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Dodgers: Radio Personality Believes LA Will Not Acquire a Big Name This Off-Season

The Dodgers are in on almost every big-name free agent this off-season. Names like Carlos Correa, Jacob deGrom, Aaron Judge, and Justin Verlander, to name a few.

This year's free agent class has plenty of what the Dodgers need to capture another World Series title, so people would assume they'll do everything in their power to sign one or more of these guys.

Los Angeles came off an underwhelming season, and timely batting and lack of arms were a big reason for their early playoff exit.

However, AM570 radio personality, Rodney Peete, believes that the Dodgers don't need to make a big signing this off-season.

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"When Stan Kasten comes out at talks to Bill Plaskey of the LA Times and basically says "You know maybe it's time for us to start looking at some of our younger players" If you read between the lines what they're in essence saying is that "we have a lot of money to spend and we've spent a lot of money but if we keep spending like this, we are going to be over the competitive balance, we're going to be over the tax.

And if we do, we're paying 50 cents at a dollar, we need to reset the tax." He didn't come out and say that but if you read between the lines it kind of seems like that's what he's saying."

"And what I'm saying is that because the Dodgers are in the conversation every year, they have built a franchise for sustained success. So they won a 111 games and didn't win in the playoff. That doesn't mean they can't win 92 games and win in the playoffs, you don't have to be in on everyone at every moment and sometimes no matter how much money you have, you have to construct a business properly."

"I would not be surprised to see James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers. There will be growing pains and on the other end, if these guys don't work out you pull the trigger on a deal. That doesn't mean they won't sign some smaller name, affordable free-agents."




Completely agree with Rodney Peete. Didn’t even know he follows baseball.


He has a show with Fred Roggin. They talk about Dodgers baseball often. He was the one talking about how the criteria keeps changing for winning the Cy Young.
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
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Dodgers: Radio Personality Believes LA Will Not Acquire a Big Name This Off-Season

The Dodgers are in on almost every big-name free agent this off-season. Names like Carlos Correa, Jacob deGrom, Aaron Judge, and Justin Verlander, to name a few.

This year's free agent class has plenty of what the Dodgers need to capture another World Series title, so people would assume they'll do everything in their power to sign one or more of these guys.

Los Angeles came off an underwhelming season, and timely batting and lack of arms were a big reason for their early playoff exit.

However, AM570 radio personality, Rodney Peete, believes that the Dodgers don't need to make a big signing this off-season.

Quote:
"When Stan Kasten comes out at talks to Bill Plaskey of the LA Times and basically says "You know maybe it's time for us to start looking at some of our younger players" If you read between the lines what they're in essence saying is that "we have a lot of money to spend and we've spent a lot of money but if we keep spending like this, we are going to be over the competitive balance, we're going to be over the tax.

And if we do, we're paying 50 cents at a dollar, we need to reset the tax." He didn't come out and say that but if you read between the lines it kind of seems like that's what he's saying."

"And what I'm saying is that because the Dodgers are in the conversation every year, they have built a franchise for sustained success. So they won a 111 games and didn't win in the playoff. That doesn't mean they can't win 92 games and win in the playoffs, you don't have to be in on everyone at every moment and sometimes no matter how much money you have, you have to construct a business properly."

"I would not be surprised to see James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers. There will be growing pains and on the other end, if these guys don't work out you pull the trigger on a deal. That doesn't mean they won't sign some smaller name, affordable free-agents."




Completely agree with Rodney Peete. Didn’t even know he follows baseball.


He has a show with Fred Roggin. They talk about Dodgers baseball often. He was the one talking about how the criteria keeps changing for winning the Cy Young.


Yes, their show is on AM570, which is the Dodgers' flagship radio station.
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Dodgers: Radio Personality Believes LA Will Not Acquire a Big Name This Off-Season

The Dodgers are in on almost every big-name free agent this off-season. Names like Carlos Correa, Jacob deGrom, Aaron Judge, and Justin Verlander, to name a few.

This year's free agent class has plenty of what the Dodgers need to capture another World Series title, so people would assume they'll do everything in their power to sign one or more of these guys.

Los Angeles came off an underwhelming season, and timely batting and lack of arms were a big reason for their early playoff exit.

However, AM570 radio personality, Rodney Peete, believes that the Dodgers don't need to make a big signing this off-season.

Quote:
"When Stan Kasten comes out at talks to Bill Plaskey of the LA Times and basically says "You know maybe it's time for us to start looking at some of our younger players" If you read between the lines what they're in essence saying is that "we have a lot of money to spend and we've spent a lot of money but if we keep spending like this, we are going to be over the competitive balance, we're going to be over the tax.

And if we do, we're paying 50 cents at a dollar, we need to reset the tax." He didn't come out and say that but if you read between the lines it kind of seems like that's what he's saying."

"And what I'm saying is that because the Dodgers are in the conversation every year, they have built a franchise for sustained success. So they won a 111 games and didn't win in the playoff. That doesn't mean they can't win 92 games and win in the playoffs, you don't have to be in on everyone at every moment and sometimes no matter how much money you have, you have to construct a business properly."

"I would not be surprised to see James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers. There will be growing pains and on the other end, if these guys don't work out you pull the trigger on a deal. That doesn't mean they won't sign some smaller name, affordable free-agents."




Completely agree with Rodney Peete. Didn’t even know he follows baseball.


winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:19 pm    Post subject:

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winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.


Yup, and that’s the same thing Astros fans thought when they lost Gerrit Cole, correa, Springer and all their high priced free agents and replaced them with prospects from their farm:

Kyle Tucker
Framber Valdez
Christian Javier
Jeremy Pena
Jordan Alvarez

We just saw slim to none happen...
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winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.


Yup, and that’s the same thing Astros fans thought when they lost Gerrit Cole, correa, Springer and all their high priced free agents and replaced them with prospects from their farm:

Kyle Tucker
Framber Valdez
Christian Javier
Jeremy Pena
Jordan Alvarez

We just saw slim to none happen...


we'll see... not seeing those guys in our guys.
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Drifts wrote:
winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.


Yup, and that’s the same thing Astros fans thought when they lost Gerrit Cole, correa, Springer and all their high priced free agents and replaced them with prospects from their farm:

Kyle Tucker
Framber Valdez
Christian Javier
Jeremy Pena
Jordan Alvarez

We just saw slim to none happen...


we'll see... not seeing those guys in our guys.


Yup. It’s hard to predict. But we do have the no. 2 ranked farm in mlb.

We built up our farm for a reason. We protected all these prospects for a reason. At some point, we’re going to sink or swim with them. So at some point, we have to try and find out what we have in them.

The Astros reached the WS in 2021, lost the top FA SS in Correa. I think a 7+ WAR player. They replaced him with a prospect that was barely top 100 and he became MVP of the ALCS and WS in 2022.

I’m not saying our prospects can do that. I’m just saying sometimes, you don’t need the big sexy names/signings to accomplish your goals.

Cleveland is another good example. They got rid of all their big names: Kluber, Clevinger, Lindor, and whoever else and look what they’ve done in 2 years.

Leaning on your farm isn’t a death sentence is my point.
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Drifts wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
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winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.


Yup, and that’s the same thing Astros fans thought when they lost Gerrit Cole, correa, Springer and all their high priced free agents and replaced them with prospects from their farm:

Kyle Tucker
Framber Valdez
Christian Javier
Jeremy Pena
Jordan Alvarez

We just saw slim to none happen...


we'll see... not seeing those guys in our guys.


Yup. It’s hard to predict. But we do have the no. 2 ranked farm in mlb.

We built up our farm for a reason. We protected all these prospects for a reason. At some point, we’re going to sink or swim with them. So at some point, we have to try and find out what we have in them.

The Astros reached the WS in 2021, lost the top FA SS in Correa. I think a 7+ WAR player. They replaced him with a prospect that was barely top 100 and he became MVP of the ALCS and WS in 2022.

I’m not saying our prospects can do that. I’m just saying sometimes, you don’t need the big sexy names/signings to accomplish your goals.

Cleveland is another good example. They got rid of all their big names: Kluber, Clevinger, Lindor, and whoever else and look what they’ve done in 2 years.

Leaning on your farm isn’t a death sentence is my point.


it's not death sentence, but we have Mookie, Freeman signed under big deals... and surrounding them with farm players doesn't sound like a plan.
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Drifts wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Drifts wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Drifts wrote:
winning the playoffs with James Outman up there or Vargas up there or young pitchers.. is like winning the lottery. Odds of that happening are slim to none.

looks like Dodgers are gonna waste the primes of Mookie/Freeman... and they are not getting any younger.


Yup, and that’s the same thing Astros fans thought when they lost Gerrit Cole, correa, Springer and all their high priced free agents and replaced them with prospects from their farm:

Kyle Tucker
Framber Valdez
Christian Javier
Jeremy Pena
Jordan Alvarez

We just saw slim to none happen...


we'll see... not seeing those guys in our guys.


Yup. It’s hard to predict. But we do have the no. 2 ranked farm in mlb.

We built up our farm for a reason. We protected all these prospects for a reason. At some point, we’re going to sink or swim with them. So at some point, we have to try and find out what we have in them.

The Astros reached the WS in 2021, lost the top FA SS in Correa. I think a 7+ WAR player. They replaced him with a prospect that was barely top 100 and he became MVP of the ALCS and WS in 2022.

I’m not saying our prospects can do that. I’m just saying sometimes, you don’t need the big sexy names/signings to accomplish your goals.

Cleveland is another good example. They got rid of all their big names: Kluber, Clevinger, Lindor, and whoever else and look what they’ve done in 2 years.

Leaning on your farm isn’t a death sentence is my point.


it's not death sentence, but we have Mookie, Freeman signed under big deals... and surrounding them with farm players doesn't sound like a plan.


Every champion surrounds their high-paid free agents with homegrown players on pre-arb or early arb contracts. It's the only way to make payroll work.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:17 am    Post subject:

^ plus at most it’s only a temporary 1 yr plan to reset the tax then spend big next year on Ohtani and whoever else.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Not that it has any real direct impact on the Dodgers, aside from a potential World Series opponent, but Jose Abreu has agreed to sign with the Astros for 3 years.

Despite his age, he could prove to be a real solid addition to an already great team.
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Not that it has any real direct impact on the Dodgers, aside from a potential World Series opponent, but Jose Abreu has agreed to sign with the Astros for 3 years.

Despite his age, he could prove to be a real solid addition to an already great team.


Jose is a true pro. Hits for average and power, and walks a decent amount. Never takes a game off. Really nice pickup for the Astros.

They also upgraded from 84 OPS+ to 133 by moving on from Gurriel. Jose’s Savant page was blood red this year. If it wasn’t for the White Sox absolutely idiotic hitting coach and strategy, he’d of had a lot better counting numbers.
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Dodgers met with free-agent right-hander Justin Verlander over Zoom today, source confirms @JonHeyman’s report.

Of note: Verlander doesn’t have a QO offer attached to him, unlike some of the other free-agent starters.


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Thinking the Dodgers need to reset the CBT just to pursue Ohtani is crazy talk. If Ohtani wants to sign with LA, the Dodgers will sign him under most if not all circumstances. It's why a massive 2-year deal for Verlander makes a lot of sense over a 3-4 year deal for deGrom tho.


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The Astros have about $55M to spend before going over the tax threshold.

Verlander is going to get around $40M a year. I think he won’t be back in Houston. Mostly likely Dodgers, Yankees, or Mets.

Crane is looking to bring a few big bats to the lineup.



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#Mets are the clear favorite to bring back RHP Jacob deGrom. Can’t imagine a deal not getting done. #MLB


Imagine the Mets having Scherzer, deGrom and Verlander. $130M per year for all 3? $43M each per year?
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The Dodgers’ three-headed hitting coach is down to two heads, as the Marlins and new manager Skip Schumaker are hiring Brant Brown as their new hitting coach.


We need new blood anyways because this offense sputters every year in the playoffs
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Dodgers: Columnist Argues Team Needs To Be All-In During Mookie and Freddie’s Prime

There have been rumblings from the Dodgers — first from president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman, and then from CEO Stan Kasten — that L.A. might embark on somewhat of a youth movement in 2023. Los Angeles has consistently had one of the top farm systems in baseball along with a sustained record of excellence at the big-league level, and the thinking is they could let some of those young players get experience in the majors to set them up for the future, which would also allow them to get below the luxury tax in 2023 and reset the escalating penalties that come with being a repeat o-spender.

Los Angeles Times writer Dylan Hernandez was on AM570 last week making the case that now would be the wrong time to go with a youth movement.

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They’re on the other side of 30. the number of years you have with them playing like they are is diminishing. Maybe two more years of them playing at this level? Maybe this is the year you kind of push in. My guess is that they will probably wait until July to make these determinations. But there is a risk you strike out then. So I say you go for it now.”



Sounds like what some on here have been saying
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Dodgers Offseason: Reporter Feels LA Starting Rotation Is Really Good As-Is But With Question Marks

Right at this moment, the Dodgers have four pretty sure things for their 2023 starting rotation: Julio Urias, Clayton Kershaw, Tony Gonsolin, and Dustin May. After that, they have plenty of options, but nothing set in stone.

Ryan Pepiot, Michael Grove, and Andre Jackson are all starters who got some big-league action last year, so any of them could easily slot in as the fifth starter if necessary. Bobby Miller and Gavin Stone are two highly touted prospects who finished 2022 in Triple-A, so they’ll both presumably be ready for some MLB action at some point this season.

As Dodgers beat writer J.P. Hoornstra said on SportsNetLA last week, Los Angeles doesn’t necessarily need to add a starter this offseason.

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“I think if the Dodgers did nothing to shore up their rotation and they just went into the season with this as is, it would probably still be one of the better rotations in baseball,” Hoornstra said. “But when I look at, when you get down to number four — let’s say that’s Dustin May, he’s your number four starter. He did not pitch a full season in 2022. There are some question marks as to how much work he can absorb in 2023. As good as he is, that is a question mark.

“And then you’re starting to get into the very young pitchers. Into the Ryan Pepiots, the Michael Groves, maybe the Bobby Millers at some point in 2023. And these guys have yet to prove themselves at the big league level. For all their potential, again, there are some question marks.

“There really isn’t that back of the rotation, steady innings-eating type veteran that they had in Tyler Anderson. I think that’s what I would like them to go see them go and get this offseason.”


Hoornstra is probably right about L.A.’s needs, or lack thereof. Even with their roster’s current holes, the first projections have them winning 91 games next year. Los Angeles could focus on center field and shortstop to bump that number up and probably cruise into the postseason without addressing the pitching.

But as Hoornstra notes, there are a lot of question marks, and it’s easy to picture extended stretches with Pepiot and Grove and Jackson in the rotation together next year, and they’re probably not quite ready to commit quite that drastically to a youth movement. Whether they add a back-end innings eater or a frontline starter, it’s the stability that might make the biggest difference in the 2023 regular season.


From 111 wins to 91....

Going to be hard to hold off SD with 91 wins.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:17 pm    Post subject:

I’d be shocked if we’re that low. We didn’t lose 20 war worth of players, and guys like May will get better.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:27 pm    Post subject:

I realize that Steve Cohen prints money, but I'd still be shocked if the Mets signed both deGrom and Verlander. We absolutely make sense for Verlander (I don't think it's a secret that he and his wife like L.A.), but I question whether we would give him a 3-year deal. If he really wanted to play here enough, maybe he'd take two guaranteed years, but I think he can get three on the open market if he wants it.
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ChickenStu wrote:
I realize that Steve Cohen prints money, but I'd still be shocked if the Mets signed both deGrom and Verlander. We absolutely make sense for Verlander (I don't think it's a secret that he and his wife like L.A.), but I question whether we would give him a 3-year deal. If he really wanted to play here enough, maybe he'd take two guaranteed years, but I think he can get three on the open market if he wants it.


Between DeGrom and Verlander....I would pay DeGrom the extra year or two and the draft picks. With DeGrom on the mound for game 1, i would get the same feeling as if Koufax, Schilling, Bumgarner and Valenzuela were pitching in a big game. Verlander has the stuff but he is no DeGrom in the playoffs. I feel with DeGrom we will get that one Orel Hershiser 1988 year - at least in the postseason where he will carry us to a title
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:18 pm    Post subject:

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deGrom has really had trouble staying healthy and might be a ticking time bomb from that perspective. He's the best pitcher in the game when healthy, but the prospect of giving him 4 or 5 years scares the bejeezus out of me. I'd let someone else take that risk. Verlander got the TJ surgery out of the way, got his velocity back, and hasn't had the same durability issues. While I don't want to give him 3 years, I'd much rather have him for 2 years instead of deGrom for 4 or 5. deGrom for 3 years would be really interesting to me and worth the gamble, but you have to be prudent at some point, and that's where I'd draw the line. I'm assuming some team is going to take the gamble, likely the Mets because they'll feel desperate enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2022 5:48 pm    Post subject:

Anyone excited for the Shelby Miller acquisition????? All I remember of this guy is he was the starting pitcher for the Cardinals during the Matt Adams game of 2014 and he was a tremendous bust after being traded away from the Cardinals to the Diamondbacks
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1995Lakers wrote:
Anyone excited for the Shelby Miller acquisition????? All I remember of this guy is he was the starting pitcher for the Cardinals during the Matt Adams game of 2014 and he was a tremendous bust after being traded away from the Cardinals to the Diamondbacks


He has some gaudy K numbers from last year, mostly in the minors, but it's hard to get excited about him given his overall body of work. Still, as a reliever, maybe he'll be another find for us, who knows.

I did find it interesting that JP Morosi, on an appearance on MLB Network earlier today, thinks Verlander's most likely landing spot is with the Dodgers.
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