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yinoma2001
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So that Evan Massey dude is reporting that we are gonna go after T.J. McConnell in FA. |
With Caruso on board, it makes no sense. |
Unless they think he's leaving.
TJ is a better passer and caretaker, and a defensive pest, but his scoring/shooting is not the best. Would we use our 6m mini MLE on him? Seems like an odd move but I don't trust Evan Massey with any breaking scoops. Perhaps TJ using the good old "Lakers are interested in..." thing to drum up his value.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So that Evan Massey dude is reporting that we are gonna go after T.J. McConnell in FA. |
With Caruso on board, it makes no sense. |
Unless they think he's leaving.
TJ is a better passer and caretaker, and a defensive pest, but his scoring/shooting is not the best. Would we use our 6m mini MLE on him? Seems like an odd move but I don't trust Evan Massey with any breaking scoops. Perhaps TJ using the good old "Lakers are interested in..." thing to drum up his value. |
Caruso is the better player. Personally I think it looks bad if Caruso isn't kept for at least an MLE type contract.
We have his bird rights.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So that Evan Massey dude is reporting that we are gonna go after T.J. McConnell in FA. |
With Caruso on board, it makes no sense. |
Unless they think he's leaving.
TJ is a better passer and caretaker, and a defensive pest, but his scoring/shooting is not the best. Would we use our 6m mini MLE on him? Seems like an odd move but I don't trust Evan Massey with any breaking scoops. Perhaps TJ using the good old "Lakers are interested in..." thing to drum up his value. |
Caruso is the better player. Personally I think it looks bad if Caruso isn't kept for at least an MLE type contract.
We have his bird rights. |
Personally i find hard to imagine he isnt a priority. Plus, Tell me another city where he could make his off the court cash like LA. hes a young balding pale accountant that is seen everywhere. He is a cult hero in vain of young rambis. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | So that Evan Massey dude is reporting that we are gonna go after T.J. McConnell in FA. |
With Caruso on board, it makes no sense. |
Unless they think he's leaving.
TJ is a better passer and caretaker, and a defensive pest, but his scoring/shooting is not the best. Would we use our 6m mini MLE on him? Seems like an odd move but I don't trust Evan Massey with any breaking scoops. Perhaps TJ using the good old "Lakers are interested in..." thing to drum up his value. |
Caruso is the better player. Personally I think it looks bad if Caruso isn't kept for at least an MLE type contract.
We have his bird rights. |
Personally i find hard to imagine he isnt a priority. Plus, Tell me another city where he could make his off the court cash like LA. hes a young balding pale accountant that is seen everywhere. He is a cult hero in vain of young rambis. |
He’s a keeper long term and will be shock if we did not try to do everything in our power to bring him back. If we cater to Schroder and his demands, then a proven player like Caruso is a must. |
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Some guys that we could take a flier on for cheap to boost depth and potentially address needs:
Dennis Smith, Jr.
Denzel Valentine
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Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Bobby Portis/Bryn Forbes (they probably both played themselves into bigger contracts, but who knows)
Mo Harkless
Wayne Ellington
Austin Rivers
Raul Neto
Harry Giles
SVI (if the Pistons somehow let him go...) |
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| I’m a big fan of Dennis Smith Jr., but he doesn’t fit Vogel’s defensive schemes, so they can’t offer him a starting gig, well, they can, but it would be repeat of Schroder. He would be interesting as a leader of the second unit, especially if another team nabs THT. |
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TheBlackMamba
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | I’m a big fan of Dennis Smith Jr., but he doesn’t fit Vogel’s defensive schemes, so they can’t offer him a starting gig, well, they can, but it would be repeat of Schroder. He would be interesting as a leader of the second unit, especially if another team nabs THT. |
Yeah. I'd definitely slot him into that type of bench role, since he's not close to a starter right now, with or without THT. That would be a pretty fun combo, actually, but also incredibly frustrating at times...
Also, regarding Vogel's defensive schemes, they need to go away from targeting only players that fit that ideal (if that's indeed what they're doing). The bottom line is that without AD, the defensive schemes don't mean (bleep), as we saw against the Suns. And if you're only getting players that can play defense but are otherwise deficient on the other end, then your offense isn't going to be good enough to win, either.
If Vogel can't make players fit his system (especially when he's been gifted with an anchor like AD), instead of the other way around, then he has no business being head coach when defensive acumen is the main thing he brings to the table. Basically, he should be doing the opposite and getting players that can mask his deficiencies on offense, while focusing on making those players work on defense within his schemes. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | Some guys that we could take a flier on for cheap to boost depth and potentially address needs:
Dennis Smith, Jr.
Denzel Valentine
WCS
Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Bobby Portis/Bryn Forbes (they probably both played themselves into bigger contracts, but who knows)
Mo Harkless
Wayne Ellington
Austin Rivers
Raul Neto
Harry Giles
SVI (if the Pistons somehow let him go...) |
Svi got traded to the OKC thunder and i think he is looking for a new contract. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | Some guys that we could take a flier on for cheap to boost depth and potentially address needs:
Dennis Smith, Jr.
Denzel Valentine
WCS
Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Bobby Portis/Bryn Forbes (they probably both played themselves into bigger contracts, but who knows)
Mo Harkless
Wayne Ellington
Austin Rivers
Raul Neto
Harry Giles
SVI (if the Pistons somehow let him go...) |
A lot of those guys are gonna want more then the vet minimum.. Malik Monk/Austin Rivers/Bobby Portis. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | Some guys that we could take a flier on for cheap to boost depth and potentially address needs:
Dennis Smith, Jr.
WCS
Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Mo Harkless
Wayne Ellington
Austin Rivers
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ill take these guys. |
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Mike@LG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just Portis and Harkless for me.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | Some guys that we could take a flier on for cheap to boost depth and potentially address needs:
Dennis Smith, Jr.
Denzel Valentine
WCS
Frank Ntilikina
Malik Monk
Bobby Portis/Bryn Forbes (they probably both played themselves into bigger contracts, but who knows)
Mo Harkless
Wayne Ellington
Austin Rivers
Raul Neto
Harry Giles
SVI (if the Pistons somehow let him go...) |
A lot of those guys are gonna want more then the vet minimum.. Malik Monk/Austin Rivers/Bobby Portis. |
Yeah, Portis is probably going to get $10 million a year. |
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leking006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo Ball? Cp3? |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | Lonzo Ball? Cp3? |
I would love zo back. His 3balls are back to UCLA days |
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leking006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | I’m a big fan of Dennis Smith Jr., but he doesn’t fit Vogel’s defensive schemes, so they can’t offer him a starting gig, well, they can, but it would be repeat of Schroder. He would be interesting as a leader of the second unit, especially if another team nabs THT. |
The only PG that will fit Vogel are pg who can defend. Ball/CP3/Lowry/Jrue/Conley. Hoping they can get someone like that. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | Lonzo Ball? Cp3? |
I would love zo back. His 3balls are back to UCLA days |
Is it possible for the Lakers yo get him this season? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| FWIW.. LeBron seems to be keeping a close contact with Lonzo on Social Media and with the Dennis extension talks being a unknown maybe LeBron wants the FO to bring back his former PG. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | Lonzo Ball? Cp3? |
I would love zo back. His 3balls are back to UCLA days |
Is it possible for the Lakers yo get him this season? |
I am the absolute worst at understanding who can and can’t be an option. |
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Lakerz113
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Are we the only team who is incapable of making floaters in the lane? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakerz113 wrote: | | Are we the only team who is incapable of making floaters in the lane? |
and 3s. a lot of skill shots we don't make.. makes for a very robotic, predictable, stagnant offense. maybe we don't sign the most skilled role players, or it's something about the lights in LA. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Just Portis and Harkless for me. |
^Agree. I will add Batum to the list. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| leking006 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | I’m a big fan of Dennis Smith Jr., but he doesn’t fit Vogel’s defensive schemes, so they can’t offer him a starting gig, well, they can, but it would be repeat of Schroder. He would be interesting as a leader of the second unit, especially if another team nabs THT. |
The only PG that will fit Vogel are pg who can defend. Ball/CP3/Lowry/Jrue/Conley. Hoping they can get someone like that. |
Screw Vogel's schemes. You need more offense. you can only defend so much. |
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carjoch831
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| roger_federer wrote: |
Screw Vogel's schemes. You need more offense. you can only defend so much. |
Disagree. Offense will be hot/cold but defense will always be there. |
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Lakerz113
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| carjoch831 wrote: | | roger_federer wrote: |
Screw Vogel's schemes. You need more offense. you can only defend so much. |
Disagree. Offense will be hot/cold but defense will always be there. |
I hope so, but watching the playoffs this year seems like refs are calling it like the regular season. Every year players like Harden flame out, because playoff basketball is called different. This year seems like it’s the regular season.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | What did we get for JC? Was it a 1st and Isaiah Thomas? It's been so long.
Remember at that time everyone was pining for more picks, and there were some vocal IT fans here on LG. |
I think it was Clarkson and Nance for IT, Frye and a 2018 1st (#25) which was Mo Wagner. IT and Frye were basically washed at that point. It was a bad trade for us in a vacuum, but if you recall we were trying to clear space for 2 Max FA's....but we only signed Lebron. In hindsight, we could have waited to move Clarkson and Nance because we did not use the cap space created on a max player that offseason. |
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