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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:24 pm Post subject:
JerryWest_44 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
JerryWest_44 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
JerryWest_44 wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
JerryWest_44 wrote:
trmiv wrote:
How would you prefer he handled it?
They should’ve had a bead on it from the Aleutian islands and IMHO should’ve brought it down before it hit the continental United States as there was plenty of open space or open water.
Yeah, because shooting down a ballon that represents little strategic threat prematurely is exactly the way to escalate a nothing incident into an international standoff.
Nevertheless they shot it down.
They did. In the fashion that military advised it be shot down; after it had passed and would present no safety concerns for the populace. This was a balloon that was sure to be detected and posed no military nor intelligence threat. The way it was handled was how it should be. There’s no way that China thought that such a craft would go undetected. So it was either what they say, an innocuous weather gathering vehicle or something to test what the US response would be. The US response was measured and not reactionary. And then when shooting down the balloon over the open ocean was a safe option, we did so. Shoot first and ask questions later is a sure fire to escalate things, which is probably one aspect that China was gauging if this was sn intentional act.
The US could’ve had the same measured response and collected all the intel they wanted before it hit the continental US.
Not without appearing to have had a knee-jerk response to an innocuous breach.
The difference in response between "We're concerned! It might be bad! Shoot it down" versus, "Let's see what we're dealing with. It's not a meaningful threat. Let's make sure we don't hurt our own people by taking it down needlessly" is immense in the strategic back and forth. And then we took it out to say, "Yeah, we're not going to ignore this".
There was nothing to be gained by reacting quickly, and there were things to be gained by taking a measured response.
I agree with not reacting quickly but the Chinese balloon entered the US on January 28…. plenty of time to make a measured response before prior to hitting the continental USA
And here we are, with the US having taken a patient approach that in no way compromised any national security issues. Thus, appearing to be more prudent and unconcerned by the incursion. That's a much better scenario than a fast reaction for sure given that there was nothing ti be gained by an immediate military response. Your milage may vary, but I think that this situation was handled just the way it should have been. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:55 pm Post subject:
I wasn't pleased with the way Biden handled the balloon. I thought it should have been brought down. That's why we have intelligence and leaders with calm. As things evolved it seems the administration did the right thing. Kudos
Have there been any reports of the Chinese balloon cargo? Has any of it been salvaged? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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(Rep. Steven Horsford discusses the U.S. response to the Chinese surveillance balloon)
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The U.S. shot down the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon off the Carolina coast. Symone D. Sanders-Townsend shares the latest developments. Rep. Steven Horsford serves on the House Armed Services Committee and shares his reaction. Rep. Horsford is also the Chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus discusses the commitments asked for in the CBC’s meeting with President Biden following the growing demand for police reform across the United States.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:16 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
Much of what Biden is doing has gone unnoticed because of distractions like the Chinese ballon.
Conservatives want us to be distracted by the Chinese balloon so that we won't notice that the economy added 500k+ jobs in January, the unemployment rate is extremely low and inflation seems to be cooling off for the last several months. That way, people will think things are still bad, which would lead them to vote Republican.
Democrats need to come out swinging with aggression and loudly and proudly promote all the good things Biden has done and accomplished since last summer. He may not be a great president, but recently he's been a solid one.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:21 am Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
CNN
('Seems so absurd': SE Cupp reacts to GOP sniping over suspected spy balloon)
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CNN's SE Cupp reacts to GOP criticism of President Joe Biden's handling of the suspected Chinese spy balloon.
So glad Biden and company were in charge of this . . . and not some of you.
Me too. I was one of those who advocated for shooting the damn thing down. That's what some uninformed knee-jerk citizens think should have been done.
I'm now finding out these balloons have been flying over American soil for years. They did in the Obama, and Trump administrations. It's nothing new. The military had measures in place to handle the intrusion.
Have to give you your props DMR, you had it right. Don't git da big head. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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(What ex-intel chief thinks about suspected Chinese spy balloon being shot down)
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CNN national security analyst James Clapper reacts to the US military shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon after it drifted off the East Coast near the Carolinas.
(Powerful network to back a single GOP candidate other than Trump)
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Americans for Prosperity Action, a conservative organization associated with billionaire Charles Koch, says they will support one candidate in the GOP primary, and it will not be former President Donald Trump.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:17 pm Post subject:
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Chinese balloons flew over US three times during Trump administration: officials
Balloons similar to the one that was shot down off the coast of South Carolina this weekend flew over the U.S. at least three times during the Trump administration, according to a senior U.S. defense official.
As Republicans spent the past few days criticizing the Biden administration over its response to the suspected Chinese spy balloon that flew across the country, an official revealed during a briefing on Saturday that the U.S. was aware of three other instances during the prior administration and one instance earlier in the Biden administration that such an apparatus “transited” the country.
They should’ve had a bead on it from the Aleutian islands and IMHO should’ve brought it down before it hit the continental United States as there was plenty of open space or open water.
Yeah, because shooting down a ballon that represents little strategic threat prematurely is exactly the way to escalate a nothing incident into an international standoff.
Nevertheless they shot it down.
They did. In the fashion that military advised it be shot down; after it had passed and would present no safety concerns for the populace. This was a balloon that was sure to be detected and posed no military nor intelligence threat. The way it was handled was how it should be. There’s no way that China thought that such a craft would go undetected. So it was either what they say, an innocuous weather gathering vehicle or something to test what the US response would be. The US response was measured and not reactionary. And then when shooting down the balloon over the open ocean was a safe option, we did so. Shoot first and ask questions later is a sure fire to escalate things, which is probably one aspect that China was gauging if this was sn intentional act.
The US could’ve had the same measured response and collected all the intel they wanted before it hit the continental US.
Not without appearing to have had a knee-jerk response to an innocuous breach.
The difference in response between "We're concerned! It might be bad! Shoot it down" versus, "Let's see what we're dealing with. It's not a meaningful threat. Let's make sure we don't hurt our own people by taking it down needlessly" is immense in the strategic back and forth. And then we took it out to say, "Yeah, we're not going to ignore this".
There was nothing to be gained by reacting quickly, and there were things to be gained by taking a measured response.
I agree with not reacting quickly but the Chinese balloon entered the US on January 28…. plenty of time to make a measured response before prior to hitting the continental USA
And here we are, with the US having taken a patient approach that in no way compromised any national security issues. Thus, appearing to be more prudent and unconcerned by the incursion. That's a much better scenario than a fast reaction for sure given that there was nothing ti be gained by an immediate military response. Your milage may vary, but I think that this situation was handled just the way it should have been.
Today on CNN I was listening to the former defense secretary Leon Panetta advocating for bringing the Chinese balloon down before entering the continental United States. I'm beginning to wonder what the timing was with the Pentagon/defense dept notifying President Biden. Now it seems that 4 months prior another balloon was off the coast of Hawaii and another balloon over a couple of states during the previous administration. I wonder if the Pentagon even bothered to notify the administrations on these previous balloons expeditions.
We live in a racist society that’s killing its own citizens, so what are we going to do about it? Talk to your friends. Call someone with power. Insist on police reform. Refuse to support those who don’t…there are so many things to choose from. Pick one & do it.
The Manhattan District Attorney is reopening the investigation into former President Trump’s payout to an adult film star and has already convened a grand jury. MSNBC Legal Analyst Lisa Rubin and former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance discuss the challenges of trying Trump for a hush money coverup and how state prosecutors could help.
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Other than that stuff, absolutely nothing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
These results are one of the reasons I don't have a lot of faith in poll numbers. Biden is kicking ass. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Other than that stuff, absolutely nothing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Administration needs to go on the offensive touting these things.
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Other than that stuff, absolutely nothing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Administration needs to go on the offensive touting these things.
I agree, but the reality is people are not acknowledging all of Biden's accomplishments because they aren't aware of them. They are ignoring them because they don't serve their personal narrative. Of course the accomplishments should be heavily promoted and discussed by the Democrats going into the next election cycle, but few will actually be swayed by doing so, unfortunately. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:13 am Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
Social media make some people stupider than they already were . . .
Naw, social media hasn't made anyone dumber. It has just emboldened their stupidity by feeding their confirmation bias. Social media has simply provided the Dunning to their Kruger. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:28 pm Post subject:
The balloon nonsense is just an opportunity for GOP to make political points. I mean, that's really the only function that Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton serve. They don't have any substantive agenda aside from hit pieces. Scumbags, the pair of them. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Other than that stuff, absolutely nothing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
These results are one of the reasons I don't have a lot of faith in poll numbers. Biden is kicking ass.
I agree. But I think there's a chunk of voters who find him boring. Not his fault, Trump was a 4 year political roller coaster.
I don't think people are keeping up with Biden's many accomplishments.
Personally I like how peaceful his term has been so far. I don't miss the Trump drama. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Sixty-two percent of Americans say President Biden has not achieved much during his first two years in office
Oh you know aside from CHIPS, Inflation Reduction Act, the stimulus bill, Marriage Equality Act, the infrastructure bill, getting us out of Afghanistan, record job growth, lowest unemployment rate since the 60s, walking an incredible line in our aid to Ukraine while helping to crush a geopolitical rival. All done with razor thin majorities.
Other than that stuff, absolutely nothing.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Administration needs to go on the offensive touting these things.
Why doesn't the administration tout their accomplishment? It frustrates me that they don't. 2024 is just around the corner. Tomorrow is the State of the Union address. Maybe he'll tout the accomplishments in the address. He has to be forceful and convincing. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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