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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | You get excited over about everyone. If you take a hard look at Jerami Grant, he isn't anything special. He's not a particularly good shooter. He takes a lot of shots on a bad team, but his efficiency is average. This TS% is below league average. He's a power forward who doesn't rebound much. His TRB% for this year is 7.8. That's slightly better than THT. The metrics rate him as average to below average defender. |
I think we should probably look more at his Denver years than his Detroit years. Because that is the proper role for him. A defensive forward who can score, hit open jumpers, switch and guard multiple positions.
I wouldn't consider him a power forward. He's more of a small forward who can play power forward.
While what you are saying is true about his true shooting percentage in Detroit, that's not really his role. He's on a bad team and being asked to carry a scoring load. We've seen his efficiency go way down as a result. He was a high 40s to low 50s shooter and an above average three point shooter (39% in his last two seasons before Detroit) before joining the Pistons. That would be his role here. I'd imagine his efficiency would go way up. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Curious all this talk about Grant. Where is it coming from? Don't we lack the assets to get this done? I haven't heard anything about Grant/LA having any significant chance of happening. We have THT, ok. One option is THT/Nunn/FRP package. Then, you're basically saying the team is going to cost 150M on 4 players? I don't see that happening.
If Grant is brought to LA, IMO, we're moving WB in the deal. It doesn't make sense to me how we could set a roster up around WB/Grant/Bron/AD.
Would the Pistons want Westbrook? I can't see the interest for them. They may want to do it if we add sweetners like a FRP, Monk (who they have a MLE to re-sign), Reaves etc. and we take on a bad contract from their side, which I don't see which one they have to offer. |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I don’t see how people aren’t exciting about Jerami Grant.. a legit 18-20PPG scorer that will help decrease the load on LeBron and Davis and can help us guard Curry/Booker/Harden and the other top tier scorers |
You get excited over about everyone. If you take a hard look at Jerami Grant, he isn't anything special. He's not a particularly good shooter. He takes a lot of shots on a bad team, but his efficiency is average. This TS% is below league average. He's a power forward who doesn't rebound much. His TRB% for this year is 7.8. That's slightly better than THT. The metrics rate him as average to below average defender.
To sum it up, his baseball card makes him look a lot better than he is. He's a 20 point scorer! Yes, he is. On the Pistons. I will grant you (pun intended) that he might be an upgrade for us, but that is only because we have a gaping hole at PF and SF. But if anyone gets excited about the idea of adding him to the roster, get ready for a disappointment. |
He wouldn't be coming here to be a volume scorer, though. He wouldn't even be coming here to be a lock down man defender. You nailed why he would have value on this team in your second paragraph. The Lakers wing rotation consists of 37 year old Lebron, 36 year old Trevor Ariza, and former South Bay Laker Stanley Johnson. As of now, Ariza and Johnson look like fringe rotation guys at best. Westbrook currently occupies the most minutes guarding the 3 position. This team is desperate for forward sized players that don't present obvious areas for opposing teams to attack. Any competent forward could change the complexion of this team once AD returns- even guys like Kenrich Williams and Thad Young. Grant is more than competent, he's a sought after commodity for a reason. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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AD23 wrote: | At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
Why would Houston do it? |
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textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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He is so full of it… |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | AD23 wrote: | At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
Why would Houston do it? |
Considering the money and contract length are the same. Houston isn't even letting Wall play. May as well pay and get some sort of return.
Houston has nothing to lose, neither do the Lakers. |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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He is implying that someone (likely WB) is being traded to Philly, but only a gullible fool would believe that. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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AD23 wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | AD23 wrote: | At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
Why would Houston do it? |
Considering the money and contract length are the same. Houston isn't even letting Wall play. May as well pay and get some sort of return.
Houston has nothing to lose, neither do the Lakers. |
Wall is happy to be sitting at home collecting checks (or at least he hasn’t made any noise against it publicly), WB might actually expect to play and whine about it if he doesn’t. There’s basically no incentive for Houston to make the trade, and the Lakers would be idiots if they gave them one by including picks or whatever. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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AD23 wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | AD23 wrote: | At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
Why would Houston do it? |
Considering the money and contract length are the same. Houston isn't even letting Wall play. May as well pay and get some sort of return.
Houston has nothing to lose, neither do the Lakers. |
Wall has accepted his career numbers/stats be frozen.
Westbrook never would. WB has all time great stats. Even if he isn't a good fit and his game is no longer impact in the NBA.
The Rockets may do it if you added some incentive. They'd be much more trouble for them to get WB to accept he won't play much if at all there. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Cuffs likes getting a kick out of people by tweeting weird stuff.. don’t look to much into it. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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cital wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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What does it even mean |
He is implying that someone (likely WB) is being traded to Philly, but only a gullible fool would believe that. |
Oh ok... A little slow here 😂 |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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AD23 wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | AD23 wrote: | At this point the Lakes should just try to do a Westbrook for Wall deal. |
Why would Houston do it? |
Considering the money and contract length are the same. Houston isn't even letting Wall play. May as well pay and get some sort of return.
Houston has nothing to lose, neither do the Lakers. |
And that's precisely why they wouldn't want Westbrook. Wall is happy as a clam earning those checks without playing. Westbrook would poison the waters and ruin whatever notion of "Letting their young guys develop". _________________ KOBE |
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rock0100 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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cital wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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What does it even mean |
He is implying that someone (likely WB) is being traded to Philly, but only a gullible fool would believe that. |
He could be talking smack to Philly Eagles fans because they just got slaughtered by Tampa Bay.
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Cuffs is a brady lover. His reference is to the eagles getting shellacked. _________________ "WEARESUCK" |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | You get excited over about everyone. If you take a hard look at Jerami Grant, he isn't anything special. He's not a particularly good shooter. He takes a lot of shots on a bad team, but his efficiency is average. This TS% is below league average. He's a power forward who doesn't rebound much. His TRB% for this year is 7.8. That's slightly better than THT. The metrics rate him as average to below average defender. |
I think we should probably look more at his Denver years than his Detroit years. Because that is the proper role for him. A defensive forward who can score, hit open jumpers, switch and guard multiple positions.
I wouldn't consider him a power forward. He's more of a small forward who can play power forward.
While what you are saying is true about his true shooting percentage in Detroit, that's not really his role. He's on a bad team and being asked to carry a scoring load. We've seen his efficiency go way down as a result. He was a high 40s to low 50s shooter and an above average three point shooter (39% in his last two seasons before Detroit) before joining the Pistons. That would be his role here. I'd imagine his efficiency would go way up. |
Okay, but IG was touting him as a scorer. If we look at him as a defensive SF, he’s still mediocre. The metrics when he was with Denver indicate that he was a below average defender. While he did have a couple years shooting .390-ish from three, he also had a .291 season and is .346 for his career.
He’s better than what we have, but that’s a low bar. He’d be better than Stanley Johnson or Trevor Ariza. However, if anyone thinks that this would be an “exciting” move, prepare to be disappointed. Presumably, we’d be sending out THT and Nunn plus some sort of draft asset. We’d get tagged for some extra luxury tax. Would the trade move the needle much? Hard to say, but maybe not. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | I don’t see how people aren’t exciting about Jerami Grant.. a legit 18-20PPG scorer that will help decrease the load on LeBron and Davis and can help us guard Curry/Booker/Harden and the other top tier scorers |
You get excited over about everyone. If you take a hard look at Jerami Grant, he isn't anything special. He's not a particularly good shooter. He takes a lot of shots on a bad team, but his efficiency is average. This TS% is below league average. He's a power forward who doesn't rebound much. His TRB% for this year is 7.8. That's slightly better than THT. The metrics rate him as average to below average defender.
To sum it up, his baseball card makes him look a lot better than he is. He's a 20 point scorer! Yes, he is. On the Pistons. I will grant you (pun intended) that he might be an upgrade for us, but that is only because we have a gaping hole at PF and SF. But if anyone gets excited about the
idea of adding him to the roster, get ready for a disappointment. |
With the assets we have unless we decide to blow it up, getting Grant should excite us because it will only take THT and Nunn.... you better hope that trade happens before another team jumps in with a better offer |
There’s already been reported offers that are better than the Lakers. |
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Dennis100mtrash wrote: | textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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Eagles lost? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Shocked Frank is still employed, coaches are usually the fall guys |
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SGVL1 wrote: | Shocked Frank is still employed, coaches are usually the fall guys |
Because we would have Fizdale taking over, why not wait until the off season? |
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | textbook wrote: | 73-9 and they LIED Chequered flag
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Eagles lost? |
Did they lose? _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Trade the entire team and start over. _________________ Everyting negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | SGVL1 wrote: | Shocked Frank is still employed, coaches are usually the fall guys |
Because we would have Fizdale taking over, why not wait until the off season? |
Yep. Unless we have a replacement lined up who could be expected to fix this mess, firing Vogel just deprives Pelinka and Jeanie of a scapegoat to fire once the season is over. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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