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PDX_LAKERFAN
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| So Kobe was told that we would be able to sign Gasol back again despite his ridiculous contract. This is what happens when you give morons a lot of money to spend. |
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Koalita
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My 0.02
Do the front office intend to resign Pau and another impact player with ~$20 million? That would probably mean Pau would take between 8-12 and the other player taking the rest. That is without stretching Nash's contract, which would 'free' around 6 more million, but with a bad reputation hit for the brand... Not sure that will happen. But certainly, a 12 million salary is probably not what Carmelo would sign for. Some other impact players? Maybe someone is willing to team up with Kobe, Gasol and Nash for 8-12 million dollars, and we can have a last run...
Then, next year, we'd have Nash's contract coming off the books and (if they resign Pau to a 1 year deal) Pau's one too, to pursue whoever is avaible (Love for 17-21 million sound feasible).
Our roster would look like this: Kobe, Pau, 8-12 million FA, Nash, #8 Pick, Nick Young, Farmar*, Xavier Henry*, Wes Johnson*, Robert Sacre, Kendall Marshall and a 2nd rounder or undrafted player to fill the roster. No Hill, no Blake, no Kaman, no Meeks...
I really wish Kobe took 4-5 million less... would make assemblying a competitive roster much easier. If FO told Kobe: we can sign a decent FA and Pau, but our depth would be bad, maybe Kobe would have thought about taking that paycut to strenghten our bench. Having a Hill, a Blake or a Meeks can prove quite valuable if your aim is to go for the Championship
Number crunching, if interested:
| Quote: | | Confirming @ESPNSteinLine tweet — league’s projected cap/tax for 2013-14 is currently $58.5M & $71.6M. For 2014-15 it’s $62.1M & $75.7M. |
So, we have $35,344,228 on the books, plus team option for Kendall Marshall for $915,243, placing us in $36,259,471 with 5 players, needing at least 12 bodies when the season begins. 7 players to be signed with around $25,840,529. If we sign 5 players to minimum contracts about 1 million each, there's around 20 million to be spent on 2 max impact players.
Draft pick goes between $4,592,200 from #1, and ~1.6 Million for ~14. If we pick @ #5, we'd have ~3Million commited. To fill the roster, if we do it with Xavier Henry and Wes Johnsons' minimum it's $948,163 each, plus Farmar's min would be $1,145,685. That'd add up 39,301,482 for 8 players, plus our 1st round draft pick (we don't have a 2nd rounder). Mock draft have us #8, which would be $2,288,200, and if we get a 2nd rounder or sign an undrafted player to a $507,336 minimum contract, it'd add up to $42,097,018, which adds quite roundly to the ~20Million predicted. |
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angrypuppy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Really Kobe? I'm sure you can do the math. |
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JayLida
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Do any of you actually know the Lakers plan? So much speculation with no basis for it other then so called sources. Give it a break. Let the chips fall first before you assume and assume jeez!
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ComputerBlue
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Ohh dear God.
Now I can see why so many have warned us about getting stuck in the tanker mentality.
It is not so much of a stretch to see us in the Lottery again next year... and without a pick. Very tough road ahead for the Lakers.
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Bard207
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | Really Kobe? I'm sure you can do the math. |
I don't know where Pelinka was when the FO was telling Kobe this.
Cranking out 8 - 10 different team salary scenarios is easy to do in Excel and Pelinka surely could afford to hire somebody to do the modeling if he couldn't do it himself.
The alternative scenario
Kobe really does know how the salary numbers work and is shifting responsibility to the FO because he knows that they aren't going to get into a public dispute with him. |
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K0BEE 2.0
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| You gotta appreciate Kobe, he still has that respect for Pau and I know why it would be tough for him to see Pau traded.... they accomplished a lot in these last few years.... but at this point all good things come to an end.... we need to think about the future of this franchise. |
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Chick-N-Stew
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| saacman5033 wrote: | | Kobe says he wants Gasol, but the size of the contract he signed says otherwise. Still, a nice thing for Kobe to say |
This.
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LoyalLakerfan44
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| ComputerBlue wrote: | Ohh dear God.
Now I can see why so many have warned us about getting stuck in the tanker mentality.
It is not so much of a stretch to see us in the Lottery again next year... and without a pick. Very tough road ahead for the Lakers. |
Yeaup, once inside the tank always in the tank. Tank lovers are going to enjoy this ride for a few years. It's a real sad situation that Dr. Buss left his team in. He never thought carefully about the future after his passing. |
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Koalita
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Well, it is not completely impossible for the Lakers to get another chip with Kobe, Pau, etc...
But for that to happen, we'd need to resign Gasol cheap, have Nash play at 70%+, sign a good impact free agent for cheap, sign/resign some decent complementary players, get a contributing draft player, have luck with injuries...
A lot needs to happen. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| kobe says what he needs to |
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Who Takes The Blame
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| With all that money Pau is making i don't think hes gonna stay any longer |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | Koalita wrote: | | It looks like Kobe trusted the FO, let's see if the FO are doing their job well enough. |
another lie by jim buss. he knows darn well he has to get rid of pau do to the repeaters tax.....kobe will keep him to his truth....this wont end well if he doesn't keep his promise. |
This won't end well if he keeps his promise. If story is true, Kobe is delusional on several levels. First, that he can win by commanding money like he's still the best in the league, he is basically saying I DON'T NEED 2 SUPERSTARS coming here. Lastly, he's also deluded about Pau Gasol's abilities, although this one is more understanding than his last delusion for another Euro player. Anybody remember Slava Medvedenko, and how he was going to take him away with him in 2007? LOL! |
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foshowtime
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe will unknowingly drive this franchise into the ground! |
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ch3cky0selff00
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| JayLida wrote: | | Do any of you actually know the Lakers plan? So much speculation with no basis for it other then so called sources. Give it a break. Let the chips fall first before you assume and assume jeez! |
Lol. Everybody here knows everything. They always run into these individuals at some random diner or Whole Foods who just so happens to be talking about confidential NBA business out loud.
I've never understood the logic here with people. They complain about this "Chaz" guy who has been reported to be just as knowledgeable and engaged as any other scout in the NBA.. YET they go on to tell everyone who the Lakers SHOULD draft as if they're more qualified because they have access to draftexpress, twitter, and youtube or because they play in a local YMCA basketball league where they were named MVP 5 years in a row. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe missed the memo, Lakers are done, need to rebullid... |
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16_and_Counting
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Gasol needs to go, his defense is beyond atrocious. Lakers also can't afford to pay him. They should trade him while they can still get something. |
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leor_77
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Just shut up, Kobe. You shouldn't have taken nearly half of our cap space if you really wanted Pau back. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | JayLida wrote: | | Do any of you actually know the Lakers plan? So much speculation with no basis for it other then so called sources. Give it a break. Let the chips fall first before you assume and assume jeez! |
Lol. Everybody here knows everything. They always run into these individuals at some random diner or Whole Foods who just so happens to be talking about confidential NBA business out loud.
I've never understood the logic here with people. They complain about this "Chaz" guy who has been reported to be just as knowledgeable and engaged as any other scout in the NBA.. YET they go on to tell everyone who the Lakers SHOULD draft as if they're more qualified because they have access to draftexpress, twitter, and youtube or because they play in a local YMCA basketball league where they were named MVP 5 years in a row. |
I've actually only won 5 of 6. I was robbed in 2012. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| KBH wrote: | | ch3cky0selff00 wrote: | | JayLida wrote: | | Do any of you actually know the Lakers plan? So much speculation with no basis for it other then so called sources. Give it a break. Let the chips fall first before you assume and assume jeez! |
Lol. Everybody here knows everything. They always run into these individuals at some random diner or Whole Foods who just so happens to be talking about confidential NBA business out loud.
I've never understood the logic here with people. They complain about this "Chaz" guy who has been reported to be just as knowledgeable and engaged as any other scout in the NBA.. YET they go on to tell everyone who the Lakers SHOULD draft as if they're more qualified because they have access to draftexpress, twitter, and youtube or because they play in a local YMCA basketball league where they were named MVP 5 years in a row. |
I've actually only won 5 of 6. I was robbed in 2012. |
lol what are you talking about
you were injured half that year. you didn't deserve it
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like Jim, Mitch and Kobe are in the dark and the geniuses of LG know everything |
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LakerCity
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | Just shut up, Kobe. You shouldn't have taken nearly half of our cap space if you really wanted Pau back. |
tell Kobe to shut up in real life though? |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe is a funny guy. That is why he is not GM. |
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"Kupchak said that bringing the Lakers' $79.3 million payroll under the $71.7 million luxury-tax level through trades is not a major concern, even with the repeater tax under the new collective bargaining agreement, which penalizes teams with more punitive fees unless they get under the luxury tax twice every four years."It's going to be very difficult for us to be a repeater in the next two years just by virtue of all the free agents we have," said Kupchak, noting that only three of L.A.'s 15 players are under contract for next season. "And then even if you're in the repeater tax, if you're in the repeater tax by $30 million, you get killed. If you're in the repeater tax by a $1.5 million or $2 [million], then it's really inconsequential.""
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=10454601
Lakers can still sign 1 max player, but what ones will realistically be available?
Lebron - no
Melo - no
Which available center will be better than Pau? The question is which PF would be able to cover for Pau on defense. Randolph/Love-type PF might be good.
Lakers' need is HEALTH and a closer.
PG
With Nash, Blake, Farmar and Marshall - they are in good shape
SG
With Kobe, Young, Henry and Meeks - they are ok
SF
With Johnson (with Kobe, Young and Henry able to play SG/SF) - they are OK
PF
With Williams, Hill and Kelly (with Johnson able to play this position) - they are average and need an upgrade
C
With Pau and Kaman - they are stronger than PF but limited. Sacre is a very good . . . . . . . . 3rd string C.
Note: If Pau is willing to take around 10M, they will still be able to get a max player
The "silver lining" is that it could be easier to sign many of these players because of the injuries and they know that MDA's system works for them |
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""When Bryant's extension was announced, Bryant made it crystal clear he'd been told by Lakers management that not only would the team be able to re-sign Gasol this summer despite Bryant's huge numbers, but also be able to add an impact free agent," Aldridge noted. "
so this incompetent FO had to make concessions for Kobe to accept the max contract??? 
Like Mitch said, we have certainly dug a deep hole |
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