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tox
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| Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
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Bron2AD
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
he is certified westbrick fan troll. his whole agenda is against Lebron and loves to post passive aggressive comments to get people riled up
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Halflife
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with.
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sonic the laker
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with. |
Couldn't disagree more.
There were issues with the Lakers, that Ham had absolutely no control over. Most noticeably, injuries. This really disrupted what the Lakers had envisioned coming into the season. But, while problematic, is what coaches are hired to navigate. And, Ham did an AWFUL job doing so...among other things. One of those "other things" being trying to force his vision of what he wanted the team to be, instead of recognizing what the team was, and playing towards their strength(s). Ham essentially handcuffed his own players throughout the season. Evidenced by their bipolar play.
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential.
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Halflife
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| sonic the laker wrote: | .
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential. |
Team lost faith in Vogel too. Seems like a pattern.
Who has talent beyond bron, ad, reaves, max, and vandy to a point? Prince?
I’ll repeat myself.
Reddish. An athletic, supposedly defensive guy who is cheap. Thibs, a coach that loves those guys wanted nothing to do with him. No one did but Rob.
Wood- a big that can stretch the floor. Kidd never wanted him to begin with. A position they desperately needed at the time
Hayes. He has done nothing to validate you or anyone else to say he’s a good player.
Dlo- exactly what some said would happen this year after we got swept last year happened. Most thought he was gone at deadline. Does that seem like talent?
The only reason we should keep what we have is so we don’t blow our picks. It’s certainly not because we are close.
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2024 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| sonic the laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with. |
Couldn't disagree more.
There were issues with the Lakers, that Ham had absolutely no control over. Most noticeably, injuries. This really disrupted what the Lakers had envisioned coming into the season. But, while problematic, is what coaches are hired to navigate. And, Ham did an AWFUL job doing so...among other things. One of those "other things" being trying to force his vision of what he wanted the team to be, instead of recognizing what the team was, and playing towards their strength(s). Ham essentially handcuffed his own players throughout the season. Evidenced by their bipolar play.
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential. |
I couldn’t agree more. This is a realistically logical take. The team…once the starters were set with Dlo/AR/LBJ/RuiAD…won at a rate in Feb/Mar/Apr that would have translated to a 56 win season for 1st in the west. They led at halftime of every game in the playoffs and for an unusual long length of game time. The failures were subtle not egregious. Better coaching, a better rebounding back up C, and a better 3&D guard, looks like it would be enough to push this team over the edge toward a ship.
Tweaks not overhaul. Budenholzer would add continuity since he’s the upgraded version of Ham. I fear that the team also needs an upgraded version of Pelinka as well tho. If he adds the necessary back up center and guard while keeping everyone else I could get on board with his vision, otherwise I question whether the Lakers can win with the current front office.
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tox
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| The concern about "keep the core" etc is LeBron and AD are 39 & 30, not 29 & 20. Rather than internal growth, we should expect some amount of regression. The roster building will need to account for that IMO. |
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roger_federer
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| Its a miracle this dude still has job |
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| roger_federer wrote: | | Its a miracle this dude still has job |
The championship bought him a lot of time. Unfortunately despite supporting Rob 100%, Jeanie has done a 180 on coaches. When she was dating Phil, she always teamed up with Phil vs brother Jimmy. It was never Phil's fault if the Lakers didn't win.
Fast forward to her time in power, she's gone through 3 coaches pretty quick. Two of them were first time coaches who had Laker connections and Jeanie "loved". One of them actually was a coach with experience and led them to a NBA title. Despite that, no loyalty to that, shown the door.
The mentality is quite clear. Keep your friends and trusted circle close. Everyone else is just a temporary place holder, regardless what they do. Pelinka, unfortunately for us Laker fans, is seen as a trusted one in the circle. Because of Kobe. It really sucks. Because it's not just the coach. Sure we've not had an elite coach since Phil. However Vogel was a pretty good one, and until they found a legit elite upgrade, he should have kept his spot, if for no other reason but because he won a NBA title at the helm. Meanwhile Pelinka who has built 1 or 2 good rosters in 7 years, has been constantly praised and overlooked for his mistakes. These rosters not being title ready are on Pelinka not the coach. Luke Walton had a 35-4 record with the Warriors. Brown, coached the Warriors to a few playoff series wins. IE if the talent is there, even an ordinary coach will at least get you to a certain level. The main issue Jeanie is not seeing, Pelinka has not built balanced talented teams since 2020. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| sonic the laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with. |
Couldn't disagree more.
There were issues with the Lakers, that Ham had absolutely no control over. Most noticeably, injuries. This really disrupted what the Lakers had envisioned coming into the season. But, while problematic, is what coaches are hired to navigate. And, Ham did an AWFUL job doing so...among other things. One of those "other things" being trying to force his vision of what he wanted the team to be, instead of recognizing what the team was, and playing towards their strength(s). Ham essentially handcuffed his own players throughout the season. Evidenced by their bipolar play.
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential. |
We have no one on our roster outside of AD and bron that would start for any of the teams left. And okc, wolves, nuggets, mavs, nyk, would all have the best player on the court. This team needs to replace 3 players minimum, 2 being starters at worst.
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Hanging from Rafters
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| Posted: Tue May 07, 2024 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with. |
Couldn't disagree more.
There were issues with the Lakers, that Ham had absolutely no control over. Most noticeably, injuries. This really disrupted what the Lakers had envisioned coming into the season. But, while problematic, is what coaches are hired to navigate. And, Ham did an AWFUL job doing so...among other things. One of those "other things" being trying to force his vision of what he wanted the team to be, instead of recognizing what the team was, and playing towards their strength(s). Ham essentially handcuffed his own players throughout the season. Evidenced by their bipolar play.
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential. |
We have no one on our roster outside of AD and bron that would start for any of the teams left. And okc, wolves, nuggets, mavs, nyk, would all have the best player on the court. This team needs to replace 3 players minimum, 2 being starters at worst. |
If 3 starters are replaced it likely wouldn’t be an improvement, They could do it if the goal is the lottery. The 5 starters won last year and this year in a way that makes it look like they could be a contender with improved coaching and better bench guys. Sure, they flaked out in the playoffs, but after trades last year they won games to go from 13th to 7th reg season and went to the WCF last year. This year after the fixing the rotation for Feb/Mar/Apr they beat 7 of 8 of the top 4 seeds for each conf. That’s not enough, we want a ship, but it’s enough to build on, it would be a continual mistake we’ve seen before to be torn down.
A better performing GM and better performing coach would have this core in the finals conversation. Simply trading Vincent/JHS/+pics for Caruso/Drummond or something like that to fix holes would have had this team this year in the hunt. Not realizing the success and building on it is why we have Vincent instead of Schroeder right now, and why Caruso/Drummond aren’t still already on the team from years ago. Now fans want to keep making the same mistake followed since the ship. The FO needs to Recognize incremental success and build on that instead of starting over with mercenaries that turn out to not be an upgrade on the players that were already here. It started with Lopez, then Zubac, then Dwight and Rondo, then Caruso, then Schroeder, just stop it, stop digging.
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Me officially asking for his dismissal
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| Halflife wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Our roster this year was very good.
Our Coach utilizing them to the fullest of their abilities was not.
People that try to jump on the "bad roster" bandwagon when Ham was starting Prince and Reddish over DLO and AR while the roster was healthy need not try to contribute anything further. |
It was a bad roster because
Dlo
Wood
Hayes
Reddish
prince
We’re guys so bad that not a single other team in the league wanted them. Teams with superior coaches.
The only reason we did anything was because AD decided to play.
We literally had a starting guard on our team score 9 pts and 0 pts in a playoff series. |
I'm convinced you're related to Darvin. You just post stuff that you have to know is just complete garbage.
Look at every player you listed and look at their MPG last year, most were starters and all played contributing minutes to their teams. They would play minutes on whatever team they go to next, Darvin not knowing how to use a roster doesn't mean the roster is bad. |
We didn’t have to bid against anyone for our new signings.
Defense minded coach thibs had no idea what to with reddish.
Zach Lowe said JKidd said he did not want wood the previous year.
Hayes is not good. On paper he should be in demand. Wasn’t.
We all know about DLo and his market
Prince was ok
Hamm should have and was fired but our roster is not good after 3.5 players. Even Rui was a surprise last year. He turned into the guy the Wiz got rid of.
We can blame hamm for everything. We did. But we have a roster full of guys that better coaches couldn’t do anything with. |
Couldn't disagree more.
There were issues with the Lakers, that Ham had absolutely no control over. Most noticeably, injuries. This really disrupted what the Lakers had envisioned coming into the season. But, while problematic, is what coaches are hired to navigate. And, Ham did an AWFUL job doing so...among other things. One of those "other things" being trying to force his vision of what he wanted the team to be, instead of recognizing what the team was, and playing towards their strength(s). Ham essentially handcuffed his own players throughout the season. Evidenced by their bipolar play.
The result was the team, as a whole, losing faith in Ham's ability to lead as a HC, which led to his eventual dismissal.
These players have more talent than some on this board give them credit for. Imo, the Lakers should keep the core intact as much as possible, improve around the margins, and hire a coach(s) who can properly unlock this teams potential. |
We have no one on our roster outside of AD and bron that would start for any of the teams left. And okc, wolves, nuggets, mavs, nyk, would all have the best player on the court. This team needs to replace 3 players minimum, 2 being starters at worst. |
Ya this Wolves/Nuggets series should open the eyes to any Lakers fans and see what’s dominating the NBA now….size, youth and athleticism. Our younger guys arent athletic nor very big.
Our 2 best players are older. Yes AD is a lot younger than Bron but he’s 31 and nearing the end of his prime. All the top dawgs running the league now are in their mid twenties….
Idk how we overhaul the roster into what we need to compete in one off-season. |
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In an alternate universe, Rob gets fired and Jeanie makes Connelly the highest paid executive in the league. But we live in this universe.
| Quote: | Part of the hold up, league sources say, is that Detroit appears interested in making a run at Minnesota Timberwolves head executive Tim Connelly, whose team is in the midst of a second-round playoff matchup with Connelly’s former team, the defending-champion Denver Nuggets.
Whether or not Connelly returns to the Timberwolves, league sources say he is likely to opt out of the final year of his contract. It seems likely that Connelly will return to Minnesota, but if Pistons owner Tom Gores is willing to offer something like $15 million annually, that could be enough to pry him away. |
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| ocho wrote: | In an alternate universe, Rob gets fired and Jeanie makes Connelly the highest paid executive in the league. But we live in this universe.
| Quote: | Part of the hold up, league sources say, is that Detroit appears interested in making a run at Minnesota Timberwolves head executive Tim Connelly, whose team is in the midst of a second-round playoff matchup with Connelly’s former team, the defending-champion Denver Nuggets.
Whether or not Connelly returns to the Timberwolves, league sources say he is likely to opt out of the final year of his contract. It seems likely that Connelly will return to Minnesota, but if Pistons owner Tom Gores is willing to offer something like $15 million annually, that could be enough to pry him away. |
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Well, he built Nugs - champ then Wolves - 3rd seed, this is Pelinka’s bar
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