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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:41 am    Post subject:

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Throughout the season, Vogel often told confidants he felt like he was "searching." Regardless of the answers he found, or didn't, he's expected to be replaced after the season, sources said.

It might not be Vogel's fault, team insiders said, but firing a coach is the easiest change for the franchise to make.

The front office, led by president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka and special adviser Kurt Rambis, is expected to remain in power, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33693784/why-los-angeles-lakers-season-was-doomed-their-first-team-outing-october


Is this a typo or did they just promote dude?!?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:54 am    Post subject:

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Throughout the season, Vogel often told confidants he felt like he was "searching." Regardless of the answers he found, or didn't, he's expected to be replaced after the season, sources said.

It might not be Vogel's fault, team insiders said, but firing a coach is the easiest change for the franchise to make.

The front office, led by president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka and special adviser Kurt Rambis, is expected to remain in power, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33693784/why-los-angeles-lakers-season-was-doomed-their-first-team-outing-october


Is this a typo or did they just promote dude?!?



They been promoted Rob, I believe last year. That is a reason I thought it would have been beneficial to bring in an actual GM, but I guess we will see what Rob and Kurt do next season.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:07 am    Post subject:

^Last I checked Rob had been promoted to the VP title and the PoBO title disappeared once Magic left the show.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Lakers/13/staff-members
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:11 am    Post subject:

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:14 am    Post subject:

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^Last I checked Rob had been promoted to the VP title and the PoBO title disappeared once Magic left the show.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Lakers/13/staff-members


You're right. They just keep promoting Rob.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:19 am    Post subject:

The people who put us in this position are keeping their jobs
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:50 am    Post subject:

Everybody’s got jokes! In all seriousness tho, I thought in having anonymity, they would have went a lot harder on Rob’s abomination of a roster.

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While the Lakers were dealing with Westbrook, Vogel and his coaching staff were trying to sort out their vision for the team — a flawed roster they believed had the versatility to handle a variety of challenges. Eventually, Vogel and his staff knew what they had lost.

By trading wings Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Kyle Kuzma and letting guards Alex Caruso and Dennis Schroeder leave in free agency, the team’s perimeter defense had been gutted.

Privately, Vogel joked about the Lakers leading the NBA in blocked shots — not because of their interior defense but because of the frequency opposing guards would get into the paint to challenge the Lakers’ frontcourt.

Rob Pelinka, the team’s vice president of basketball operations and general manager, said in the preseason he believed the team would have enough perimeter defense with Bazemore and Ariza. Scouts believed that Nunn could be their best perimeter defender.

But Ariza needed ankle surgery in training camp, Nunn’s sore ankle turned into a knee bruise that knocked him out for the season, and Bazemore was pushed out of the starting lineup 13 games into the season.

To help their defensive issues, the team added Avery Bradley after he was cut by Golden State. Undrafted rookie Austin Reaves earned significant minutes because of his tenacity.

NBA scouts joked about how frequently opposing teams would have four or even five players on the court that they liked more than the Lakers’ players.

Yet for all the discussions about the clunky offensive fit between James and Westbrook, the Lakers and Vogel soon learned that the two worked even worse together on defense.

It set a conflict internally for the Lakers that they never solved, with Vogel, one of the NBA’s best defensive coaches, trying to find a way for the team to be competent on that side of the ball.

“We don’t have a great offensive team, but we are more offense than we are defense, and Frank has to adjust to that,” one Lakers staffer said. “You got to live with the fact that your defense isn’t going to be top three. And you hope it’s top 20, and then your offense is good enough to move it. But that’s the hard part.”

Vogel acknowledged that was a struggle during the season.

“If an offensive lineup is what you feel is gonna win the most games, you have to put [defense] aside and just go with it. I’ve done that a lot this year,” he said March 21. “It hasn’t resulted in enough wins, and it’s been very disappointing some of the defensive performances we put out. But you have to make the pieces fit offensively for us to win.”

The Lakers would end up being below average on both ends of the court. After being a top-three defense in each of their last two seasons under Vogel, the Lakers are 21st. Compounding things, the offense never produced either, the Lakers ranking 24th.

Then there was the team’s age — a running joke in the NBA offseason that James addressed on media day at the start of the season. The team broke camp with five players 35 or older, and it was instantly clear that the team needed more youth and athleticism, particularly on the wing.

In-season additions of forwards Stanley Johnson and Wenyen Gabriel helped, but neither could seriously be viewed as solutions. Still, it was striking to scouts and executives how much anyone with youth and athleticism stood out against the Lakers’ canvas of old and slow.

Due to injuries, a midseason COVID-19 outbreak and mounting losses, Vogel abandoned one of his core beliefs — a principle based around stability — and scrambled to find groupings that would work.

The flaws of the roster were everywhere he looked — the guys who could score unable to defend, the ones who could defend unable to score, and the ones who could do both often injured. Their signings in the summer didn’t help — Nunn never played, and Horton-Tucker became ineffective particularly in pairings with Westbrook.

“Well, the plan of what we thought we’d look like to start the season got ripped up very early. And we’ve been seeking for something ever since,” Vogel said before a late-season loss to the Jazz in Utah. “We’ve got some guys that have brought us some energy that we’re hoping can get us over the hump. I’m a coach that, honestly, prides myself on a boring rotation and erring too, too much on the side of stability. And I’ve not been able to do that this year and that’s been very difficult for me as a head coach.”

He survived a possible midseason firing, with the lack of job security hanging over his head the rest of the season.

Nothing ever felt settled, the ground underneath the team’s feet constantly shifting in an effort to find the right move that would save them. Opposing scouts said they saw Lakers players ignoring their coaches’ instruction.

In what was one of the Lakers’ last real shots to save their season at Crypto.com arena, Vogel used his 38th starting lineup of the season.

“How can you win like that,” James wondered as he left the arena after a 114-111 loss to New Orleans on April 1. “F— impossible.”

Yet those defending Vogel would point to nothing working, no lineup worthy of getting a consistent look because of mismatched talent. In the end, it left the coaches to do an endless search while leaving veteran players caught in and out of the team’s rotations at various times of the season.

“This season,” one of those veterans said, “is b—.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-04-08/inside-la-lakers-disappointing-season-lebron-james-anthony-davis

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:05 am    Post subject:

Can’t make trades with those that distRusst us.

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This is a Lakers front office that inspires a deep distrust and frustration in many of its rival front-office executives and agents — a reality that doesn’t bode well for roster improvement in this desperate time. Still, the reluctance remains to address these problems that are common knowledge around the league. – via Sam Amick @ The Athletic


Jeanie this is yet another reason to find a new FO. It’s just bad for business.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:13 am    Post subject:

Lol

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/rob_pelinka_on_2021_22_lakers_the_greatest_basketball_talent_ever_assembled/s1_16751_36233660
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:00 am    Post subject:

What a moron.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:36 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Lol

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/rob_pelinka_on_2021_22_lakers_the_greatest_basketball_talent_ever_assembled/s1_16751_36233660


So sad.
Seriously, just keeping Alex would have salvaged part of the season.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:39 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
governator wrote:
Lol

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/rob_pelinka_on_2021_22_lakers_the_greatest_basketball_talent_ever_assembled/s1_16751_36233660


So sad.
Seriously, just keeping Alex would have salvaged part of the season.


Yeah, Alex woulda been in the rotation when THT wasn’t ready, sigh
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:04 pm    Post subject:

Pelinka is just exercising Jeanie's vision. She's really the PBO. Rob telling the media at the exit interviews that he is the ultimate decision maker was some top rate human shield work. In the follow-up question about whether Jeanie was in the meeting where Frank was let go, you could see Rob trying to figure out how to make a run for the door.

Of course Jeanie followed that up with her Plascke interview, aligning herself with frustrated Laker Fans, saying there will be accountability, and evoking Dr. Buss, all of which was perfectly on brand for her.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:00 am    Post subject:

ok, mMLE, Nunn/THT/'27FRP/'29FRP, what u gonna do Rob?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:14 pm    Post subject:

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Warriors associate head coach Mike Brown, who began his career as an assistant for Popovich from 2000 to 2003, said that alignment between ownership, front office and coaching staff is the most important thing in building sustainable success.

"It starts from the top," Brown says. "Your ownership has to be right. But just as important is the relationship between your GM and your head coach. That relationship can go sideways very, very easily. And if it goes sideways a little bit -- the players pick up on it and now you've lost any momentum or a hope going forward.

"And ... if you don't have the players, you've got no shot at it."

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34020829/nba-finals-2022-grueling-expensive-risky-reconstruction-golden-state-warriors

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Mike Brown is gonna wish he didn’t accept the Kings job once he sees the mess rising from the ashes over there, he had it easy in GS and should have at least went to a team on the cusp of being good.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:47 am    Post subject:

You got this Rob!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:12 am    Post subject:

LaxT wrote:
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Warriors associate head coach Mike Brown, who began his career as an assistant for Popovich from 2000 to 2003, said that alignment between ownership, front office and coaching staff is the most important thing in building sustainable success.

"It starts from the top," Brown says. "Your ownership has to be right. But just as important is the relationship between your GM and your head coach. That relationship can go sideways very, very easily. And if it goes sideways a little bit -- the players pick up on it and now you've lost any momentum or a hope going forward.

"And ... if you don't have the players, you've got no shot at it."

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34020829/nba-finals-2022-grueling-expensive-risky-reconstruction-golden-state-warriors

Good teams are alike, so are bad teams.

Yeah, we did to Frank Vogel what the previous FO regime did to Mike Brown and D'Antoni. The issue I have is this. Kobe didn't like Brown/MDA and never won with them. There was a clear disrespect, and issues also arose with Gasol. In our situation/scenario, Vogel won a (bleep) ring with a healthy AD (the lone season AD was health) and healthy Lebron and had 2 elite defensive teams in 3 years. From what I saw, it was clear AD did not have an issue with Vogel (And Lebron isn't really coachable by anyone at a high level),

Basically, we gave him the MDA/Brown treatment, when he had earned and would have earned far more respect had he been in almost any other organization, having won a title. Heck, the Knicks didn't fire Thibs. Does anyone think Thibs did a better job than Vogel last year? Even the Knicks didn't do that.

Anyway, this all goes back to saving your butt, IMO. By scapegoating Vogel, and bringing in a guy like Ham who may command more out of Westbrook, the Lakers will have a shot at being 10 wins better with Westbrook and make the playoffs. This makes the trade a little less worse, and a little less of a disaster. It's one thing if you hired an elite coach, that would give you an advantage every game or throughout the season. Been evident in Ham's interviews, this is as much about getting respect and more out of Russ than anything. And if AD is healthy, who being the coach is not dependent on that, it's about some fortune there. A healthy AD would elevate even last year's team into the playoffs, Russ warts and bad roster and all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:20 am    Post subject:

This guy still has a job 😂
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:27 am    Post subject:

One thing going for Rob next season is we couldn't possibly go any lower. Technically, we could since we only finished with the 9th worst record so still have some room to fall.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:37 am    Post subject:

Dennis100mtrash wrote:
This guy still has a job 😂




They should have cleaned house after this abomination of a season.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:33 am    Post subject:

Leif wrote:
They should have cleaned house after this abomination of a season.


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