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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:05 pm    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
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Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


I usually joke about his bball takes.
But man, is he charismatic.
When he's just talking normal stuff, you can't help but like him.
He's the reason I fell in love with basketball.
And yea, he holds onto that Lakers standard when talking about the players.

Side: that YouTuber Hot Hon Hot be having some of the crazy titles haha
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Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.
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Bringing Harrison Barnes makes a lot sense, in his prime, has championship experience, shoots 40% from 3

I'm sure Vogel can remind him what championship defense is

Kuzma would look good in purple.
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MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.
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On another note, Orlando looks like a potential source for reclamation projects, especially if the Bulls lottery pick conveys tomorrow.

One or both of Wendell Carter, Jr. and Mo Bamba will be on the move. T. Ross should be available and maybe one of RJ Hampton or Cole Anthony could be pried loose if the Magic draft one of the Jalen's in the top five. Hammond seems enamored with Chuma Okeke, so that's probably a non-starter.

Lastly, what about trading for Markelle Fultz if Schröder walks?


I like him but worry he’s another durability problem. I’m also concerned his shoulder will never fully heal due to his motorcycle accident cough cough i mean “philly’s development coaching” and his jump shot will never be fixed

It would be a big risk and I could see the Lakers seeing THT as a better long-term prospect with similar weaknesses but better odds of improving on them. In the Schröder disaster scenario trading Kuzma for a more established vet guard to help now would make sense. I just can't shake how good Fultz was in college.

One positive on Fultz's shooting has been his significant improvement at the FT line year to year. There's maybe...maybe... something there.


Baron, I think you are on to something with Orlando. I would send Kuz, Gasol, AM, and our 1st for Carter and Ross. Carter immediately starts for us and Ross is a scorer with range (and is an under rated defender).
this would be good leaves us with s&t option with ds. However can kuz + s&t ds get us a big fish

The Lakers problems getting a third star this summer include having so few players under contract. If the Lakers re-sign DS, THT, AC, and make the fine trade RI proposed above, Pelinka would have a lot more flexibility to swing for a big fish before the trade deadline.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


Its more so the reality that you got a 15/10 guy off the bench that didn't cause us to become a bad defensive team (we were the best in the league) but people focused on that primarily as if we needed more defense, less offense, when we were one of the worst offensive teams in the league. And would have been even worse if we didn't have Schroeder and Harrell able to get their own shot.


When you get a guy that can get you 15/10 off the bench, and despite whatever defensive "shortcomings" they have or are claimed to have.. you're still the Number 1 defensive team in the league, you are happy about that.

Fact of the matter is, the Lakers team needed more offense and a consistently coached offense. They were best in the league on the defensive end, so adding Harrell and Schroeder were solid moves and added to our offense.

But some people don't want to face the reality of what our offense would have looked like this season if we asked Dwight, McGee and Caruso to take on more offensive responsibilities, or how much more of a strain it would have put on LeBron and AD. Because they want to keep telling themselves that Harrell or Schroeder was the problem


So pardon me for acknowledging that letting a guy that can net us 15/10 off the bench in an off-season where we don't have money to play around with, would be stupid.

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It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


Except when we relied upon them we benefitted. Once again, Schroeder having 2 bad games in the Playoffs, and Vogel crapping the bed when it comes to utilizing Harrell(and Gasol for that matter) once Drummond arrived didn't change that.

How quickly people forget how BAD this team looked whenever Schroeder wasn't available to play. that would have been our reality all season if we'd never gotten Schroeder or Harrell. And people got real quiet when they saw what Dwight did (or rather didn't do) in the Playoffs. That would have been our reality all year if we didn't have Harrell. We'd have been the Number 1 defensive team in the league(like we were already) but our offense would have fallen even lower and AD and LeBron would have had to do even more and likely worn down even faster.


The thing is, some fans have real short memories. When we struggled without Schroeder and he killed the Suns the first 3 games of the playoffs, he was an invaluable piece, then he has 2 bad games and he's "not worth being a Laker" then he has a gutsy Game 6 where he gives it his all and drops 20 and people ignore it.

Schroeder and Harrell are the kind of players some of these 'spoiled' Lakers fans take for granted, till they are no longer here and they see what they have to deal with in their place, instead. You'd think some would've learned by now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:45 pm    Post subject:

CRoost wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


I feel like Trez needs touches and/or a guard who can feed him. Probably needed someone like Rondo haha. I think signing Drums messed things up for our bigs.
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epic_ wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


I feel like Trez needs touches and/or a guard who can feed him. Probably needed someone like Rondo haha. I think signing Drums messed things up for our bigs.


Vogel is the one that screwed it up more than anything.

When we got Drummond Vogel said he was gonna play Harrell at backup 4 and Gasol at backup 5. Which was the smartest thing to do. Then for some reason he decided not to and give extended time to Markieff Morris whom kept playing horribly.

Getting Drummond and sticking to the plan of Gasol backup 5, Harrell backup 4 would have worked just fine. We just had a stubborn and horrible offensive coach that had no clue what he was doing, whom kept playing Morris for 'floor spacing' he didn't give us, while completely forgetting that Gasol stretches the floor too
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:57 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


Its more so the reality that you got a 15/10 guy off the bench that didn't cause us to become a bad defensive team (we were the best in the league) but people focused on that primarily as if we needed more defense, less offense, when we were one of the worst offensive teams in the league. And would have been even worse if we didn't have Schroeder and Harrell able to get their own shot.


When you get a guy that can get you 15/10 off the bench, and despite whatever defensive "shortcomings" they have or are claimed to have.. you're still the Number 1 defensive team in the league, you are happy about that.

Fact of the matter is, the Lakers team needed more offense and a consistently coached offense. They were best in the league on the defensive end, so adding Harrell and Schroeder were solid moves and added to our offense.

But some people don't want to face the reality of what our offense would have looked like this season if we asked Dwight, McGee and Caruso to take on more offensive responsibilities, or how much more of a strain it would have put on LeBron and AD. Because they want to keep telling themselves that Harrell or Schroeder was the problem


So pardon me for acknowledging that letting a guy that can net us 15/10 off the bench in an off-season where we don't have money to play around with, would be stupid.

CRoost wrote:


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


Except when we relied upon them we benefitted. Once again, Schroeder having 2 bad games in the Playoffs, and Vogel crapping the bed when it comes to utilizing Harrell(and Gasol for that matter) once Drummond arrived didn't change that.

How quickly people forget how BAD this team looked whenever Schroeder wasn't available to play. that would have been our reality all season if we'd never gotten Schroeder or Harrell. And people got real quiet when they saw what Dwight did (or rather didn't do) in the Playoffs. That would have been our reality all year if we didn't have Harrell. We'd have been the Number 1 defensive team in the league(like we were already) but our offense would have fallen even lower and AD and LeBron would have had to do even more and likely worn down even faster.


The thing is, some fans have real short memories. When we struggled without Schroeder and he killed the Suns the first 3 games of the playoffs, he was an invaluable piece, then he has 2 bad games and he's "not worth being a Laker" then he has a gutsy Game 6 where he gives it his all and drops 20 and people ignore it.

Schroeder and Harrell are the kind of players some of these 'spoiled' Lakers fans take for granted, till they are no longer here and they see what they have to deal with in their place, instead. You'd think some would've learned by now.


Lol, we won championship without those 2 players. Good riddance if they leave.
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epic_ wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


I feel like Trez needs touches and/or a guard who can feed him. Probably needed someone like Rondo haha. I think signing Drums messed things up for our bigs.


Drummond definitely messed up the rotation but that’s just show you how much faith we have in Trez. He will definitely comes to him senses and goes to a team that will utilized him. He’s a goner.
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Lol, we won championship without those 2 players..


and other teams got better, and had we stayed the same we'd have gotten worse.

Again, you can't use the whole "Well we did it in the bubble."

LOOK at what other teams have done in terms of getting better. Had we ran it back with the same roster, we'd have stayed the same defensively and gotten worse offensively. Particularly considering the lack of turnaround time for LBJ and AD, you think we'd have done them a service by forcing more offensive responsibility on them?

Imagine if you're depending on Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee for your offense instead of Schroeder and Harrell. We wouldn't have been the 22nd ranked offensive team this year, we'd have been closer to the 25th or 27th and it would have looked far worse.

Do you honestly think with the lack of turnaround that giving more offensive responsibility to LeBron and AD was the best way to go because of the lack of offense we'd be getting from Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee?

Think about it for a moment before you go "lol it worked in the bubble we'd have been just fine this year!"
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MJST wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


Its more so the reality that you got a 15/10 guy off the bench that didn't cause us to become a bad defensive team (we were the best in the league) but people focused on that primarily as if we needed more defense, less offense, when we were one of the worst offensive teams in the league. And would have been even worse if we didn't have Schroeder and Harrell able to get their own shot.


When you get a guy that can get you 15/10 off the bench, and despite whatever defensive "shortcomings" they have or are claimed to have.. you're still the Number 1 defensive team in the league, you are happy about that.

Fact of the matter is, the Lakers team needed more offense and a consistently coached offense. They were best in the league on the defensive end, so adding Harrell and Schroeder were solid moves and added to our offense.

But some people don't want to face the reality of what our offense would have looked like this season if we asked Dwight, McGee and Caruso to take on more offensive responsibilities, or how much more of a strain it would have put on LeBron and AD. Because they want to keep telling themselves that Harrell or Schroeder was the problem


So pardon me for acknowledging that letting a guy that can net us 15/10 off the bench in an off-season where we don't have money to play around with, would be stupid.

CRoost wrote:


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


Except when we relied upon them we benefitted. Once again, Schroeder having 2 bad games in the Playoffs, and Vogel crapping the bed when it comes to utilizing Harrell(and Gasol for that matter) once Drummond arrived didn't change that.

How quickly people forget how BAD this team looked whenever Schroeder wasn't available to play. that would have been our reality all season if we'd never gotten Schroeder or Harrell. And people got real quiet when they saw what Dwight did (or rather didn't do) in the Playoffs. That would have been our reality all year if we didn't have Harrell. We'd have been the Number 1 defensive team in the league(like we were already) but our offense would have fallen even lower and AD and LeBron would have had to do even more and likely worn down even faster.

The thing is, some fans have real short memories. When we struggled without Schroeder and he killed the Suns the first 3 games of the playoffs, he was an invaluable piece, then he has 2 bad games and he's "not worth being a Laker" then he has a gutsy Game 6 where he gives it his all and drops 20 and people ignore it.

Schroeder and Harrell are the kind of players some of these 'spoiled' Lakers fans take for granted, till they are no longer here and they see what they have to deal with in their place, instead. You'd think some would've learned by now.

Both players are built better for regular season basketball than postseason basketball - especially Harrell - and it's unfortunate that regular season basketball is so divorced from winning playoff basketball.
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MJST wrote:
epic_ wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


Yeah lol Magic would let Schroeder and Harrell walk, try to replace them and their production with the 3M in cap, and would overpay for Caruso, and we'd all be cursing him for wasting another year of LeBron's career.


This is why Magic isn't in a position of power anymore.

Just because Magic is charismatic doesn't mean he knows what he's doing in terms of basketball decisions or coaching.

Your love affair with Harrell is weird.


It sucks that we never properly utilized Trez but he is net negative everytime he’s on the floor . Just lack the IQ to make an impact at both ends. But him and Schroder would have been nice off the bench but we can’t rely on them for extended period of time when it matters.


I feel like Trez needs touches and/or a guard who can feed him. Probably needed someone like Rondo haha. I think signing Drums messed things up for our bigs.


Vogel is the one that screwed it up more than anything.

When we got Drummond Vogel said he was gonna play Harrell at backup 4 and Gasol at backup 5. Which was the smartest thing to do. Then for some reason he decided not to and give extended time to Markieff Morris whom kept playing horribly.

Getting Drummond and sticking to the plan of Gasol backup 5, Harrell backup 4 would have worked just fine. We just had a stubborn and horrible offensive coach that had no clue what he was doing, whom kept playing Morris for 'floor spacing' he didn't give us, while completely forgetting that Gasol stretches the floor too

I'll take Vogel over Harrell.
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Lol, we won championship without those 2 players..


and other teams got better, and had we stayed the same we'd have gotten worse.

Again, you can't use the whole "Well we did it in the bubble."

LOOK at what other teams have done in terms of getting better. Had we ran it back with the same roster, we'd have stayed the same defensively and gotten worse offensively. Particularly considering the lack of turnaround time for LBJ and AD, you think we'd have done them a service by forcing more offensive responsibility on them?

Imagine if you're depending on Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee for your offense instead of Schroeder and Harrell. We wouldn't have been the 22nd ranked offensive team this year, we'd have been closer to the 25th or 27th and it would have looked far worse.

Do you honestly think with the lack of turnaround that giving more offensive responsibility to LeBron and AD was the best way to go because of the lack of offense we'd be getting from Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee?

Think about it for a moment before you go "lol it worked in the bubble we'd have been just fine this year!"

Good to see you dismiss last season's title.
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Lol, we won championship without those 2 players..


and other teams got better, and had we stayed the same we'd have gotten worse.

Again, you can't use the whole "Well we did it in the bubble."

LOOK at what other teams have done in terms of getting better. Had we ran it back with the same roster, we'd have stayed the same defensively and gotten worse offensively. Particularly considering the lack of turnaround time for LBJ and AD, you think we'd have done them a service by forcing more offensive responsibility on them?

Imagine if you're depending on Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee for your offense instead of Schroeder and Harrell. We wouldn't have been the 22nd ranked offensive team this year, we'd have been closer to the 25th or 27th and it would have looked far worse.

Do you honestly think with the lack of turnaround that giving more offensive responsibility to LeBron and AD was the best way to go because of the lack of offense we'd be getting from Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee?

Think about it for a moment before you go "lol it worked in the bubble we'd have been just fine this year!"


You’re talking on Hypotheticals. Schroder and Trez will not be the main reason we will championships. They are merely role players who we never utilized properly. The other one demanded to start while the other one could not play a lick of defense. AD injury validated their capabilities.

They are better REGULAR SEASON PLAYERS .

Rings are not won in regular season.

WE DONT CATER TO ROLE PLAYERS.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:19 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
https://youtu.be/_cW90kwmLVg

Magic is not good with day to day GM life, but he’s good at seeing who has it and who doesn’t in terms of being a Laker.

Lots of truth in what he said, particularly pertaining to Schroder, Harrell and Kuzma.


I usually joke about his bball takes.
But man, is he charismatic.
When he's just talking normal stuff, you can't help but like him.
He's the reason I fell in love with basketball.
And yea, he holds onto that Lakers standard when talking about the players.

Side: that YouTuber Hot Hon Hot be having some of the crazy titles haha


I had pretty similar thoughts.

And as far the YouTubers, yeah there are some crazy MFs out there. I just decided to watch this one because it was a credible video and not some kids getting you to watch them in their skip bayless wannabe videos
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:22 pm    Post subject:

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Lol, we won championship without those 2 players..


and other teams got better, and had we stayed the same we'd have gotten worse.

Again, you can't use the whole "Well we did it in the bubble."

LOOK at what other teams have done in terms of getting better. Had we ran it back with the same roster, we'd have stayed the same defensively and gotten worse offensively. Particularly considering the lack of turnaround time for LBJ and AD, you think we'd have done them a service by forcing more offensive responsibility on them?

Imagine if you're depending on Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee for your offense instead of Schroeder and Harrell. We wouldn't have been the 22nd ranked offensive team this year, we'd have been closer to the 25th or 27th and it would have looked far worse.

Do you honestly think with the lack of turnaround that giving more offensive responsibility to LeBron and AD was the best way to go because of the lack of offense we'd be getting from Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee?

Think about it for a moment before you go "lol it worked in the bubble we'd have been just fine this year!"


You’re talking on Hypotheticals.


It's not hypothetical to actually acknowledge we'd have been a worse offensive team if we were depending on Caruso, McGee, Dwight, Rondo for offense. Nor that it would have put even more pressure on AD and LeBron after a fast turnaround from last season.

That's not hypothetical, that's obvious.

Also "WE DONT CATER TO ROLE PLAYERS"

Well those "role players' come in handy when you're trying to take pressure off LeBron and AD. Stop trying to act like they can be the 'do everything'. They need solid offensive help alongside them. Being the 1st ranked defensive team means little when we're the 27th ranked offense and need to run LeBron and AD further into the ground because we don't have anyone else capable of getting their own shot. Think. Stop being prideful, and actually realize that.

LeBron's about to be 37, AD's health is usually in question. The LAST thing we need is making stupid moves that's going to increase the offensive load on either of them. the best thing we could do this off-season is keep Schroeder and Harrell and move forward from there.

At worst we have additional offensive options while still being the best defensive team in the league. At best we can swing them for another star.

But NOT having them, and having to try to replace their production with barely any money to play with in the off-season is not just a stupid move, it's detrimental to our two stars.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:37 pm    Post subject:

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Its more so the reality that you got a 15/10 guy off the bench that didn't cause us to become a bad defensive team (we were the best in the league) but people focused on that primarily as if we needed more defense, less offense, when we were one of the worst offensive teams in the league. And would have been even worse if we didn't have Schroeder and Harrell able to get their own shot.


He was actually a 14/6 guy. He has averaged 15 or more in 2 of 6 seasons, but his career high in rebounding is 7.1 rpg.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:42 pm    Post subject:

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Its more so the reality that you got a 15/10 guy off the bench that didn't cause us to become a bad defensive team (we were the best in the league) but people focused on that primarily as if we needed more defense, less offense, when we were one of the worst offensive teams in the league. And would have been even worse if we didn't have Schroeder and Harrell able to get their own shot.


He was actually a 14/6 guy. He has averaged 15 or more in 2 of 6 seasons, but his career high in rebounding is 7.1 rpg.


14/6 career guy whom is an 18/7 guy in a 6th man role.

So in essence, still very valuable and still the best backup center currently in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:47 pm    Post subject:

Dennis Schroeder/montrez are not winning basketball players.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:50 pm    Post subject:

How do we convince D.Rose, Melo and Ariza to take the minimums, c’mon RP!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:52 pm    Post subject:

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How do we convince D.Rose, Melo and Ariza to take the minimums, c’mon RP!!!


DO IT FOR KOBE!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:53 pm    Post subject:

LGFan wrote:
Dennis Schroeder/montrez are not winning basketball players.


YUP
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:55 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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Lol, we won championship without those 2 players..


and other teams got better, and had we stayed the same we'd have gotten worse.

Again, you can't use the whole "Well we did it in the bubble."

LOOK at what other teams have done in terms of getting better. Had we ran it back with the same roster, we'd have stayed the same defensively and gotten worse offensively. Particularly considering the lack of turnaround time for LBJ and AD, you think we'd have done them a service by forcing more offensive responsibility on them?

Imagine if you're depending on Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee for your offense instead of Schroeder and Harrell. We wouldn't have been the 22nd ranked offensive team this year, we'd have been closer to the 25th or 27th and it would have looked far worse.

Do you honestly think with the lack of turnaround that giving more offensive responsibility to LeBron and AD was the best way to go because of the lack of offense we'd be getting from Caruso, Rondo, Dwight and McGee?

Think about it for a moment before you go "lol it worked in the bubble we'd have been just fine this year!"


We had a successful team last year, and we had a successful team this year before Lebron and AD got hurt.

I am different than most people in that I found the overall moves lateral. We changed the team, but I don't know if this version would have been better, worse, or the same without the health issues.

DS reverted to the mean and had a pretty typical, bottom-tier season for a starting point guard. I think Harrell gets a worse wrap than he deserves.

If we had run it back, and had all the injuries, it would have been interesting to see where the offense would have come from. I don't think the end result would have been different.

But of course, as long as we are playing the woulda-coulda-shoulda game, there are other possibilities. Rather than the binary of keep everyone or get DS/Harrell, we could have made other choices in trading Green and using our MLE on Harrell.

Once you start skipping down the road of alternative realities, I can imagine a lot of alternatives.
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