Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144461 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:02 am Post subject:
anth2000 wrote:
kevin61 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Luminous8 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
But we sacrificed Randle and Russell for KCP and Stephenson.
And who gave that crap deal that forced our hand on Russell? Had Mitch been less of a yes man maybe he’s still here and we have a young core surrounding lebron and AD. At the very least maybe we have a couple young pieces left over.
No hand was forced other than Byron’s butt hurtness. We didn’t have to trade DLO and Mozgov, that was Magic showing his inexperience and protecting his buddy Byron.
We didn’t have to give an abysmal deal to Mozgov who was 10mpg backup for the large portion of his career either. Magic was inexperienced,... what was Mitch’s? Asleep at the wheel?
A 4 time title winner. Learn the Laker history before commenting.
Ventura,
I agree with you on a lot of what you’re saying about Mitch. He deserves a lot of credit for the post Jerry teams. The problem for him was that Jimmy came along and had a negative influence on his decision making. The Mozgov and Deng signings were among the worst in league history, neither player accomplished anything, anywhere, after they were exorbitantly rewarded by the Lakers. Mitch went along with it as either a believer, or a good solider. Those transactions alone warranted termination.
As it worked out, Magic was just an intermediate change, but a necessary one. Along with him came Pelinka, who was smart, but inexperienced. In the two years they worked together he gained experience and insight. Now the benefits are clear, he’s a smart guy and a good GM. Be happy for the team, it’s been a while.
The DLO/Mosgov deal was such a smart deal. Regardless of what folks think, it started the rebuilding process and tear down the crap position that Mitch and Jim Buss got us into.
Yes, we gave away an all star for nothing. Protect us from the smartness! _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
But we sacrificed Randle and Russell for KCP and Stephenson.
And who gave that crap deal that forced our hand on Russell? Had Mitch been less of a yes man maybe he’s still here and we have a young core surrounding lebron and AD. At the very least maybe we have a couple young pieces left over.
No hand was forced other than Byron’s butt hurtness. We didn’t have to trade DLO and Mozgov, that was Magic showing his inexperience and protecting his buddy Byron.
We didn’t have to give an abysmal deal to Mozgov who was 10mpg backup for the large portion of his career either. Magic was inexperienced,... what was Mitch’s? Asleep at the wheel?
A 4 time title winner. Learn the Laker history before commenting.
Ventura,
I agree with you on a lot of what you’re saying about Mitch. He deserves a lot of credit for the post Jerry teams. The problem for him was that Jimmy came along and had a negative influence on his decision making. The Mozgov and Deng signings were among the worst in league history, neither player accomplished anything, anywhere, after they were exorbitantly rewarded by the Lakers. Mitch went along with it as either a believer, or a good solider. Those transactions alone warranted termination.
As it worked out, Magic was just an intermediate change, but a necessary one. Along with him came Pelinka, who was smart, but inexperienced. In the two years they worked together he gained experience and insight. Now the benefits are clear, he’s a smart guy and a good GM. Be happy for the team, it’s been a while.
The DLO/Mosgov deal was such a smart deal. Regardless of what folks think, it started the rebuilding process and tear down the crap position that Mitch and Jim Buss got us into.
Yes, we gave away an all star for nothing. Protect us from the smartness!
We got Kuz no?
Or if you're in the camp that thinks we got Josh Hart. We got 1/6th of AD for him.
1/6th AD for a guy who was added to the all-star game by Adam Silver due to Victor Oladipo being injured in the EAST (I like using that term instead of just saying all-star )
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender. _________________ I love my Lakies
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
Cmon. Are you sure you dont want to be paying DLO $28M a year?
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
Cmon. Are you sure you dont want to be paying DLO $28M a year?
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
Cmon. Are you sure you dont want to be paying DLO $28M a year?
Bullet Dodged
Agreed, DLO was an add on All Star in an extremely week conference. Ventura knows better, it’s just a tool to bash management. As you noted, that same “All Star” would have required 28mil in cap space which was never in the plans. They got a draft pick in the deal as well, which was either Kuzma, or at worst, Hart. They’d still be paying Mozgov.
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
Cmon. Are you sure you dont want to be paying DLO $28M a year?
He's a max player but I'm not sure if he's really a max, or if he's just an expensive contract that won't get you max returns.
I'm still of the belief that the only youngster we sent away worth keeping was Ingram
But DLO might very well prove a lot of people wrong. Hard to tell
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144461 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:33 pm Post subject:
AirTupac wrote:
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
He was selected for the all star game, he’s a real all star. Pretty simple logic, no? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 13859 Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:36 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
AirTupac wrote:
People are STILL hung up DLO. No he's not a real allstar. He's still inefficient as hell. Even more this season. Still a huge negative defender. 19/6/4 on 38%. Yeah thank you Pelinka for starting the rebuild from past ownerships mistakes. And no thank you. I dont want the Lakers paying DLO that kind of money for 19/6/4 on 38%. He won't magically get more efficient or a become a better defender.
He was selected for the all star game, he’s a real all star. Pretty simple logic, no?
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