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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Nets and Lakers this season have all but proven that you should never give up too many draft picks for aging superstars. Other than Lebron, any player over 30 shouldn't be making max money. For every Lebron and Steph, you'd get a Kawhi, Harden, Kyrie, Westbrick, Klay. |
I would kill to have Kawhi and Klay on the Lakers these guys are proven winners just can’t stay healthy for the long term similar to AD. |
What's the point of proven winners if they can't even stay healthy? The massive contracts just do not justify it. I would much rather build a team around a collective of talents rather than focusing on a few superstars. A deep team with spread out talents will be less affected by injury to any one player.
With the increased physicality of the game, injuries have become more common in the NBA. If injuries are more common, then it's much better to not put most of our eggs in one or two baskets but rather spread them out. |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| The risk of having them is beneficial if they stay healthy in a significant way, this is why people aren’t so quick to get rid of AD because if he’s remotely healthy the positives outweigh everything that is negative. |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Nets and Lakers this season have all but proven that you should never give up too many draft picks for aging superstars. Other than Lebron, any player over 30 shouldn't be making max money. For every Lebron and Steph, you'd get a Kawhi, Harden, Kyrie, Westbrick, Klay. |
I would kill to have Kawhi and Klay on the Lakers these guys are proven winners just can’t stay healthy for the long term similar to AD. |
What's the point of proven winners if they can't even stay healthy? The massive contracts just do not justify it. I would much rather build a team around a collective of talents rather than focusing on a few superstars. A deep team with spread out talents will be less affected by injury to any one player.
With the increased physicality of the game, injuries have become more common in the NBA. If injuries are more common, then it's much better to not put most of our eggs in one or two baskets but rather spread them out. |
I'd pass on both Klay & Kawhi. Klay has lost a step or two but remains a great shooter, Kawhi is anyone's guess.
I'd much prefer to get younger-stronger-taller, while trying to find that next generational player than to continue investing in guys that are one hop away from the injured list.
That's me, anyway.
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| Quote: | Joel “Troel” Embiid
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Doc's about to lose Embiid too.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Nets and Lakers this season have all but proven that you should never give up too many draft picks for aging superstars. Other than Lebron, any player over 30 shouldn't be making max money. For every Lebron and Steph, you'd get a Kawhi, Harden, Kyrie, Westbrick, Klay. |
I would kill to have Kawhi and Klay on the Lakers these guys are proven winners just can’t stay healthy for the long term similar to AD. |
What's the point of proven winners if they can't even stay healthy? The massive contracts just do not justify it. I would much rather build a team around a collective of talents rather than focusing on a few superstars. A deep team with spread out talents will be less affected by injury to any one player.
With the increased physicality of the game, injuries have become more common in the NBA. If injuries are more common, then it's much better to not put most of our eggs in one or two baskets but rather spread them out. |
I'd pass on both Klay & Kawhi. Klay has lost a step or two but remains a great shooter, Kawhi is anyone's guess.
I'd much prefer to get younger-stronger-taller, while trying to find that next generational player than to continue investing in guys that are one hop away from the injured list.
That's me, anyway. |
Good plan but it doesn’t fit the Buss “star” plan. Evidently a 35 yo big name is preferable to some unknown young talented players.
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Bradley beat getting 5 years 250M+?
Teams having to pay big money for mid players.
It's going to be so good when/if expansion happens.
Speaking of expansion, personally, I like having 30 teams and 5 teams per division and 3 divisions per conference. Unless they're going for 32 teams and 4 teams per division with 4 divisions per conference. Kick Minnesota to the Eastern Conference.
Western Conference:
North West:
Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, Las Vegas
Pacific:
Golden State, Lakers, Clippers, Phoenix
Rockies:
Utah, Denver, Oklahoma, Dallas
South West:
San Antonio, Houston, New Orleans, Memphis
Eastern Conference:
Atlantic
Boston, New York, Brooklyn, Philadelphia
Central
Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana
North
Toronto, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington
South East
Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta
Not perfect, but I guess it can work.
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The NBA should just get rid of divisions. They’re a vestige of the days when the league was smaller. The divisions meant something back then.
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| epic_ wrote: | Bradley beat getting 5 years 250M+?
Teams having to pay big money for mid players.
It's going to be so good when/if expansion happens. |
The reality is in a 30 team league, the best players on many teams will be no better than the 20th best player in the league. And those guys are going to be max salaries because of the way the system is set up.
It's easy to say teams should not pay a Bradley Beal a max salary. However, if you are faced with giving Bradley Beal a max salary or letting him walk and not having any star to replace him with, you'll probably bite the bullet and do it.
You won't be a contender, but at least you'll have someone to market to fans. |
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| Does anyone know if their might be extra urgency by the Lakers FO if the Celtics end up winning the title? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Does anyone know if their might be extra urgency by the Lakers FO if the Celtics end up winning the title? |
Psychologically, maybe. But the options don’t change.
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| Quote: | Chris Haynes
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New Orleans Pelicans say Zion Williamson has been cleared in his return to play progression without any restrictions. |
Zion, year 4 and healthy should be a good sign for the league.
If he can be in shape and healthy, BI, CJ + Zion will be intriguing.
Top 5 in the west or naw?
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I could see Sacramento trading the #4 pick for Bradley Beal. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | ^^^^
The NBA should just get rid of divisions. They’re a vestige of the days when the league was smaller. The divisions meant something back then. |
And seems like the NBA doesn't have in-division rivalries that the NFL and MLB have. However, a reason they might keep it is for scheduling and having most of the games played be in-division to cut down on flight times. But maybe with planes being so fast these days, that's less of a worry as well.
Interested to see what Adam does.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Does anyone know if their might be extra urgency by the Lakers FO if the Celtics end up winning the title? |
If the Celtics win, it's definitely going to amplify the whole "building organically" narrative and only heighten the stink of the Lakers' rapidly decaying microwave contender philosophy. But yeah, there's nothing they can do about that now. Also, if the Lakers really plan on hiring Stotts, you might as well do it soon before the "could have hired the next Udoka in Ham" criticisms get too strident. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | Bradley beat getting 5 years 250M+?
Teams having to pay big money for mid players.
It's going to be so good when/if expansion happens. |
The reality is in a 30 team league, the best players on many teams will be no better than the 20th best player in the league. And those guys are going to be max salaries because of the way the system is set up.
It's easy to say teams should not pay a Bradley Beal a max salary. However, if you are faced with giving Bradley Beal a max salary or letting him walk and not having any star to replace him with, you'll probably bite the bullet and do it.
You won't be a contender, but at least you'll have someone to market to fans. |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Chris Haynes
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New Orleans Pelicans say Zion Williamson has been cleared in his return to play progression without any restrictions. |
Zion, year 4 and healthy should be a good sign for the league.
If he can be in shape and healthy, BI, CJ + Zion will be intriguing.
Top 5 in the west or naw? |
I think one of Ingram/Zion has to go. They don't seem a natural pairing. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Chris Haynes
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New Orleans Pelicans say Zion Williamson has been cleared in his return to play progression without any restrictions. |
Zion, year 4 and healthy should be a good sign for the league.
If he can be in shape and healthy, BI, CJ + Zion will be intriguing.
Top 5 in the west or naw? |
I think one of Ingram/Zion has to go. They don't seem a natural pairing. |
I would love to see N.O. fumble their roster 
But I think they try to see if CJ can take more of a back seat role than to give up on one of those 2. I think it can work.
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| epic_ wrote: | | Quote: | Chris Haynes
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New Orleans Pelicans say Zion Williamson has been cleared in his return to play progression without any restrictions. |
Zion, year 4 and healthy should be a good sign for the league.
If he can be in shape and healthy, BI, CJ + Zion will be intriguing.
Top 5 in the west or naw? |
I wouldn't count on it.. Year 4 and we're having the same convo we did before he was even drafted.. I personally hope he is because as a general NBA fan he's one of the more exciting players and I think him and BI can fit together fine. Like a ton of teams it's all about health honestly but i'd say the potential is absolutely there as a top 5 team. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | I could see Sacramento trading the #4 pick for Bradley Beal. |
Harrison Barnes and #4 pick (Jaden Ivey) for Bradley Beal
25 year old 6'3" Dearron Fox ($30 million, 4 year) | #17 rank PG
24 year old 6'2" Davion Mitchell ($4 million, 3 year) | #49 rank PG
25 year old 6'4" Terrance Davis ($4 million, 1 year) | #52 rank SG
30 year old 6'8" Harrison Barnes ($18 million, 1 year) | #11 rank SF
33 year old 6'6" Justin Holiday ($6 million, 1 year) | #49 rank SF
29 year old 6'7" Maurice Harkless ($5 million, 1 year) | #79 rank SF
26 year old 6'11" Demantas Sabonis ($19 million, 2 year) | #3 rank PF
27 year old 6'9" Trey Lyles ($3 million, 1 year) | #41 rank PF
25 year old 6'9" Chimezu Metu ($2 million, 1 year) | #43 rank PF
29 year old 6'10" Richaun Holmes ($12 million, 3 year) | #24 rank C
29 year old 7'0" Alex Len ($3 million, 1 year) | #63 rank C |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | I could see Sacramento trading the #4 pick for Bradley Beal. |
Harrison Barnes and #4 pick (Jaden Ivey) for Bradley Beal
25 year old 6'3" Dearron Fox ($30 million, 4 year) | #17 rank PG
24 year old 6'2" Davion Mitchell ($4 million, 3 year) | #49 rank PG
25 year old 6'4" Terrance Davis ($4 million, 1 year) | #52 rank SG
30 year old 6'8" Harrison Barnes ($18 million, 1 year) | #11 rank SF
33 year old 6'6" Justin Holiday ($6 million, 1 year) | #49 rank SF
29 year old 6'7" Maurice Harkless ($5 million, 1 year) | #79 rank SF
26 year old 6'11" Demantas Sabonis ($19 million, 2 year) | #3 rank PF
27 year old 6'9" Trey Lyles ($3 million, 1 year) | #41 rank PF
25 year old 6'9" Chimezu Metu ($2 million, 1 year) | #43 rank PF
29 year old 6'10" Richaun Holmes ($12 million, 3 year) | #24 rank C
29 year old 7'0" Alex Len ($3 million, 1 year) | #63 rank C |
Beal is signing 5yrs 250m deal with wizards. |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | I could see Sacramento trading the #4 pick for Bradley Beal. |
Harrison Barnes and #4 pick (Jaden Ivey) for Bradley Beal
25 year old 6'3" Dearron Fox ($30 million, 4 year) | #17 rank PG
24 year old 6'2" Davion Mitchell ($4 million, 3 year) | #49 rank PG
25 year old 6'4" Terrance Davis ($4 million, 1 year) | #52 rank SG
30 year old 6'8" Harrison Barnes ($18 million, 1 year) | #11 rank SF
33 year old 6'6" Justin Holiday ($6 million, 1 year) | #49 rank SF
29 year old 6'7" Maurice Harkless ($5 million, 1 year) | #79 rank SF
26 year old 6'11" Demantas Sabonis ($19 million, 2 year) | #3 rank PF
27 year old 6'9" Trey Lyles ($3 million, 1 year) | #41 rank PF
25 year old 6'9" Chimezu Metu ($2 million, 1 year) | #43 rank PF
29 year old 6'10" Richaun Holmes ($12 million, 3 year) | #24 rank C
29 year old 7'0" Alex Len ($3 million, 1 year) | #63 rank C |
Beal is signing 5yrs 250m deal with wizards. |
That’s Kevin Garnett level type contract extension, good lord their is risk in giving that much without him proving anything. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: |
That’s Kevin Garnett level type contract extension, good lord their is risk in giving that much without him proving anything. |
Beal is proven: he's made three all-star teams, averaged 30 ppg twice, and is probably the 20-25th best player in the league. What are you looking for him to "prove"? |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
That’s Kevin Garnett level type contract extension, good lord their is risk in giving that much without him proving anything. |
Beal is proven: he's made three all-star teams, averaged 30 ppg twice, and is probably the 20-25th best player in the league. What are you looking for him to "prove"? |
He’s a very good player but their needs to come with a territory for a guy who hasn’t lead his team deep into the playoffs and is gonna earn more then Tatum and Booker. |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Bradley Beal the name has become bigger than Bradley Beal the player. He would be doing Washington a favor if he didn’t sign the super max. |
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Bradley Beal the name has become bigger than Bradley Beal the player. He would be doing Washington a favor if he didn’t sign the super max. |
Yup |
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