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J.C. Smith
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| Hield is also shooting 36% from three this season. He hasn't hit 40% in three seasons. His scoring and three point shooting percentage has dropped in each of the past few seasons. He's the worst defender in the Kings core, and is playing less than 29 minutes for a bad Kings team. |
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acer77
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| Rob is doing a fine job. Tragic left the team in disarray and Rob not only picked up the pieces but put together a Championship team. Had AD not gone down in game 4 vs Suns, Lakers would be going for a 3-peat this season. |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Hield is also shooting 36% from three this season. He hasn't hit 40% in three seasons. His scoring and three point shooting percentage has dropped in each of the past few seasons. He's the worst defender in the Kings core, and is playing less than 29 minutes for a bad Kings team. |
Lol he missed out on 40% by .09 and .06 points. He's simply not a 40% shooter! |
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Username
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
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Outspoken
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
True, but for a position like Rob's it would be essential to be; especially from a great GM like Jerry West. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
Tell that to the better franchises from the past 4-5 seasons. Mentored GMs included GS, Phoenix, Clippers and Bucks. Good owners don’t spend billions on their franchises and then let personnel execs sink or swim.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Username wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
Tell that to the better franchises from the past 4-5 seasons. Mentored GMs included GS, Phoenix, Clippers and Bucks. |
Better business individuals do so. The ones that don't care about the product, but rather the money coming in, don't; ala Knicks. Jeanie is just naive and treating the Lakers like a mom and pop shop; hiring "who she knows, not what they know." |
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LGFan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Username wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
Tell that to the better franchises from the past 4-5 seasons. Mentored GMs included GS, Phoenix, Clippers and Bucks. Good owners don’t spend billions on their franchises and then let personnel execs sink or swim. |
lol..try harder
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
As a general rule, maybe. However, if the person in question has no front office experience, they probably do need a mentor. On the other hand, if someone has worked for 10 years as an assistant GM or in some similar position, they should have learned enough to handle the job without a mentor. I don't think that being a player agent provides that sort of experience.
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venturalakersfan
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Username wrote: | | The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
As a general rule, maybe. However, if the person in question has no front office experience, they probably do need a mentor. On the other hand, if someone has worked for 10 years as an assistant GM or in some similar position, they should have learned enough to handle the job without a mentor. I don't think that being a player agent provides that sort of experience. |
Someone working for 10 years as an assistant GM would have been mentored.
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KindCrippler2000
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| He's no Mitch. Sure Mitch was antiquated in some ways, but imagine if he didn't get screwed over in the CP3 trade. |
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Outspoken
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | He's no Mitch. Sure Mitch was antiquated in some ways, but imagine if he didn't get screwed over in the CP3 trade. |
I think that Mitch building relationships got him in the front office, but he was mentored by Jerry West for 10+ years before becoming the GM. |
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roger_federer
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| RobtheGenius. He plays 3d chess when everyone playing 2D. Maybe he is building roster for some other game when everyone building it for Basketball |
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KindCrippler2000
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | RobtheGenius. He plays 3d chess when everyone playing 2D. Maybe he is building roster for some other game when everyone building it for Basketball |
3d chess AKA Nba 2k myGM. |
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laker50
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Rob is giving up the farm to try to win with Lebron today.
The Westbrook trade was too steep for it gave away an elite defense.
The owners have to make some changes to control
Pelinka before it is too late. |
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troy
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| I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
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It was piss poor asset management to trade that much for Westbrook.
Especially bad to include a pick…don’t care if it was Pelinka or LeGM, just piss poor asset management and they have been paying for it.
Another terrible move was not getting compensation for Caruso. Just really bad asset management all around. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
There are actual experienced NBA execs out there that Jeanie could turn to.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
There are actual experienced NBA execs out there that Jeanie could turn to. |
But I think if she hires an "outside" NBA exec, she's sending a clear signal that she's undermining Rob, and I get the impression that she's too nice to do that. Bringing back Magic, even as a consultant, is easier for Rob to digest since Magic was there before Rob and Magic is close to Jeanie and the Buss family. |
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venturalakersfan
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| troy wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
There are actual experienced NBA execs out there that Jeanie could turn to. |
But I think if she hires an "outside" NBA exec, she's sending a clear signal that she's undermining Rob, and I get the impression that she's too nice to do that. Bringing back Magic, even as a consultant, is easier for Rob to digest since Magic was there before Rob and Magic is close to Jeanie and the Buss family. |
You are probably correct and I wouldn’t expect her to reach beyond her sphere of comfort. That is part of the reason that many of us assumed that the Lakers we grew up with would go with the passing of Dr. Buss.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| LGFan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Username wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: | Saying it for the past 2 years, Most overrated GM.
Got extremely lucky with Rondo, Dwight and Kieff in the 1st year. he thought that was his skill. It was not |
What do you expect not being mentored for the position? Jerry West was mentored by Bill Sherman. Mitch was mentored by Jerry West. We could have brought in Jerry West to mentor Rob, but Jeanie objected not to. He went in green and still is. He is learning on the fly and it doesn't help that they won a championship because it says he is doing a good job, when in actuality, he isn't. |
The idea that someone needs to be "mentored" for the job is an antiquated concept. |
Tell that to the better franchises from the past 4-5 seasons. Mentored GMs included GS, Phoenix, Clippers and Bucks. Good owners don’t spend billions on their franchises and then let personnel execs sink or swim. |
lol..try harder
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 All teams on there but the Lakers had mentored GMs. Horst worked under Hammond for 10 years. Ujiri was an assistant GM in Toronto, then hired as GM in Denver, then returned as GM in Toronto. Meyers was mentored by West.
Rob got a team that already had Lebron and trade for AD was already in motion. Season stoppage gave him a fully rested Lebron/AD, who got a second training camp at the house of the guy with a Staples replica while the rest of the league was stopped from training together. We're seeing the real Rob as GM now. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
Sure - have the blind lead the blind - thanks for the laugh  |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
Sure - have the blind lead the blind - thanks for the laugh |
I think Magic would be worse than Rob.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Mamba Mentality wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
Sure - have the blind lead the blind - thanks for the laugh |
I think Magic would be worse than Rob. |
Absolutely. That's not really saying much though. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | troy wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | troy wrote: | | I know this may not be popular on LG, but I think Jeanie should bring Magic Johnson back. Give him some position with enough power check Rob and his horrendous decisions, because it's clear that Rob's annual dismantling of this roster is the main cause for our .500 performance. This would also help Rob, as I don't see that Magic will be as placative to Lebron and Klutch. |
There are actual experienced NBA execs out there that Jeanie could turn to. |
But I think if she hires an "outside" NBA exec, she's sending a clear signal that she's undermining Rob, and I get the impression that she's too nice to do that. Bringing back Magic, even as a consultant, is easier for Rob to digest since Magic was there before Rob and Magic is close to Jeanie and the Buss family. |
You are probably correct and I wouldn’t expect her to reach beyond her sphere of comfort. That is part of the reason that many of us assumed that the Lakers we grew up with would go with the passing of Dr. Buss. |
I don't think she’s capable of identifying a talented GM. If Rob steps down or gets fired there’s only one candidate for the spot and he’s already right down the hall from Jeanie. |
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