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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | Kobetan wrote: | | Is Bron officially our 2nd best player? |
yes. hes a 2nd option for the first time since 2011 Finals, he should embrace it |
agree. If at any point he acts otherwise he should be benched.
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Not sure the standard for Davis should be this current historic run. Davis is unlikely to sustain the current stats.
That being said, the team needs to continue to feed him the ball. To utilize his skillset when he is healthy and in a groove. If all goes correctly, Davis contributing 25pt/ 12reb/ 2.5 blks a night is not unreasonable IMO.
James needs to be the first guy to encourage this offense going through Davis. But he also needs to be smarter with his shot selection, ISO dependence and TOs.
Davis should be option #1. But James is still responsible for how this team is running every night. When James settles, so does the team overall.
Last few games has shown a path to success and decent team chemistry. Can they maintain or build on it is the big question?
Reverting back to old bad habits is not out of the realm of possibility. I will root for the best. |
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| Kobetan wrote: | | Is Bron officially our 2nd best player? |
Right now, AD is playing amazingly and Lebron is playing well. AD has played at an MVP level the last 10 games; without question, he's having the better season to date.
Hopefully that continues, just as Lebron good play of late hopefully continues. That said, with both of them you always have to be concerned about injuries and a potential cold spell. It's a long season, and 75% of it is still to go, and as they say anything can happen.
Bottom line: For the Lakers to do anything this year, both AD and Lebron will have to stay healthy and play at a high level. In their time together as Lakers, the team has always been "AD and Lebron and (big drop) everybody else." If either of the one-two punch loses their punch, I don't see much hope for us. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | If all goes correctly, Davis contributing 25pt/ 12reb/ 2.5 blks a night is not unreasonable IMO. |
That's actually a pretty typical season for AD. As a Laker, he's averaged 25-10 and 2.2 blocks. |
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It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
Nuclear AD, I like that one.
Nuclear AD is without a doubt the most dominant player in the league. Complete season changer. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
hes not and shouldnt be. hes only shooting as much/more because of his name, not because he is as productive as Davis
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click.
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
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| governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
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| PenG_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
Don't waste your time |
 Some posters just can't help themselves. Always ready to pounce even tho Lebron is still playing with a bum ankle and groin. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
Don't waste your time |
Some posters just can't help themselves. Always ready to pounce even tho Lebron is still playing with a bum ankle and groin. |
Lets see. how many games has he missed so far? Wasnt he questionable with weak ankle soreness? Ad needs a young buck to run with. That way bron can rest.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
Don't waste your time |
Some posters just can't help themselves. Always ready to pounce even tho Lebron is still playing with a bum ankle and groin. |
We have a few posters on this board who care more about Lebron failing than the Lakers winning. I've seen one of these guys pop up on threads that have absolutely nothing to do about Lebron and gratuitously slam him because that's all this guy does. Of course, when LeBron plays well, he disappears and licks his wounds.
There's nothing wrong with criticizing Lebron, of course. I do a tons myself. But a few of these guys are so one note and ungrounded in reality that they are just eye glazingly boring |
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| And vise-versa, we've got a few guys on this site that care more about lebron winning than the Lakers failing. I personally view scouring the internet for remotely negative comments about someone you don't know and will never meet pretty weak. From a Lakers perspective, 3 out of the 4 years he's been here have been a failure. Let's see how this one ends up. |
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| kwase wrote: | | And vise-versa, we've got a few guys on this site that care more about lebron winning than the Lakers failing. I personally view scouring the internet for remotely negative comments about someone you don't know and will never meet pretty weak. From a Lakers perspective, 3 out of the 4 years he's been here have been a failure. Let's see how this one ends up. |
3 of the 4 years didn’t go as planned MAINLY due to injuries. We never got to see what any of those teams could do for the most part. Not saying we would’ve won titles in all those years (2020,2021 are the only years we had a squad capable of doing so, up til this point) Lebron didn’t fail us, injuries did. |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | kwase wrote: | | And vise-versa, we've got a few guys on this site that care more about lebron winning than the Lakers failing. I personally view scouring the internet for remotely negative comments about someone you don't know and will never meet pretty weak. From a Lakers perspective, 3 out of the 4 years he's been here have been a failure. Let's see how this one ends up. |
3 of the 4 years didn’t go as planned MAINLY due to injuries. We never got to see what any of those teams could do for the most part. Not saying we would’ve won titles in all those years (2020,2021 are the only years we had a squad capable of doing so, up til this point) Lebron didn’t fail us, injuries did. |
And it wasn't only injuries to Lebron. The second best player on those teams also got hurt.
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| miggz23 wrote: | | PenG_ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
This is like putting GS going into lottery 2 yrs ago on curry, not on the roster. LeBron is a capable #2 |
Don't waste your time |
Some posters just can't help themselves. Always ready to pounce even tho Lebron is still playing with a bum ankle and groin. |
Playing quite well too I might add.
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| kwase wrote: | | And vise-versa, we've got a few guys on this site that care more about lebron winning than the Lakers failing. I personally view scouring the internet for remotely negative comments about someone you don't know and will never meet pretty weak. From a Lakers perspective, 3 out of the 4 years he's been here have been a failure. Let's see how this one ends up. |
You are the worst offender of the type.
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
You just can't help yourself, huh?
I'm a Lakers fan first, so I'm not wedded to loving/hating a particular player b/c of stan-hood.
His being 1A led us to a championship, but that was also alongside a nuclear AD in 2020. You act as if AD was playing at that level post 2020 as well, and/or discount the terrible job this front office has done since 2020. Then in 2019, BI/Zo, two of the best players besides LBJ, missed more time due to injuries. But of course you don't want that context either.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
You just can't help yourself, huh?
I'm a Lakers fan first, so I'm not wedded to loving/hating a particular player b/c of stan-hood.
His being 1A led us to a championship, but that was also alongside a nuclear AD in 2020. You act as if AD was playing at that level post 2020 as well, and/or discount the terrible job this front office has done since 2020. Then in 2019, BI/Zo, two of the best players besides LBJ, missed more time due to injuries. But of course you don't want that context either. |
Im only a lakers fan.
If the only season you can point to is one that was unlike any other I don't know what to tell you. You seem to caveat everything about Bron being a laker.
Bron is old, breaks down, and is nowhere near worth his salary. Where are those cries?
AD up until this point and without the luxury of the season unlike any other has been a disappointment. Not debatable. AD has broken through. He is legitimately our best player and its not close.
Bron year 1- lottery
Year 2- Bubble= Title
Year 3- 1st round bounce
Year 4- Lottery ( Lets not forget he said that year wasn't a failure)
Year 5- Lets see but clearly a second fiddle and not an ideal one next to AD.
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As a Lakers fan, I'm appreciative that LBJ did what prime Melo/DROZ/PG13 and countless others didn't do post Kobe. Step up to the challenge to fill that massive vacuum. He did it. So that's a primary reason why you won't hear me complain as much about him.
You seem to think basketball is singularly about one player. It's a bigger picture issue. The front office has been chaotic in its decision making and thought process post championship. They have squandered a lot IMO of the LBJ/AD years.
I find it hilarious that you blame LBJ for year 1, when literally our #2/3 players were out with injuries way more than he was. Where's that caveat?
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^^^Using Yinoma’s post as a jumpoff, I’m just going to give my unsolicited 2cents on this….
8 straight Finals with 2 orgs before getting to LA …can’t dispute that as fluky
1 bubble run flanked with postseason ineligibilities, a play-in and 1st round bounce…can dispute the ring as fluky
So other than age rob’n Bron of a glorious twilight to a storied career, what’s been the major issue stopping Bron’s Finals run?
Y’all already know.
And let’s say he had his LeGM cap on, didn’t he prove he could get it done with those other organizations by going to the Finals 8 straight times? But then suddenly his brains get scrambled when he comes here? That’s quite the story.
So whether it’s injury, him being the robin now to bADman or just him suddenly losing his GM cap know how, y’all should already know what it is. There’s been one common -link- in this story.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^^^Using Yinoma’s post as a jumpoff, I’m just going to give my unsolicited 2cents on this….
8 straight Finals with 2 orgs before getting to LA …can’t dispute that as fluky
1 bubble run flanked with postseason ineligibilities, a play-in and 1st round bounce…can dispute the ring as fluky
So other than age rob’n Bron of a glorious twilight to a storied career, what’s been the major issue stopping Bron’s Finals run?
Y’all already know.
And let’s say he had his LeGM cap on, didn’t he prove he could get it done with those other organizations by going to the Finals 8 straight times? But then suddenly his brains get scrambled when he comes here? That’s quite the story.
So whether it’s injury, him being the robin now to bADman or just him suddenly losing his GM cap know how, y’all should already know what it is. There’s been one common -link- in this story. |
Yup.
Get LBJ/AD with a league average level front office, I think they are most likely not missing playoffs or starting out 2-10 b/c of inept front office decisions.
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | It should be AD as the main guy. But goodness, at age 37, to still be in consideration for the 1A option next to a nuclear AD who is in his prime is in and of itself, pretty impressive. |
he's not a 1A option. he led us to the lottery as the 1A. he led us to a stinky start to the season. Only when he got hurt and AD was forced into 1A was when we started to click. |
You just can't help yourself, huh?
I'm a Lakers fan first, so I'm not wedded to loving/hating a particular player b/c of stan-hood.
His being 1A led us to a championship, but that was also alongside a nuclear AD in 2020. You act as if AD was playing at that level post 2020 as well, and/or discount the terrible job this front office has done since 2020. Then in 2019, BI/Zo, two of the best players besides LBJ, missed more time due to injuries. But of course you don't want that context either. |
Im only a lakers fan.
If the only season you can point to is one that was unlike any other I don't know what to tell you. You seem to caveat everything about Bron being a laker.
Bron is old, breaks down, and is nowhere near worth his salary. Where are those cries?
AD up until this point and without the luxury of the season unlike any other has been a disappointment. Not debatable. AD has broken through. He is legitimately our best player and its not close.
Bron year 1- lottery
Year 2- Bubble= Title
Year 3- 1st round bounce
Year 4- Lottery ( Lets not forget he said that year wasn't a failure)
Year 5- Lets see but clearly a second fiddle and not an ideal one next to AD. |
LeBron was one season removed from 8 straight Finals runs, without so much as a bruise along the way. Using the circumstances of the Bubble against that guy of all people feels remarkably disingenuous.
You'll disagree, gaslight me, then do it over and over again. Common pattern among many here. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | ^^^Using Yinoma’s post as a jumpoff, I’m just going to give my unsolicited 2cents on this….
8 straight Finals with 2 orgs before getting to LA …can’t dispute that as fluky
1 bubble run flanked with postseason ineligibilities, a play-in and 1st round bounce…can dispute the ring as fluky
So other than age rob’n Bron of a glorious twilight to a storied career, what’s been the major issue stopping Bron’s Finals run?
Y’all already know.
And let’s say he had his LeGM cap on, didn’t he prove he could get it done with those other organizations by going to the Finals 8 straight times? But then suddenly his brains get scrambled when he comes here? That’s quite the story.
So whether it’s injury, him being the robin now to bADman or just him suddenly losing his GM cap know how, y’all should already know what it is. There’s been one common -link- in this story. |
Yup.
Get LBJ/AD with a league average level front office, I think they are most likely not missing playoffs or starting out 2-10 b/c of inept front office decisions. |
Our front office is bad no doubt, but I think the biggest reason we have not been making the playoffs is injuries to Davis and injuries/age for Lebron. This team outside of Lebron and Davis is still bad, but when those 2 play we win more. |
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