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| ChefLinda wrote: | The 6 right-wingers on the Supreme Court are full-on violence supporting Christo-fascists. Everyone should just walk around with guns, bullying and intimidating others. Except don't do it near THEIR HOMES because they get special round the clock security. The rest of us should just go back to the wild-west when people solved disagreements with guns. No abortion rights for women, no civil rights for black people, pretty soon no marriage rights for LGTBQ people, no protecting children in their schools, or shoppers at the mall. But if you're a white Christian male you get to do whatever you want and inflict your dogma on everyone else whether they like it or not.
The majority of this country is in favor of sane gun safety laws (including gun owners)
The majority of this country want to keep Roe v Wade (including Republicans)
The majority of this country does not want right-wing Christianity jammed downed their throats via the law.
But the right wing Supreme Court and all of these horrible decisions that will result in more death is brought to you by 2016 voters who sat home, or voted for Jill Stein, or "took a chance" on Trump because they just couldn't vote for the accomplished email lady (misogyny), and Trump cultists who were just full-on white racists, or rich white Republicans who only care about tax cuts, and Mitch McConnell who stole a Supreme Court seat from Obama -- THIS IS ON YOU. Every single bit of it. The blood is on your hands.
And right-wing trolls have the nerve to wonder why we're so angry??? Really??? |
So why exactly do we NOT have guns available in bars? Thought it could not be infringed?
What about in court rooms?
In government?
We all have laws that say that for specific government locations, we cannot have them. How do they do the demarcation of what's infringement and what's not?
Horrible. |
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| tlim wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | The 6 right-wingers on the Supreme Court are full-on violence supporting Christo-fascists. Everyone should just walk around with guns, bullying and intimidating others. Except don't do it near THEIR HOMES because they get special round the clock security. The rest of us should just go back to the wild-west when people solved disagreements with guns. No abortion rights for women, no civil rights for black people, pretty soon no marriage rights for LGTBQ people, no protecting children in their schools, or shoppers at the mall. But if you're a white Christian male you get to do whatever you want and inflict your dogma on everyone else whether they like it or not.
The majority of this country is in favor of sane gun safety laws (including gun owners)
The majority of this country want to keep Roe v Wade (including Republicans)
The majority of this country does not want right-wing Christianity jammed downed their throats via the law.
But the right wing Supreme Court and all of these horrible decisions that will result in more death is brought to you by 2016 voters who sat home, or voted for Jill Stein, or "took a chance" on Trump because they just couldn't vote for the accomplished email lady (misogyny), and Trump cultists who were just full-on white racists, or rich white Republicans who only care about tax cuts, and Mitch McConnell who stole a Supreme Court seat from Obama -- THIS IS ON YOU. Every single bit of it. The blood is on your hands.
And right-wing trolls have the nerve to wonder why we're so angry??? Really??? |
So why exactly do we NOT have guns available in bars? Thought it could not be infringed?
What about in court rooms?
In government?
We all have laws that say that for specific government locations, we cannot have them. How do they do the demarcation of what's infringement and what's not?
Horrible. |
It means the states will have to come up with various new laws to put limits on open carry/concealed carry, then there will be more lawsuits, then it will go to the Supreme Court again. |
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| But the two places you definitely can't have a gun is at the Supreme Court or in front of a Supreme Court Justice's house. |
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Teaser before the break:
| Quote: | No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
NEW: Liz Cheney just said they will identify some of the Republican Congressmen who asked Trump for pardons at the end of this January 6 committee hearing.
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I guess Merrick Garland is watching the hearings after all. This is the guy Trump wanted to elevate to AG so he could put out a letter saying election was tainted then Trump and his GOP lackeys would take care of the rest.
Washington Post: Home of Jeffrey Clark, Trump DOJ official, searched by federal agents
| Quote: | Federal agents conducted a search Wednesday at the home of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who played a key role in President Donald Trump’s efforts to get law enforcement officials to challenge Joe Biden’s election victory.
The search was confirmed by Clark’s current employer, who said in a written message that agents led a pajama-clad Clark out of his house in suburban Virginia in the early morning and “took his electronic devices.”
Asked whether federal authorities were at the home in Lorton on Wednesday, around the same time that federal agents were delivering subpoenas and taking other investigative steps around the country, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. confirmed that “there was law enforcement activity in that general area yesterday.”
“We have no comment regarding the nature of that activity, or any particular individuals,” the spokesman said. |
(They also started serving and searching local GOP participants in the fake elector scam yesterday.) |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | I guess Merrick Garland is watching the hearings after all. This is the guy Trump wanted to elevate to AG so he could put out a letter saying election was tainted then Trump and his GOP lackeys would take care of the rest.
Washington Post: Home of Jeffrey Clark, Trump DOJ official, searched by federal agents
| Quote: | Federal agents conducted a search Wednesday at the home of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who played a key role in President Donald Trump’s efforts to get law enforcement officials to challenge Joe Biden’s election victory.
The search was confirmed by Clark’s current employer, who said in a written message that agents led a pajama-clad Clark out of his house in suburban Virginia in the early morning and “took his electronic devices.”
Asked whether federal authorities were at the home in Lorton on Wednesday, around the same time that federal agents were delivering subpoenas and taking other investigative steps around the country, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. confirmed that “there was law enforcement activity in that general area yesterday.”
“We have no comment regarding the nature of that activity, or any particular individuals,” the spokesman said. |
(They also started serving and searching local GOP participants in the fake elector scam yesterday.) |
The timing of these is not coincidence. Part of this is show and tell so the DOJ can act on “timely” matters.
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gaetz and meadows should be in jail
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House GOP members who asked for presidential pardons:
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Perry.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | House GOP members who asked for presidential pardons:
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Brooks. |
And in a plot twist, Mo Brooks recently agreed to talk to the Jan. 6th committee. After Trump threw him under the bus, he lost his primary so he will be out of Congress at the end of this term. Stay tuned for the next episode. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | House GOP members who asked for presidential pardons:
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Brooks. |
Did you mean Scott Perry?
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All the evidence and testimony (by mostly Republicans that Trump appointed) points directly to Donald Trump giving all the illegal orders. They tell him "X is illegal" and he turns around and says "do X." They personally debunk every single conspiracy step by step to his face. And he turns around and keeps spreading the conspiracy theories. They tell him there is no fraud and he tells them to just "say" there was fraud and he and House Republicans will take it from there. His aides tell him the crowd is chanting, "Hang Mike Pence!" so he goes out and tweets about how Mike Pence is betraying them, then says out loud that the crowd has a point.
How many smoking guns do we need?
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| 32 wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | House GOP members who asked for presidential pardons:
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Brooks. |
Did you mean Scott Perry? |
Oooops, yeah. Scott Perry. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | House GOP members who asked for presidential pardons:
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Louie Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Brooks. |
And in a plot twist, Mo Brooks recently agreed to talk to the Jan. 6th committee. After Trump threw him under the bus, he lost his primary so he will be out of Congress at the end of this term. Stay tuned for the next episode. |
This makes me twist and shout  
At least we aren't Russia yet. If we were Mo would already be no more after saying he will talk to the committee
Can he lie to the committee and it only look worse once he talks to the Feds or are any of these talks under oath? |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | I guess Merrick Garland is watching the hearings after all. This is the guy Trump wanted to elevate to AG so he could put out a letter saying election was tainted then Trump and his GOP lackeys would take care of the rest.
Washington Post: Home of Jeffrey Clark, Trump DOJ official, searched by federal agents
| Quote: | Federal agents conducted a search Wednesday at the home of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who played a key role in President Donald Trump’s efforts to get law enforcement officials to challenge Joe Biden’s election victory.
The search was confirmed by Clark’s current employer, who said in a written message that agents led a pajama-clad Clark out of his house in suburban Virginia in the early morning and “took his electronic devices.”
Asked whether federal authorities were at the home in Lorton on Wednesday, around the same time that federal agents were delivering subpoenas and taking other investigative steps around the country, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. confirmed that “there was law enforcement activity in that general area yesterday.”
“We have no comment regarding the nature of that activity, or any particular individuals,” the spokesman said. |
(They also started serving and searching local GOP participants in the fake elector scam yesterday.) |
The timing of these is not coincidence. Part of this is show and tell so the DOJ can act on “timely” matters. |
As Neal Katyal just pointed out (on MSNBC), if Jeffrey Clark is under investigation then the logical inference is that Trump must also be under investigation. Because who was Clark in a conspiracy with? Trump. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | All the evidence and testimony (by mostly Republicans that Trump appointed) points directly to Donald Trump giving all the illegal orders. They tell him "X is illegal" and he turns around and says "do X." They personally debunk every single conspiracy step by step to his face. And he turns around and keeps spreading the conspiracy theories. They tell him there is no fraud and he tells them to just "say" there was fraud and he and House Republicans will take it from there. His aides tell him the crowd is chanting, "Hang Mike Pence!" so he goes out and tweets about how Mike Pence is betraying them, then says out loud that the crowd has a point.
How many smoking guns do we need? |
I don't think it will matter, because these people will vote the same way anyway. This is just furthering their persecution complex. It's not moving the needle on the Democratic side for the election either. People are entrenched. You'd hope it'll make a difference, but it almost certainly won't.
At the end of the day, it's really sad that doing the right, necessary thing here isn't going to change the minds that need to be changed, and could actually lead to political blowback in November.
| Quote: | Democrats make up a strong majority of the audience for the live hearings.
Yahoo/YouGov found that 70% of those who have watched approve of Joe Biden’s performance as president, and the same percentage intend to vote for Democratic candidates in the midterm elections.
The composition of the audience for future hearings is likely to be even more Democratic. The Economist/YouGov survey found that 51% of Democrats intend to watch the forthcoming hearings, compared to only 9% of Republicans. A recent Quinnipiac poll helps explain why: 64% of Democrats say that they have learned new information from the hearings thus far, but only 14% of Republicans agree.
As yet, there is no evidence that the work of the January 6 committee is changing many minds.
In a Quinnipiac survey released on January 12, 43% of Americans believed that Donald Trump bears “a lot” of responsibility for the attack on the Capitol. In the comparable survey released on June 22, 41% affirmed this view. And on the core issue of whether President Trump committed a “crime,” the country remains as closely divided as ever. In April, Quinnipiac found, 46% of Americans said they he had and 47% that he hadn’t. As of June 22, the split was almost identical—46% to 48%. A decision to prosecute the former president for his role in the attack would probably intensify this division.
On the other hand, the Economist/YouGov survey found, 79% of Americans now believe that Donald Trump was involved in a wide-ranging effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election, a belief shared by 49% of Republicans and an equal share of those who voted for him in 2020. At the end of the day, the former president may stand convicted in the court of public opinion if not in a court of law. The hearings could intensify the nascent sentiment within the Republican Party to find a replacement for Trump who shares his views but not his defects.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2022/06/23/what-are-americans-thinking-about-the-january-6-hearings/ |
The (hopeful) and likely outcome of this is that Trump faces actual consequences, but DeSantis picks up the mantle and then there's a greater threat to deal with who doesn't have all of the baggage.
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I think the point is to have enough evidence for DOJ to indict Trump and prevent him from running. It's the swing voters/Independents that tip the elections one way or the other.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | I think the point is to have enough evidence for DOJ to indict Trump and prevent him from running. |
Made an edit to my post, but this:
The (hopeful) and likely outcome of this is that Trump faces actual consequences, but consequently DeSantis picks up the mantle and then there's a greater threat to deal with who doesn't have all of the baggage. |
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| DeathSantis does not have the kind of charisma that worries me over and above any other GOP candidate. But he would be a scary fascist President -- as would almost any GOP president with a GOP Congress at this point. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | DeathSantis does not have the kind of charisma that worries me over and above any other GOP candidate. But he would be a scary fascist President -- as would almost any GOP president with a GOP Congress at this point. |
He scares the (bleep) out of me, because latest polling is showing that he actually leads Trump head-to-head and is a better matchup against Biden. A lot could change in two years though. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | DeathSantis does not have the kind of charisma that worries me over and above any other GOP candidate. But he would be a scary fascist President -- as would almost any GOP president with a GOP Congress at this point. |
He scares the (bleep) out of me, because latest polling is showing that he actually leads Trump head-to-head and is a better matchup against Biden. A lot could change in two years though. |
Trump had a reality show for 10-years so he had 10-years to get in people's heads and project a fake persona to them as if it was the real him. And love him or hate him, and I do hate him, no one else in GOP has a tenth of his charisma or is capable of developing a cult who literally thinks he's the next Jesus sent from above. DeSantis is a shrewd, scary politician, for sure. But the Trump cult can't just be bequeathed to the next guy -- especially if he gets on Trump's bad side and Trump trashes him to his cult. It's a long way off. Who knows if we'll actually have free and fair elections in 2024? |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | DeathSantis does not have the kind of charisma that worries me over and above any other GOP candidate. But he would be a scary fascist President -- as would almost any GOP president with a GOP Congress at this point. |
He scares the (bleep) out of me, because latest polling is showing that he actually leads Trump head-to-head and is a better matchup against Biden. A lot could change in two years though. |
Trump had a reality show for 10-years so he had 10-years to get in people's heads and project a fake persona to them as if it was the real him. And love him or hate him, and I do hate him, no one else in GOP has a tenth of his charisma or is capable of developing a cult who literally thinks he's the next Jesus sent from above. DeSantis is a shrewd, scary politician, for sure. But the Trump cult can't just be bequeathed to the next guy -- especially if he gets on Trump's bad side and Trump trashes him to his cult. It's a long way off. Who knows if we'll actually have free and fair elections in 2024? |
Good point. Trump is already starting that with DeSantis (saying he'd win in a matchup with him) so it's something to monitor. |
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My worry for 2024 is that assuming Trump does get charged and can’t run a lot of voters who voted in 2020 against trump will just go “well at least it’s not Trump, I’m not going to bother.” This is especially true for progressives, never-Trump independents and others who came out to vote Biden but won’t be enthusiastic about him in 2024. Meanwhile the Republican persecution complex will be ramped up to 11 and they’ll all turn out in droves to vote for DeSuckis or whatever other slimeball ghoul is the nominee.
Hopefully we can vote DeSuckis out of the Governorship in November here and damage him a bit, but that is a massive long shot. He’ll likely win by 4-5%. |
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The Democrats need to hire ex-Republicans like Steve Schmidt or Rick Wilson or the rest of the Lincoln Project guys to do their campaign messaging and cut through all the milquetoast type campaigning. Make it about a war on Democracy. Make the election about choosing Democracy vs Fascist Authoritarian Rule. Because that really is the choice. Paint every single Republican as waging a war on Democracy and waging war on every single American. They will take away all your rights, every single one. They will take everything for themselves and leave you nothing.
You can't run on infrastructure (snooze) or other boring policy stuff this time (it's not boring to me, but it is to most voters). The right is powered by pure emotion. Democrats need to do the same thing -- make it about anger about what SCOTUS has done. Make it about fear of what GOP will do you give them more power. Tell old people that GOP will take away their Social Security and Medicare (Rick Scott and Lindsay Graham admitted it on video already).
Fear of Trump worked in 2020. Now you make it about fear of extreme right-wing SCOTUS and the GOP morphing into full on fascism (make it scary the way Republicans have made the word "socialism" scary). |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | The Democrats need to hire ex-Republicans like Steve Schmidt or Rick Wilson or the rest of the Lincoln Project guys to do their campaign messaging and cut through all the milquetoast type campaigning. Make it about a war on Democracy. Make the election about choosing Democracy vs Fascist Authoritarian Rule. Because that really is the choice. Paint every single Republican as waging a war on Democracy and waging war on every single American. They will take away all your rights, every single one. They will take everything for themselves and leave you nothing.
You can't run on infrastructure (snooze) or other boring policy stuff this time (it's not boring to me, but it is to most voters). The right is powered by pure emotion. Democrats need to do the same thing -- make it about anger about what SCOTUS has done. Make it about fear of what GOP will do you give them more power. Tell old people that GOP will take away their Social Security and Medicare (Rick Scott and Lindsay Graham admitted it on video already).
Fear of Trump worked in 2020. Now you make it about fear of extreme right-wing SCOTUS and the GOP morphing into full on fascism (make it scary the way Republicans have made the word "socialism" scary). |
they should but probably wont. They have "morals"and want to talk about things that arent talked about at the dinner table. |
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You show a clip from the Handmaid's Tale, then young pregnant women being shackled and incarcerated. Do you want this to happen to your daughter?
You show old people eating cat food in the dark because they didn't enough money to pay their electric bill? Do you want this to happen to your parents -- or you?
You show people in long lines waiting to vote when a volunteer offers an elderly person a bottle of water. Then the police arrest the volunteer for offering water.
Make it in your face. BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU GIVE REPUBLICANS ALL THE POWER. |
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