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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:27 pm Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Pretty crazy seeing the flooding from Hurricane Ian.
And 1/2 the country who vote R are happy to throw up their hands at climate change. Bring it up to them. And they minimize the issue.
SNL should do a sketch about it.
Standing outside house that burnt down due to climate change
Republican Voter: "Well there's no point in trying to slow down climate change unless China and everybody else cuts back more."
Standing in chest deep flooding in Florida home
Deathsatis supporter: "The free market will find a solution to climate change. I don't trust government".
The snarky part of me wants to send generators to Martha's Vineyard.
Would those flown to Martha's V. qualify as hurricane refugees? We could send some of those disaster relief $$ their way.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:07 pm Post subject:
LakersRGolden wrote:
LarryCoon wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Pretty crazy seeing the flooding from Hurricane Ian.
And 1/2 the country who vote R are happy to throw up their hands at climate change. Bring it up to them. And they minimize the issue.
SNL should do a sketch about it.
Standing outside house that burnt down due to climate change
Republican Voter: "Well there's no point in trying to slow down climate change unless China and everybody else cuts back more."
Standing in chest deep flooding in Florida home
Deathsatis supporter: "The free market will find a solution to climate change. I don't trust government".
The snarky part of me wants to send generators to Martha's Vineyard.
Would those flown to Martha's V. qualify as hurricane refugees? We could send some of those disaster relief $$ their way.
If I was as cold hearted as the Republican politicians Florida voters consistently elect.
I’d tell Florida to shove it. They get NO federal relief $ for hurricane Ian.
Just like when little Marco Rubio voted against hurricane Sandy relief.
Florida should “lift it self up by their own bootstraps”.
It’s a state of “welfare kings and queens”.
“States rights”. The state of Florida has the right to deal with their own problems.
And I’d prosecute the hell out of any Republican voting business owner or home owner who uses undocumented workers to repair the damage from this hurricane.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:58 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
jodeke wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
There are a few of insurrectionists that got more than a slap on the wrist:
Quote:
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
NBC News: Kyle Young, a 38-year old Trump fan who brought his teenage son along as he assaulted then-D.C. police officer Mike Fanone and another officer at the Capitol on Jan. 6, was just sentenced to more than seven years — 86 months — in prison. @MSNBC
Jail time is a deterrent. I hope more examples are set.
A lot of these people seem like martyrs. A short prison sentence probably won't do much to teach them a lesson. If anything, it will give them "street cred" as someone who took one for their team.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.[/b]
Gotta give these people longer prison stints that fit the crimes they committed.
Yep. The vast majority of these guys have been given sentences where they will be out before the next presidential election cycle gets started. Even guys like this are getting off light. 7 years for insurrection when he will get out two years from now due to time served and good behavior is no deterrent.
These sentences are just giving them bragging rights and will serve as encouragement for others to do the same thing if 2024 doesn’t go their way. Especially since the GOP still clings to the stolen election lie.
It's according to where you serve your time. I don't know if either of you has spent any real time in jail. 1 year is a long time in some facilities. 6 years is a lifetime. Your first time in some facilities is a deterrent. It's a good possibility you may come out switching, as in how you walk.
It's not a good time. If you've ever done time in some jails you don't want to do it again.
Quote:
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.
_________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Six Republican-led states took legal action Thursday to block President Biden from wiping away billions of dollars in student loan debt, even as the administration tried to avoid a court challenge by reducing the number of people eligible for relief.
A lawsuit filed in federal court by Leslie Rutledge, the Republican attorney general of Arkansas, accuses Mr. Biden of vastly overstepping his authority last month when he announced the government would forgive as much as $20,000 in student loan debt, a far-reaching move that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated could cost $400 billion over the course of the next three decades.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:15 pm Post subject:
When is Judge Cannon going to get impeached? This is completely ridiculous. She's already been rebuked by an extremely conservative 11th circuit appeals court and then she pulls this today. She's 100% compromised and it's beyond asinine that she's allowed to continue ruling in this case.
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
jodeke wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
There are a few of insurrectionists that got more than a slap on the wrist:
Quote:
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
NBC News: Kyle Young, a 38-year old Trump fan who brought his teenage son along as he assaulted then-D.C. police officer Mike Fanone and another officer at the Capitol on Jan. 6, was just sentenced to more than seven years — 86 months — in prison. @MSNBC
Jail time is a deterrent. I hope more examples are set.
A lot of these people seem like martyrs. A short prison sentence probably won't do much to teach them a lesson. If anything, it will give them "street cred" as someone who took one for their team.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.[/b]
Gotta give these people longer prison stints that fit the crimes they committed.
Yep. The vast majority of these guys have been given sentences where they will be out before the next presidential election cycle gets started. Even guys like this are getting off light. 7 years for insurrection when he will get out two years from now due to time served and good behavior is no deterrent.
These sentences are just giving them bragging rights and will serve as encouragement for others to do the same thing if 2024 doesn’t go their way. Especially since the GOP still clings to the stolen election lie.
It's according to where you serve your time. I don't know if either of you has spent any real time in jail. 1 year is a long time in some facilities. 6 years is a lifetime. Your first time in some facilities is a deterrent. It's a good possibility you may come out switching, as in how you walk.
It's not a good time. If you've ever done time in some jails you don't want to do it again.
Quote:
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.
Unless Kyle Young behaves like an absolute idiot and causes trouble while in prison, he won’t serve that time. He’ll get his time reduced, just like the vast majority of convicts, especially white ones.
As far as the deterrent factor for him, gust remains to be seen. I’m speaking to the deterrent factor for those who may consider the same kind of action if the next election doesn’t go their way. The vast majority of those who were caught and tried for 1/6 got slaps on the wrists that just makes them martyrs for the cause. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Joined: 19 Nov 2001 Posts: 17657 Location: Orlando
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:27 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
If the ocean wants to take away Florida. I say, let it!
We can make D.C. our new, 50th state.
I know it’s fun to (bleep) on Florida, and yes our government sucks, but there are a lot of normal, non-Trumpy people who live here BTW. Millions of us. We’d rather not wash away.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:46 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
jodeke wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
There are a few of insurrectionists that got more than a slap on the wrist:
Quote:
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
NBC News: Kyle Young, a 38-year old Trump fan who brought his teenage son along as he assaulted then-D.C. police officer Mike Fanone and another officer at the Capitol on Jan. 6, was just sentenced to more than seven years — 86 months — in prison. @MSNBC
Jail time is a deterrent. I hope more examples are set.
A lot of these people seem like martyrs. A short prison sentence probably won't do much to teach them a lesson. If anything, it will give them "street cred" as someone who took one for their team.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.[/b]
Gotta give these people longer prison stints that fit the crimes they committed.
Yep. The vast majority of these guys have been given sentences where they will be out before the next presidential election cycle gets started. Even guys like this are getting off light. 7 years for insurrection when he will get out two years from now due to time served and good behavior is no deterrent.
These sentences are just giving them bragging rights and will serve as encouragement for others to do the same thing if 2024 doesn’t go their way. Especially since the GOP still clings to the stolen election lie.
It's according to where you serve your time. I don't know if either of you has spent any real time in jail. 1 year is a long time in some facilities. 6 years is a lifetime. Your first time in some facilities is a deterrent. It's a good possibility you may come out switching, as in how you walk.
It's not a good time. If you've ever done time in some jails you don't want to do it again.
Quote:
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.
Unless Kyle Young behaves like an absolute idiot and causes trouble while in prison, he won’t serve that time. He’ll get his time reduced, just like the vast majority of convicts, especially white ones.
As far as the deterrent factor for him, gust remains to be seen. I’m speaking to the deterrent factor for those who may consider the same kind of action if the next election doesn’t go their way. The vast majority of those who were caught and tried for 1/6 got slaps on the wrists that just makes them martyrs for the cause.
To be fair, they all lionize the woman who got shot, so I don’t think an extra year or three affects the zealots. You don’t really get deterrent on these types of things except the people around the edges. Ask the Brits about the IRA. And yes, that’s what these numbskulls think they are. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:59 am Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
jodeke wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
There are a few of insurrectionists that got more than a slap on the wrist:
Quote:
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
NBC News: Kyle Young, a 38-year old Trump fan who brought his teenage son along as he assaulted then-D.C. police officer Mike Fanone and another officer at the Capitol on Jan. 6, was just sentenced to more than seven years — 86 months — in prison. @MSNBC
Jail time is a deterrent. I hope more examples are set.
A lot of these people seem like martyrs. A short prison sentence probably won't do much to teach them a lesson. If anything, it will give them "street cred" as someone who took one for their team.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.[/b]
Gotta give these people longer prison stints that fit the crimes they committed.
Yep. The vast majority of these guys have been given sentences where they will be out before the next presidential election cycle gets started. Even guys like this are getting off light. 7 years for insurrection when he will get out two years from now due to time served and good behavior is no deterrent.
These sentences are just giving them bragging rights and will serve as encouragement for others to do the same thing if 2024 doesn’t go their way. Especially since the GOP still clings to the stolen election lie.
It's according to where you serve your time. I don't know if either of you has spent any real time in jail. 1 year is a long time in some facilities. 6 years is a lifetime. Your first time in some facilities is a deterrent. It's a good possibility you may come out switching, as in how you walk.
It's not a good time. If you've ever done time in some jails you don't want to do it again.
Quote:
Judge Amy Berman Jackson sentenced Kyle Young in U.S. District Court in Washington to the long term, noting he had admitted to helping in the assault of a police officer during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot. She gave him credit for the 17 months he’s been held since his arrest, meaning he likely will serve nearly six years in prison.
Unless Kyle Young behaves like an absolute idiot and causes trouble while in prison, he won’t serve that time. He’ll get his time reduced, just like the vast majority of convicts, especially white ones.
As far as the deterrent factor for him, gust remains to be seen. I’m speaking to the deterrent factor for those who may consider the same kind of action if the next election doesn’t go their way. The vast majority of those who were caught and tried for 1/6 got slaps on the wrists that just makes them martyrs for the cause.
To be fair, they all lionize the woman who got shot, so I don’t think an extra year or three affects the zealots. You don’t really get deterrent on these types of things except the people around the edges. Ask the Brits about the IRA. And yes, that’s what these numbskulls think they are.
Yep. It's important to remember these people are fanatical cult members. What the average person may see as a deterrent, these nut jobs see as demonstration of their commitment to the cause. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
(Ted Cruz's latest comments expose the truth about Trump & the GOP)
Quote:
Sen. Ted Cruz said it is “utter garbage” when potential Republican candidates pronounce that they would run in 2024 whether or not former President Donald Trump does. In today’s episode of The Point, CNN’s Chris Cillizza discusses how the Texas senator evolved from calling Trump a “sniveling coward” to becoming an astute observer of Trump’s hold on the GOP.
(Mark Cuban: Cost Plus Drugs Aim To Be Low-Cost Provider For Every Medicine)
Quote:
Cost Plus Drugs owner and 'Shark Tank' investor Mark Cuban joins Morning Joe to discuss U.S. economic concerns and the idea behind the company Cost Plus Drugs.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:22 pm Post subject:
Congressional stock trading ban act fails to make it to a vote in the House before recess. Who else is COMPLETELY shocked by this development?
Quote:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told reporters Friday that the bill didn’t come to the floor because it didn’t have the votes to pass.
The delay is a momentous setback for the stock trading reform effort, which drew a rare confluence of support from an overwhelming majority of Republican and Democratic voters.
Public scrutiny of lawmakers’ trades intensified when Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) unloaded much of his portfolio after attending a private briefing on the devastating impacts of COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic. Pelosi, whose husband is a prolific trader, also drew backlash when she said she wouldn’t support a ban on stock trading in Congress, a position she later reversed.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:27 pm Post subject:
Quote:
“What does Trump have on Judge Cannon?”: Experts stunned after judge overrules own special master
"Something is so off," ex-prosecutor says, "it is impossible not to ask this question in all seriousness"
Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday overruled the special master she appointed to review thousands of documents seized from Mar-a-Lago, shielding former President Donald Trump from addressing his claims that documents may have been "planted" or "declassified" in court.
Cannon, a Trump appointee in southern Florida, issued an order extending the timeline of the review after Trump's lawyers objected to the expedited schedule laid out by special master Raymond Dearie, who was chosen from a list proposed by Trump's lawyers. Under the new order, the review and any surrounding issues around Dearie's rulings "will almost certainly" stretch into next year, according to Politico.
Cannon, who has served on the bench for less than two years, also overruled Dearie, a Reagan appointee who has served for 36 years, on his requirement that Trump assert whether the FBI's inventory of seized items is accurate, effectively challenging his public claim that agents may have "planted" evidence.
[...]
"If Judge Cannon was going to continue calling every ball in Trump's favor, I'm not at all sure why she felt the need to appoint a special master to review the documents the government seized from Mar-a-Lago," tweeted Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney. "No real surprises here. The name of the game is delay. Judge Cannon countermanded Judge Dearie's streamlined schedule & helped Trump advance his usual delay game in litigation. That means it could be late December before DOJ can use documents it recovered from Mar-a-Lago."
[...]
Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe said that Cannon's order on Thursday was "clearly wrong."
"But she's a sideshow now that the Court of Appeals has lifted her injunction with respect to the classified documents," he tweeted. "On the eve of her stupidly extended deadline, DOJ should indict Trump and render her delays and game playing moot."
[...]
"She's an embarrassment to the federal judiciary," wrote conservative attorney George Conway.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
If the ocean wants to take away Florida. I say, let it!
We can make D.C. our new, 50th state.
I know it’s fun to (bleep) on Florida, and yes our government sucks, but there are a lot of normal, non-Trumpy people who live here BTW. Millions of us. We’d rather not wash away.
I’m not a fan of the way your state votes. Be it the legislature, governor, house, senate, etc. But I know, not all of the population is bad.
The most painful thing about your state is how close the losses consistently are.
You don’t see me bagging on North Dakota. Because they never give me any hope to win that state. So I’m never disappointed.
(Judge Cannon continues catering to Trump, shoots down Judge Dearie's request for info from Trump)
Quote:
The performance of Trump-appointed federal judge, Aileen Cannon, continues to raise questions about her competence and her impartiality. After Donald Trump demanded a special master be appointed to review, for some unspecified privilege, the classified and national security documents he stole from the federal government and unlawfully concealed at Mar-a-Lago, Judge Cannon granted Trump's request though there is scant legal support for such a procedure. Then Trump requested Judge Raymond Dearie be appointed as special master to conduct the review, and Judge Cannon again obliged. Then, when Judge Dearie requested Trump certify the accuracy of the list of items the FBI recovered during the search - information Judge Dearie apparently believed he needed to do a competent, thorough, informed review - Trump's lawyers objected. And now, rather than backing Judge Dearie, Judge Cannon is agin catering to Donald Trump, as can be seen in the new reporting from CNN: "Trump won't have to back up claims in court about FBI planting evidence after judge (Cannon) rejects part of special master's plan."
This video explores how and why it's becoming more clear by the day that there is little justice unfolding in Judge Cannon's courtroom.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:01 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
If the ocean wants to take away Florida. I say, let it!
We can make D.C. our new, 50th state.
I know it’s fun to (bleep) on Florida, and yes our government sucks, but there are a lot of normal, non-Trumpy people who live here BTW. Millions of us. We’d rather not wash away.
I’m not a fan of the way your state votes. Be it the legislature, governor, house, senate, etc. But I know, not all of the population is bad.
The most painful thing about your state is how close the losses consistently are.
You don’t see me bagging on North Dakota. Because they never give me any hope to win that state. So I’m never disappointed.
Seems like more often than not Florida leans red. The only definite populated blue region there is South Florida.
Much of Florida's culture, both in reality and perception, is conservative and Southern.
Joined: 19 Nov 2001 Posts: 17657 Location: Orlando
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:56 pm Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
If the ocean wants to take away Florida. I say, let it!
We can make D.C. our new, 50th state.
I know it’s fun to (bleep) on Florida, and yes our government sucks, but there are a lot of normal, non-Trumpy people who live here BTW. Millions of us. We’d rather not wash away.
I’m not a fan of the way your state votes. Be it the legislature, governor, house, senate, etc. But I know, not all of the population is bad.
The most painful thing about your state is how close the losses consistently are.
You don’t see me bagging on North Dakota. Because they never give me any hope to win that state. So I’m never disappointed.
Seems like more often than not Florida leans red. The only definite populated blue region there is South Florida.
Much of Florida's culture, both in reality and perception, is conservative and Southern.
Orange County in Central Florida (Orlando) where I live is blue 61% for Biden in 2020
Interesting fact: More people voted for Biden in Florida in 2020 than voted for Biden in New York.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:12 pm Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
slavavov wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
If the ocean wants to take away Florida. I say, let it!
We can make D.C. our new, 50th state.
I know it’s fun to (bleep) on Florida, and yes our government sucks, but there are a lot of normal, non-Trumpy people who live here BTW. Millions of us. We’d rather not wash away.
I’m not a fan of the way your state votes. Be it the legislature, governor, house, senate, etc. But I know, not all of the population is bad.
The most painful thing about your state is how close the losses consistently are.
You don’t see me bagging on North Dakota. Because they never give me any hope to win that state. So I’m never disappointed.
Seems like more often than not Florida leans red. The only definite populated blue region there is South Florida.
Much of Florida's culture, both in reality and perception, is conservative and Southern.
Orange County in Central Florida (Orlando) where I live is blue 61% for Biden in 2020
Interesting fact: More people voted for Biden in Florida in 2020 than voted for Biden in New York.
Interesting. I always had this image of Orlando leaning red and being more conservative or libertarian, especially with people like the DeVos family.
The problem for Democrats is that the Cuban population still votes Republican. There was some momentum toward Democrats during Obama's years, but Trump brought them back. It's a big chunk of the electorate. If they could convince Cubans to vote in the same numbers for Democrats as other urban Hispanic groups throughout the country, they'd win the state, even with the rural former Dems leaving the party in the last few decades (that's why rural areas in Florida are so freaking red). _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:45 pm Post subject:
Wilt wrote:
There is also Tampa that is blue.
The problem for Democrats is that the Cuban population still votes Republican. There was some momentum toward Democrats during Obama's years, but Trump brought them back. It's a big chunk of the electorate. If they could convince Cubans to vote in the same numbers for Democrats as other urban Hispanic groups throughout the country, they'd win the state, even with the rural former Dems leaving the party in the last few decades (that's why rural areas in Florida are so freaking red).
Cubans and Venezuelans. We have a super Trumpy second generation Venezuelan running for Florida house around here. Her dad runs some crazy church. Her entire platform is basically “god. Trump”. Her email address is just 45 [AT] whateverherdomainis.com
People can vote however they want, but it makes little sense to have a fear of state socialism and then embrace Trumpian fascism. So you don't really fear authoritarians, you just want your authoritarians to win. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:04 pm Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
Wilt wrote:
There is also Tampa that is blue.
The problem for Democrats is that the Cuban population still votes Republican. There was some momentum toward Democrats during Obama's years, but Trump brought them back. It's a big chunk of the electorate. If they could convince Cubans to vote in the same numbers for Democrats as other urban Hispanic groups throughout the country, they'd win the state, even with the rural former Dems leaving the party in the last few decades (that's why rural areas in Florida are so freaking red).
Cubans and Venezuelans. We have a super Trumpy second generation Venezuelan running for Florida house around here. Her dad runs some crazy church. Her entire platform is basically “god. Trump”. Her email address is just 45 @ whateverherdomainis.com
IAN is telling Floridians something. LINK _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
The problem for Democrats is that the Cuban population still votes Republican. There was some momentum toward Democrats during Obama's years, but Trump brought them back. It's a big chunk of the electorate. If they could convince Cubans to vote in the same numbers for Democrats as other urban Hispanic groups throughout the country, they'd win the state, even with the rural former Dems leaving the party in the last few decades (that's why rural areas in Florida are so freaking red).
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Bring it up to them. And they minimize the issue.
