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kikanga
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He's not really great at anything. That's why I think his PER is consistently below league average.
Other players have helped championship teams by being jacks of all trades though.
But Kuzma's poor decision making skills and the constant nervous energy he plays with makes him unreliable. Especially in high leverage situations.
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Kuz Fashion statements
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Kyle Kuzma's jeans have NBA team logos stitched onto them, giving us the rare circumstance that a Lakers player is on the bench while wearing the Celtics logo ... and the Clippers ... and the Sixers ... and the Knicks.
https://twitter.com/billoram/status/1391588311261536259?s=21 |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| TDRock wrote: | Kuz Fashion statements
Per Oram
Kyle Kuzma's jeans have NBA team logos stitched onto them, giving us the rare circumstance that a Lakers player is on the bench while wearing the Celtics logo ... and the Clippers ... and the Sixers ... and the Knicks.
https://twitter.com/billoram/status/1391588311261536259?s=21 |
Ok , what the hell??? |
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Killer_Z
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | He's not really great at anything. That's why I think his PER is consistently below league average.
Other players have helped championship teams by being jacks of all trades though.
But Kuzma's poor decision making skills and the constant nervous energy he plays with makes him unreliable. Especially in high leverage situations. |
Well said |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | He's not really great at anything. That's why I think his PER is consistently below league average.
Other players have helped championship teams by being jacks of all trades though.
But Kuzma's poor decision making skills and the constant nervous energy he plays with makes him unreliable. Especially in high leverage situations. |
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Kuz is an average NBA player. He has a charismatic personality, and sometimes goes on scoring binges, so he can seem to be more than he is.
There are still people who cling to the notion of him as a rookie with enormous potential, and who think the rest of the NBA is salivating to trade for him.
But at this point, he really is nothing more than a overpaid, soon-to-be-26-year-old journeyman.
He started out of the box well, but he's been lapped by a lot of guys in his draft class and he doesn't seem quite the draft steal that he once did |
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Lakerwayne
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At one point he did seem to have an elite skill : scoring
But his scoring has been lesser with the role and roster changes and too inconsistent this year. I believe there is a chance he could regain/improve his scoring ability and consistency next year and if so that makes him a different kind of player then the jack of all trades he is now. I’m not saying it’s for sure gonna happen but only that it could happen and that I do hold out some hope for that. He certainly has shown the ability to improve, but the team has had him focusing more in the areas of defense and rebounding than in scoring |
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E_Wulf420
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Really wish we traded him instead of Zo or BI.
Were any teams high on Kuzma a couple of summers ago? Maybe a 3 team trade would've been enough to keep one of those two instead.
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leking006
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| I think B-Mac and Wes are more consistent in their role than Kuzma. With B-Mac everytime he shoot those 3s, I am confident that their is a high % it will go in, while with Wes, he will always be consistent on his defense vs the other teams best wings. Meanwhile, we really don't know what we are getting on Kuzma every game. |
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PayasoLoco
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| leking006 wrote: | | I think B-Mac and Wes are more consistent in their role than Kuzma. With B-Mac everytime he shoot those 3s, I am confident that their is a high % it will go in, while with Wes, he will always be consistent on his defense vs the other teams best wings. Meanwhile, we really don't know what we are getting on Kuzma every game. |
One game but the team looked much better without him out there. He’ll be needed as a defender at some point but bench/coming off the bench is his best position |
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Ksig
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Hmm. maybe we shouldnt trade him after all.  |
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Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench.
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Pleasant when posts in this thread are about basketball and not judgements about Kuz's fashion/hair |
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LakersInFour
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Predictably, the Kuzma haters are nowhere to be found.
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AirTupac
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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He's a pretty dumb guy overall. Good game. Bonehead though.
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leking006
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Predictably, the Kuzma haters are nowhere to be found. |
Nope he's still a box of chocolates. Inconsistent players will cause the Lakers some playoffs losses. |
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leking006
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| 32 wrote: | | Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench. |
Most of them in the 1st half, he disappeared in the 2nd. Inconsistent. |
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench. |
Most of them in the 1st half, he disappeared in the 2nd. Inconsistent. |
Defense was very consistent and a huge reason we won the game. He's a role player.. If he scored 24 a night consistently he'd be a legit star making twice what he does. We need Lebron and AD to be super consistent offensively with the rest of the team staying consistent on the defensive end like last year and we'll be good. The role players will play musical chairs on a game to game basis which we have the guys that can do it. |
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Ksig
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hype wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench. |
Most of them in the 1st half, he disappeared in the 2nd. Inconsistent. |
Defense was very consistent and a huge reason we won the game. He's a role player.. If he scored 24 a night consistently he'd be a legit star making twice what he does. We need Lebron and AD to be super consistent offensively with the rest of the team staying consistent on the defensive end like last year and we'll be good. The role players will play musical chairs on a game to game basis which we have the guys that can do it. |
I dont get it. Leads the team in scoring, plays great defense. 50% 3 pt shooting. Hes a role player that is asked to step up like a star when we're short handed, and more often than not he steps up and delivers good scoring games. Hes on a good contract, what more people want? |
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Kobe_Is_King13
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| Ksig wrote: | | hype wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench. |
Most of them in the 1st half, he disappeared in the 2nd. Inconsistent. |
Defense was very consistent and a huge reason we won the game. He's a role player.. If he scored 24 a night consistently he'd be a legit star making twice what he does. We need Lebron and AD to be super consistent offensively with the rest of the team staying consistent on the defensive end like last year and we'll be good. The role players will play musical chairs on a game to game basis which we have the guys that can do it. |
I dont get it. Leads the team in scoring, plays great defense. 50% 3 pt shooting. Hes a role player that is asked to step up like a star when we're short handed, and more often than not he steps up and delivers good scoring games. Hes on a good contract, what more people want? |
He's still is suffering from early career expectations. He was so good his rookie and sophomore years that the expectations for him were too high for him to achieve. People are expecting him to be MPJ, Randle, DLo, Tatum, Ingram level as his first two years indicated that he might be that.
Too many folks have yet to reset their expectations to consider he's not and likely won't ever be on any of their levels. But he's still plenty valuable. |
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PayasoLoco
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| good game from kuz we need this kind of production |
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leking006
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| Ksig wrote: | | hype wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Good offensive game tonight. He led the team in scoring with 23 points off the bench. |
Most of them in the 1st half, he disappeared in the 2nd. Inconsistent. |
Defense was very consistent and a huge reason we won the game. He's a role player.. If he scored 24 a night consistently he'd be a legit star making twice what he does. We need Lebron and AD to be super consistent offensively with the rest of the team staying consistent on the defensive end like last year and we'll be good. The role players will play musical chairs on a game to game basis which we have the guys that can do it. |
I dont get it. Leads the team in scoring, plays great defense. 50% 3 pt shooting. Hes a role player that is asked to step up like a star when we're short handed, and more often than not he steps up and delivers good scoring games. Hes on a good contract, what more people want? |
Great defense? where? That's his main problem, if hes not hitting his shots, he became a liability. If he's a great defender, why did they opted for Wes in the last minutes instead of him. smh |
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leking006
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| guys here overrating kuzma saying he's a great defender when he's not even decent. smh |
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leking006
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | good game from kuz we need this kind of production |
yup once in probably 5 games. |
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Too many folks have yet to reset their expectations to consider he's not and likely won't ever be on any of their levels. But he's still plenty valuable. |
Your explanation fits. The thing I don't understand about these people is that the guy gets paid like a role player, meaning he himself has accepted that he's a role player and not a star.
Oh, and role players are inconsistent, by definition. If they were consistent, they wouldn't be role players! |
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LakersInFour
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People that do not acknowledge Kuz as an asset are either ignorant or disingenuous.
Since it's pretty clear that at least some of you have no idea what you're looking at (or are plucking stat lines from a box score without context), I'll just highlight DancingBarry's analysis from last night to make things easy for you (emphasis mine):
| DancingBarry wrote: | Kuzma --  -- “I never thought I’d play point guard in the NBA, but here we are,” Kuzma said. Two halves for Kuzma tonight. He led the team in scoring in the first half with 18 points on 7-10 shooting. He just got after in that second quarter with 16. He got his first bucket when his man went to go help on AD who didn’t even have the ball yet, we swung it to Kuz and he quickly attacked the closeout for the layup. He hit a three on a THT drive and dish. He turned the corner with a quick first step past Bullock and scored a layup. He then sank another three that started on an AD double, but was a bad pass that we recovered. He’d attack off the three line and score an And-1 layup over Julius. He drilled a three in early offense, just rising up quick. He’d then hit a circus fade on a drive left when he was expecting a whistle that didn’t come. Aggressive, decisive and effective. Before his flurry of scores, he was missing some reads on passes. The D was making him look a little uncomfortable with that and it’s possible he just switched gears into score mode. Didn’t matter. In the second half, he came in for THT who started at point. So Kuz was bringing the ball up and getting us into the offense, new role whether you like it or not. We even ran some Iverson cuts for him like we do for Schröder (these were really designed as a decoy). It’s just very, very tough to be that utility guy who needs to do something different for you all the time. He is getting better at it, but if you wanted that same high-octane scoring you saw in the first half, it just became harder. On his only three in the second half, he got the team into the offense and as the ball was cycling around, he then could switch back into his scoring role and he hit a three on a kicking. He’d get his other score on a slow Euro step around defenders for a layup. The Stats: He scored 23 points on 9-17 shooting (4-8 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 33 minutes. He was a -11.
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Kuz has willingly stepped in to fill EVERY single role this team has required of him on a night to night basis.
- Spread the floor as a 3 point sniper
- Lead the team in scoring
- Defend perimeter scorers
- Rebound
- Get others involved
- Bring the ball up and initiate the offense
The only things I can't recall him being asked to do is anchor and/or protect the rim on defense. Until this year he has never been asked to be a primary ball handler/playmaker, so his scoring has usually been dependent on others setting him up. Even at full strength this year we don't have a lot of that skillset behind Lebron. Schroeder is usually looking for his own shot. AC isn't a playmaker, and THT is more of a scorer, while building his playmaking skillset.
That's LONG list of things to do, and most nights Kuz does 2-3 of the things on that list very well. If he could consistently fill 3-4 of those responsibilities well we'd be looking at our "Big Three" with Kuz as a near All-Star level player. As it stands, in terms of talent and ability Kuz is probably the fifth best player on our team - Bron, AD, Schroeder, Drummond - and possibly behind THT. Which means he isn't getting priority in the scheming - he just steps in and fills whatever role the coaching staff has left over from the primary weapons.
All this from a guy that is currently making $3,562,178 as a late first rounder in the last year of his rookie deal.
Go ahead, tell us DB doesn't know what he's talking about.
I'll wait.
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