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LakerMindLA
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| AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Trade idea:
WB & AD to 76ers
Simmons, Grant, Olynyk to Lakers
Tobias Harris and future first to Detroit |
No maxey, no thybulle nothing from sixers
Morey gets the best player in the deal and dumps 70m remaining of Tobias contract |
He also gets the worst player in the deal and a negative asset in WB. |
Na AD has much more value than being a sweetener to trade Westbrook.
WB is only negative asset to fans. Haven’t heard a single article saying lakers are trying to get rid of RW |
Say what |
Post a recent link? |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/rockets-open-to-russell-westbrook-for-john-wall-trade-but-for-a-heavy-price-per-report/ |
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Rockets open to Russell Westbrook for John Wall trade, but for a heavy price, per report
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Where does it say lakers are looking to move on from Westbrook? All it says rockets open to trading for Westbrook |
LOL okay buddy |
Lakers can’t move on from WB because no one would take him unless we give up more assets. |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Trade idea:
WB & AD to 76ers
Simmons, Grant, Olynyk to Lakers
Tobias Harris and future first to Detroit |
No maxey, no thybulle nothing from sixers
Morey gets the best player in the deal and dumps 70m remaining of Tobias contract |
He also gets the worst player in the deal and a negative asset in WB. |
Na AD has much more value than being a sweetener to trade Westbrook.
WB is only negative asset to fans. Haven’t heard a single article saying lakers are trying to get rid of RW |
Say what |
Post a recent link? |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/rockets-open-to-russell-westbrook-for-john-wall-trade-but-for-a-heavy-price-per-report/ |
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Rockets open to Russell Westbrook for John Wall trade, but for a heavy price, per report
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Where does it say lakers are looking to move on from Westbrook? All it says rockets open to trading for Westbrook |
LOL okay buddy |
No one has a harder time takin dem Ls lol |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This is it, with Davis potentially returning tomorrow and with a couple of weeks left until the trade deadline the FO will really start evaluating the roster. |
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MJST
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When the Lakers make a trade it can't be to move an A- player for an A player. That's not even going to move the needle for us.
You don't do stuff like "Oh get Ben Simmons for Westbrook.." that doesn't solve anything. It just puts more of an offensive load on LeBron and gives you a guy in Simmons that has no offensive aggression and no three point shot. You are mad at Westbrook for taking threes or being 'too' aggressive at times? You'll see Ben Simmons do the opposite, and also suck at the free throw line. You DO NOT want that.
You do something like landing Myles Turner. THAT would be a difference, as he'd be a major upgrade to both Dwight and Deandre Jordan.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Trade idea:
WB & AD to 76ers
Simmons, Grant, Olynyk to Lakers
Tobias Harris and future first to Detroit |
No maxey, no thybulle nothing from sixers
Morey gets the best player in the deal and dumps 70m remaining of Tobias contract |
He also gets the worst player in the deal and a negative asset in WB. |
Na AD has much more value than being a sweetener to trade Westbrook.
WB is only negative asset to fans. Haven’t heard a single article saying lakers are trying to get rid of RW |
Say what |
Post a recent link? |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/rockets-open-to-russell-westbrook-for-john-wall-trade-but-for-a-heavy-price-per-report/ |
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Rockets open to Russell Westbrook for John Wall trade, but for a heavy price, per report
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Where does it say lakers are looking to move on from Westbrook? All it says rockets open to trading for Westbrook |
LOL okay buddy |
No one has a harder time takin dem Ls lol |
https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-reportedly-showed-covert-interest-in-trading-russell-westbrook-bas2121
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Halflife
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | Trade idea:
WB & AD to 76ers
Simmons, Grant, Olynyk to Lakers
Tobias Harris and future first to Detroit |
No maxey, no thybulle nothing from sixers
Morey gets the best player in the deal and dumps 70m remaining of Tobias contract |
He also gets the worst player in the deal and a negative asset in WB. |
Na AD has much more value than being a sweetener to trade Westbrook.
WB is only negative asset to fans. Haven’t heard a single article saying lakers are trying to get rid of RW |
Say what |
Post a recent link? |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/rockets-open-to-russell-westbrook-for-john-wall-trade-but-for-a-heavy-price-per-report/ |
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Rockets open to Russell Westbrook for John Wall trade, but for a heavy price, per report
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Where does it say lakers are looking to move on from Westbrook? All it says rockets open to trading for Westbrook |
LOL okay buddy |
No one has a harder time takin dem Ls lol |
https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-reportedly-showed-covert-interest-in-trading-russell-westbrook-bas2121
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we arent buying this. the layers a trade like this would have to go through are ridiculous.
I know jeanie loves Russ
then Bron
AD.
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levon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This is it, with Davis potentially returning tomorrow and with a couple of weeks left until the trade deadline the FO will really start evaluating the roster. |
and if they start losing bad, they'll let go of Frank. really critical stretch. everyone is healthy now except for Nunn |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This is it, with Davis potentially returning tomorrow and with a couple of weeks left until the trade deadline the FO will really start evaluating the roster. |
and if they start losing bad, they'll let go of Frank. really critical stretch. everyone is healthy now except for Nunn |
Not only Vogel but the team will likely blow it up if they can’t get there act together.. there is no more excuses if they still keep losing with Anthony Davis this roster will be revamped by the trade deadline |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline
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| Quote: | | The Pacers say Malcolm Brogdon (sore right Achilles) will be shut down for at least 10 days to rehab the injury. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline |
Huh? If the Lakers decided to field offers for AD that is exactly what a revamp is, he would bring a great haul |
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cital
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Man I wish Nunn was ready to go as well… |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline |
Huh? If the Lakers decided to field offers for AD that is exactly what a revamp is, he would bring a great haul |
come on now. We arent trading AD
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline |
Huh? If the Lakers decided to field offers for AD that is exactly what a revamp is, he would bring a great haul |
come on now. We arent trading AD |
Why not? Even a healthy LeBron and AD with the current supporting cast is a long shot winning a chip this year, can you expect LeBron repeating his mvp performance next season when he’s one year older? You don’t trade your non-alpha star player when his value starts to decline, you trade it at the peak to get the best haul, remember I said non-alpha star, not the steph curry, Dame, Giannis of the world. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline |
Huh? If the Lakers decided to field offers for AD that is exactly what a revamp is, he would bring a great haul |
They won’t, if anything they swap one min player for another. I just hope it doesn’t cost them Johnson.
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Halflife
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | We don’t have anything to revamp with at the deadline |
Huh? If the Lakers decided to field offers for AD that is exactly what a revamp is, he would bring a great haul |
come on now. We arent trading AD |
Why not? Even a healthy LeBron and AD with the current supporting cast is a long shot winning a chip this year, can you expect LeBron repeating his mvp performance next season when he’s one year older? You don’t trade your non-alpha star player when his value starts to decline, you trade it at the peak to get the best haul, remember I said non-alpha star, not the steph curry, Dame, Giannis of the world. |
Im sold. Lets do it.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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You get the best players you can for each position you have during free agency.
Pelinka went with a different strategy... he took the best players available regardless of position, fit, etc.
Now, he's stuck.
Got rid of defense and got Westbrook, Monk, Ellington, Anthony, Nunn, etc... in return... a revolving door to the basket.
Lakers needed to pick up one or two out of those five players above and then go after defensive talent. That is how you balance your roster and win Championships.
Bringing back Avery, Howard was a step in the right direction... but far too little to make a difference at this point.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This is it, with Davis potentially returning tomorrow and with a couple of weeks left until the trade deadline the FO will really start evaluating the roster. |
The 23-23 record vs an ass schedule didn’t give them enough analyzation? |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | When the Lakers make a trade it can't be to move an A- player for an A player. That's not even going to move the needle for us.
You don't do stuff like "Oh get Ben Simmons for Westbrook.." that doesn't solve anything. It just puts more of an offensive load on LeBron and gives you a guy in Simmons that has no offensive aggression and no three point shot. You are mad at Westbrook for taking threes or being 'too' aggressive at times? You'll see Ben Simmons do the opposite, and also suck at the free throw line. You DO NOT want that.
You do something like landing Myles Turner. THAT would be a difference, as he'd be a major upgrade to both Dwight and Deandre Jordan. |
Simmons is a better player than WB and bring something the Lakers dont have, a defensive stopper. He is also more of a potential mismatch and is a threat at the dunker spot, where we try to hide WB.
Lakers can also surround Lebron with 3 other shooters and not play small when playing Simmons. They can’t with WB.
Simmons, Lebron, Grant could be interesting. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: |
No one has a harder time takin dem Ls lol |
Oh ok |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| cital wrote: | | Man I wish Nunn was ready to go as well… |
He'll be 100% the day after the trade deadline <cue conspiracy music>.  |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: |
No one has a harder time takin dem Ls lol |
Oh ok |
wasn’t directed at you jim relax |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | When the Lakers make a trade it can't be to move an A- player for an A player. That's not even going to move the needle for us.
You don't do stuff like "Oh get Ben Simmons for Westbrook.." that doesn't solve anything. It just puts more of an offensive load on LeBron and gives you a guy in Simmons that has no offensive aggression and no three point shot. You are mad at Westbrook for taking threes or being 'too' aggressive at times? You'll see Ben Simmons do the opposite, and also suck at the free throw line. You DO NOT want that.
You do something like landing Myles Turner. THAT would be a difference, as he'd be a major upgrade to both Dwight and Deandre Jordan. |
I think it's unlikely that we will be able to get Simmons for Westbrook or that we will be able to get Turner. I think the Lakers would do either deal in a heartbeat, but we won't be able to offer a good enough deal for the pacers or the 76ers.
Right now, my guess is the Lakers are crossing their fingers and hoping the Pistons don't get a better offer for Grant than THT, Nunn and the pick.
if that doesn't happen, my guess is we won't end up making a significant deal. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | MJST wrote: | When the Lakers make a trade it can't be to move an A- player for an A player. That's not even going to move the needle for us.
You don't do stuff like "Oh get Ben Simmons for Westbrook.." that doesn't solve anything. It just puts more of an offensive load on LeBron and gives you a guy in Simmons that has no offensive aggression and no three point shot. You are mad at Westbrook for taking threes or being 'too' aggressive at times? You'll see Ben Simmons do the opposite, and also suck at the free throw line. You DO NOT want that.
You do something like landing Myles Turner. THAT would be a difference, as he'd be a major upgrade to both Dwight and Deandre Jordan. |
Simmons is a better player than WB and bring something the Lakers dont have, a defensive stopper. He is also more of a potential mismatch and is a threat at the dunker spot, where we try to hide WB.
Lakers can also surround Lebron with 3 other shooters and not play small when playing Simmons. They can’t with WB.
Simmons, Lebron, Grant could be interesting. |
I think a Simmons for Westbrook deal is very unlikely to happen. If it does, I think we would have to include our next first round pick, which would effectively kill a deal for Grant. it's hard for me to imagine a realistic scenario where we could get both Simmons and Grant with our assets unless we include AD in some way, which I also think is unlikely. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | MJST wrote: | When the Lakers make a trade it can't be to move an A- player for an A player. That's not even going to move the needle for us.
You don't do stuff like "Oh get Ben Simmons for Westbrook.." that doesn't solve anything. It just puts more of an offensive load on LeBron and gives you a guy in Simmons that has no offensive aggression and no three point shot. You are mad at Westbrook for taking threes or being 'too' aggressive at times? You'll see Ben Simmons do the opposite, and also suck at the free throw line. You DO NOT want that.
You do something like landing Myles Turner. THAT would be a difference, as he'd be a major upgrade to both Dwight and Deandre Jordan. |
Simmons is a better player than WB and bring something the Lakers dont have, a defensive stopper. He is also more of a potential mismatch and is a threat at the dunker spot, where we try to hide WB.
Lakers can also surround Lebron with 3 other shooters and not play small when playing Simmons. They can’t with WB.
Simmons, Lebron, Grant could be interesting. |
I think a Simmons for Westbrook deal is very unlikely to happen. If it does, I think we would have to include our next first round pick, which would effectively kill a deal for Grant. it's hard for me to imagine a realistic scenario where we could get both Simmons and Grant with our assets unless we include AD in some way, which I also think is unlikely. |
Seems like are implying trading AD by saying "Simmons, Lebron, Grant." |
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