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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:56 pm    Post subject:

we shouldnt have let blake go:

http://www.killercrossovers.com/nba/steve-blake-crosses-passes.html
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kobedagoat wrote:
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This is the same Jerry West that drafted Kobe Bryant out of High School, right?


Yes. The same Kobe who had Jerry West saying he was the greatest prospect he's ever seen.

I find it ironic why people questioned Jerry West's sharp eyes and best pick of his career with Kobe.

Is he not in the business of evaluating current pool of talents?

Do you not think he has had the best compilations of those supposedly first rounds or sleepers?

Not long ago, I said I would trade #1 for Love. (before I even read what West said about the drafts).

I just don't think there are sure cases of KG Hakeem Lebron or Kobe in this class. They are just potentials.

I hope when, though, our pick will pan out. Jerry West is wrong. And so am I.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:33 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
This is the same Jerry West that drafted Kobe Bryant out of High School, right?


Jerry is exactly right.

“But if you look at some of these kids. It takes about 3 years to really get going. For a team that’s struggling, you’re telling your fans that this player is gonna make us better and most fo the time it doesn’t happen today.”

^what he said holds true. We had a stacked team that won 50+ games a season before and just signed Shaq in 96. Jerry wasn't thinking that Kobe's impact to the game was going to be significant until years later (which also held true). Everyone is banking on these prospects that are not necessarily living up to LBJ/KD's expectations...based on what we've been seeing. I see no hypocrisy. Just reality. A 36+ year old Kobe will not win with a "Melo" and a "franchise rookie."
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject:

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I'm using Wiggins as an example among the projected top ten. Is Wiggins' dad Alan? If so, thanks for the information. I don't think any of the other top projected picks have have the NBA exposure Kobe did. Point to Jerry West.

Yes, Kobe was ready to contribute right away. I saw it. Do you remember? He was hitting 3's--and your come back with the Utah playoffs does not negate his regular season contributions--and scoring in the paint at a high percentage. Del Harris kept Kobe off the court at the instruction of Jerry West. Again, another savvy move, for the sake of his development. The Lakers had the luxury to keep his development steady with Eddie Jones starting.


I absolutely remember Kobe as a rookie, and he wasn't ready to contribute right away, which is why he was left on the bench on the instruction of Jerry West. He was wild, and wildly talented. In fact, Jerry West's comments here are perfectly aligned with the handling of Kobe. Great raw talent that wasn't ready for the big time yet. It seems a little hypocritical to me that West's best draft pick is exactly the kind of guy that he described here.

Furthermore, who are these guys that are asked to "change the franchise", really? There was no one that had those expectations in last years draft. The year before, the only one was Anthony Davis, who's progressing quite nicely. I can't think of another guy that's had serious expectations on them. Rebuilds in the NBA take several years and most teams & fan bases know that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject:

Janggoon8 wrote:
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This is the same Jerry West that drafted Kobe Bryant out of High School, right?


Jerry is exactly right.

“But if you look at some of these kids. It takes about 3 years to really get going. For a team that’s struggling, you’re telling your fans that this player is gonna make us better and most fo the time it doesn’t happen today.”

^what he said holds true. We had a stacked team that won 50+ games a season before and just signed Shaq in 96. Jerry wasn't thinking that Kobe's impact to the game was going to be significant until years later (which also held true). Everyone is banking on these prospects that are not necessarily living up to LBJ/KD's expectations...based on what we've been seeing. I see no hypocrisy. Just reality. A 36+ year old Kobe will not win with a "Melo" and a "franchise rookie."


Of course it takes several years for these kids to get going. Outside of Anthony Davis...who exactly is carrying the burden of their franchise and fan bases expectations? Are we to believe that Orlando fans expected Victor Oladipo to be great and lead the Magic to the promised land right away?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject:

Stern gets credit for expansion of the league which actually has hurt the overall talent pool, there are so many poor teams and players playing past their primes that the owners and Stern had to pass a CBA to protect themselves from themselves. Who wants to watch teams without a chance at being respectable.

Watching this years Lakers team is painful, because no matter how many 3's they make, it does not matter because they cannot stop teams from scoring inside, a team of guards shooting the ball is not NBA basketball the way it was meant to be played.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject:

I respect Jerry West. And I know that many of the players in this draft may not be as great as projected. That aside, I still disagree that this is a "poor" draft. Perhaps "slightly overrated".
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:03 pm    Post subject:

moonriver24 wrote:
kobedagoat wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
This is the same Jerry West that drafted Kobe Bryant out of High School, right?


Yes. The same Kobe who had Jerry West saying he was the greatest prospect he's ever seen.

I find it ironic why people questioned Jerry West's sharp eyes and best pick of his career with Kobe.

Is he not in the business of evaluating current pool of talents?

Do you not think he has had the best compilations of those supposedly first rounds or sleepers?

Not long ago, I said I would trade #1 for Love. (before I even read what West said about the drafts).

I just don't think there are sure cases of KG Hakeem Lebron or Kobe in this class. They


Let's not be too quick to give Jerry all the credit. Kobe picked the Lakers not the other way around. Kobe essentially forced his way to LA.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:08 pm    Post subject:

Janggoon8 wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
This is the same Jerry West that drafted Kobe Bryant out of High School, right?


Jerry is exactly right.

“But if you look at some of these kids. It takes about 3 years to really get going. For a team that’s struggling, you’re telling your fans that this player is gonna make us better and most fo the time it doesn’t happen today.”

^what he said holds true. We had a stacked team that won 50+ games a season before and just signed Shaq in 96. Jerry wasn't thinking that Kobe's impact to the game was going to be significant until years later (which also held true). Everyone is banking on these prospects that are not necessarily living up to LBJ/KD's expectations...based on what we've been seeing. I see no hypocrisy. Just reality. A 36+ year old Kobe will not win with a "Melo" Jand a "franchise rookie."


Good accurate post of what JW is talking about.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Logo has gone senile apparently, this is by far the best draft class in the past 11 years but since his team has no chance at landing a lotto pick in the '14 draft Jerry has on haterade glasses or has plain lost his ability to recognize talent.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject:

As we all know, even among brilliant people, perspicacity is not permanent.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Those who think Melo + 1st + Kobe and role players is enough are in for a surprise.

Jerry West is right about the rookies...even Kobe was too wild and raw, he needed to develop some...the only thing that has stayed the same fron beginning to now is his desire to be the best player ever, and that's been a privilege to see.

Melo would rather look good and get paid, than win. With all the coddling, he's got a bit of Dwight in him. Not entirely his fault.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject:

I think there will be multiple All-Stars in this draft. I wouldn't count that as a poor one.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject:

I think what Jerry is saying is that while there are guys who can handle the NBA out of high school, they are the exception, and the same holds true of college players in terms of readiness to play. The league would be better served if players came out after 3-4 college years (or minor league). He's not saying there isn't talent in this draft. He's saying all of it is too green for his tastes.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject:

West drafted Kobe as a "luxury" not a need. He had Eddie Jones as a starter, and he had signed this new center called Shaq.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:04 pm    Post subject:

I think Parker can give you 18ppg next season. Randal could chip in 15/10 on a low percentage next year, and Marcus smart can win some games for you as long as he's playing pg. I don't see him being more than a career bench layer at any other position.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject:

24 wrote:
I think what Jerry is saying is that while there are guys who can handle the NBA out of high school, they are the exception, and the same holds true of college players in terms of readiness to play. The league would be better served if players came out after 3-4 college years (or minor league). He's not saying there isn't talent in this draft. He's saying all of it is too green for his tastes.


That has been the case with drafts for almost 20 years now. By this logic, there haven't been many good drafts since the mid-90s.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:26 pm    Post subject:

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West drafted Kobe as a "luxury" not a need. He had Eddie Jones as a starter, and he had signed this new center called Shaq.


He signed Shaq months after Kobe got drafted.

Elden Campbell would be the center otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Personally, I don't think the league's watered down at all. Quite the opposite, actually. This is the slowest rate of expansion in the history of the NBA (1 team in the last 17 years), and in that period of time we've seen the greatest expansion in the talent pool in the history of the NBA, with the increased popularity of the international game. IMO, this is the best the league has ever been.


Without a doubt the players today are far more athletic. In addition to your good point regarding "internationalization", better nutrition, far more comprehensive training, and medical science make it that way. Just a few mostly random examples...in the Lakers Showtime era, you could find plenty of good HS teams without a single kid who could dunk. Now, you can pluck the halls of those same HS's finding kids not even good enough to make the team who can dunk. Another...10 years into the NBA 3 point era in 1989, the league average was 7 shots per game at a 32% rate. By a few years ago in 2012, this number had almost tripled to 20 and at a higher rate of 36%. So despite what some say, pure shooting is better also.

I think what West was at least partially alluding to though was the lack of good fundamentals (outside of individual offense) in the NBA such as passing and individual defensive skills to give 2 examples. Between the younger age of the players, the lack of multiple post HS years to develop, and the distorted AAU focus on individual-based offense, the level of overall NBA quality of play has suffered.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
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I'm using Wiggins as an example among the projected top ten. Is Wiggins' dad Alan? If so, thanks for the information. I don't think any of the other top projected picks have have the NBA exposure Kobe did. Point to Jerry West.

Yes, Kobe was ready to contribute right away. I saw it. Do you remember? He was hitting 3's--and your come back with the Utah playoffs does not negate his regular season contributions--and scoring in the paint at a high percentage. Del Harris kept Kobe off the court at the instruction of Jerry West. Again, another savvy move, for the sake of his development. The Lakers had the luxury to keep his development steady with Eddie Jones starting.


I absolutely remember Kobe as a rookie, and he wasn't ready to contribute right away, which is why he was left on the bench on the instruction of Jerry West. He was wild, and wildly talented. In fact, Jerry West's comments here are perfectly aligned with the handling of Kobe. Great raw talent that wasn't ready for the big time yet. It seems a little hypocritical to me that West's best draft pick is exactly the kind of guy that he described here.

Furthermore, who are these guys that are asked to "change the franchise", really? There was no one that had those expectations in last years draft. The year before, the only one was Anthony Davis, who's progressing quite nicely. I can't think of another guy that's had serious expectations on them. Rebuilds in the NBA take several years and most teams & fan bases know that.
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Throat, you're getting caught up in West's 3 to 4 years in school part of his statement. He also said that this class is not as tutored, mature and experienced so as to make an impact on a team.

Is he really not following through on those assets when you look at his draft of Kobe? Bryant, even though 17 and not having 3-4 years of college was mature, experienced and tutored enough to make an impact. Eddie Jones bought him some time to integrate into a system. But at 19 years old this kid was starting and most definitely making an impact. Look at West's broader statement.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject:

Basketball has changed.
Before, you had players playing both ends.
Now, it's mostly big offensive players and defense specialists
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject:

Jerry West is a basketball genius and is putting the cogs in motion. He is discounting this draft class so he can trade Iggy for a draft pick.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject:

In light of the new info coming out that Jerry West would've drafted Sidney Moncrief over Magic, maybe his crystal ball isn't as reliable as we thought.

The fact is, picking future HOF'ers out of a draft class is a crap shoot. There are no sure things, and there are always those who will surprise you.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:13 am    Post subject:

ElginBaylor wrote:
In light of the new info coming out that Jerry West would've drafted Sidney Moncrief over Magic, maybe his crystal ball isn't as reliable as we thought.

The fact is, picking future HOF'ers out of a draft class is a crap shoot. There are no sure things, and there are always those who will surprise you.


Can't fault the guy.

Moncrief played both ends.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject:

Druggas wrote:
West drafted Kobe as a "luxury" not a need. He had Eddie Jones as a starter, and he had signed this new center called Shaq.


Actually, mr "Laker Historian", we got Shaq AFTER we got Kobe.
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