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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:31 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | epic_ wrote: | https://mobile.twitter.com/Krisplashed/status/1541438309423058945
Quote: | Kristian Winfield
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Sources: Kyrie Irving has requested and received permission from the Nets to find sign-and-trade offers from other teams. Kevin Durant still hasn't spoken to Nets front office. Russell Westbrook to Brooklyn remains unlikely. |
Anyone know this person?
Sorry guys for all the posts.
Lots of info is starting to come. |
Verified on Twitter, is a Nets reporter for NY Daily News. |
Quote: | Austin Krell
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Source familiar with the situation in Brooklyn described it as “pretty irreparable.”
(Referring to the Kyrie part, specifically.)
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FYI: A S&t secures Ky a bag and at a minimum a 3 yr commitment, although only the 1st year in a S&t deal has to be fully guaranteed….years 2 & 3 of the deal can be completely left nonguaranteed. Lakers would be hardcapped and Ky only gets 5% annual increases from year to year. A no-trade clause (NTC) cannot be included in Ky’s deal.
An opt-in & trade leaves the door open for Kyrie to sign an extension with us 6 months later. We would not be hardcapped and would acquire Ky’s bird rights in the deal allowing him to get 8% annual raises in an extension or new deal inked next summer. Again, Ky would not be eligible for a NTC to be included in his extension or a new deal inked in the summer of 2023.
If Ky opts out and signs for our tpMLE @ 6.4m on a 1yr deal, then next summer we can only offer him a 7.7m deal if we’re capped out using his non-bird rights. Of course we would also be able to sign him to whatever the MLE (tp/ntp/room) amount is next year as well. If we do sign him using cap space next summer, it would only be for 5% annual increases and using non-bird rights on an up to 35% max type deal if we gain the appropriate cap space to do so (ie a starting annual of ~45m).
One thing to note is that if Bron does not choose to ink an extension this summer, he will be eligible to gain a NTC in a new deal he could sign next summer via his full birds & being here for 4+ seasons. However if he does ink an extension this August, it cannot contain a NTC within it. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Kanye Irving opt in and come to Lakers already! |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Quote: | Jake Fischer
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Sources with knowledge of the situation have increasingly believed Kyrie Irving's willingness to opt out of Brooklyn, sign the $6M taxpayer midlevel with the Lakers, where Irving can re-sign long-term in 2023.
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“Lakers 2023 cap plan” just entered the chat.
It’s up to the Nets now to call that plan 🧢 _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Woj article today https://t.co/qloUEfatw6
Quote: | Outside of the Los Angeles Lakers, there are currently no known teams planning pursuit of sign-and-trade deals for Brooklyn Nets guard Kyrie Irving, sources told ESPN.
Irving needs a trade partner to coordinate an agreement on a deal to get a long-term, maximum contract, but only the Lakers have interest in executing a sign-and-trade once free agency opens on Thursday night, sources said.
So far, the Nets have no interest in taking back the available Lakers packages, sources said.
The uncertainty surrounding Irving's future with the Nets continues to leave the franchise vulnerable to a Kevin Durant trade request, but that has yet to materialize, sources said. Durant has four years left on his contract and remained an advocate for the Nets to commit to a long-term deal for Irving, sources said. Numerous teams around the league are preparing to pursue Durant, one of the elite players in the sport, if he becomes available.
Irving has until Wednesday to make a decision on exercising his $36.5 million option on the 2022-2023 season. Once he opts into the deal, he's no longer eligible for a sign-and-trade. The Nets could proceed working to trade him as an expiring contract, but Irving would have no formal voice in a potential landing spot.
Irving has great interest in joining the Lakers, sources said, which he could do by declining the $36.5 million option and signing with Los Angeles for the $6 million taxpayer mid-level exception.
The Nets have been reluctant to offer Irving a long-term contract, which is what he's wanted to remain with Brooklyn, sources said. Brooklyn seems to want to hold onto leverage with Irving on his contractual status, especially after his lack of availability the past two years.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Kyrie just crazy enough to opt out and sign for pennies. Everyone get on his gram and tell him he won't do it!
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vasashi17+ wrote: | Quote: | Jake Fischer
@JakeLFischer
Sources with knowledge of the situation have increasingly believed Kyrie Irving's willingness to opt out of Brooklyn, sign the $6M taxpayer midlevel with the Lakers, where Irving can re-sign long-term in 2023.
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“Lakers 2023 cap plan” just entered the chat.
It’s up to the Nets now to call that plan 🧢 |
If Kyrie signs 1 year with us, his next contract with us would still not be a significant bump right? _________________ Tacos |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Westbrook
Kyrie
LeBron
Davis _________________ Tacos |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:31 am Post subject: |
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^With some combo of Bron’s help, finding a way to come off of THT and using whatever cap space we have, Ky very well could meet his true max of ~45m as a 35% max eligible player.
However, I have detailed a route for both Bron & Ky to get around 38m each next summer…from the Cap Q&A thread:
Quote: | So fellas, as you know the cap isn’t projected yet for the 2023/24 season, so we’ll try to apply recent trends and conservative numbers just to stay on the safe side of expectations.
The cap is projected to go up by about 8.5% from last season (112.4m) to this upcoming season (122m) and under the current CBA annual raises in the salary cap can max out to 10%. So the upcoming 2022/23 salary cap can still go up to 123.6m (maxing out at a 10% increase from the previous cap of 112.4m). Based on that projection, the 2023/24 season can go as high as 136m. But like I said, let’s take the conservative route…
Let’s apply a 5% annual increase to the current 2022/23 cap projections of 122m and that would take us to 128.1m for the 2023/24 salary cap. Based on that number, our projected cap space would be:
1) AD 40.6m
2) THT 11m (player option)
3) MaxC 1.7m (projected 2nd year of rookie min deal)
4) 2023 1st lower pick swap w/NO (assuming in 20-30 range) ~3m caphold
5) 2023 LA 2nd rounder 1.05m caphold
6) 2023 Chicago 2nd rounder 1.05m caphold
7) Bron FA caphold (105% of previous year) 46.7m
8) Russ FA caphold (105% of previous year) 49.5m
9) Nunn FA caphold 6.8m
10) Reaves FA caphold 2m
11) Stanley FA caphold 3.1m
12) Gabriel FA caphold 2.4m
= 169m in team salary and capped out on a projected 128.1m salary cap
However let’s say…
1) THT opts in,
2) we sign our 2023 1st to a projected rookie scale deal,
3-4)we keep our 2 2nd rounders (since their capholds would be equivalent to incomplete roster (IR) charges anyways) and
5-6) we renounce every one of our FAs except Bron & Reaves, then including 7) AD &
8) Max, we’re looking at
9-12) 4 IR charges ie 4.2m…
which would give us a team salary of 111.3m and giving us about 16.8m in cap space to give to Kyrie Irving or any other 2023 FAs.
Let’s say we want to give the max possible to Bron & Ky (or any other 2023 FA), then THT would have to opt out of his player option and we renounce his rights, as well as trade our 2023 1st and eliminate that caphold, as well as renounce all our other FAs except for Bron, then our cap sheet would only consist of AD & Max along with 2 2nd round rookie min capholds & 8 IR charges, which gives us potential cap space around 75.3m If we divvy that up equally between Bron & Ky (or other 2023 max FA), then both those dudes can sign at just about 37.7m per (which would be about 7m shy of what a 35% max eligible FA could get that summer).
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo-Lite wrote: | anyone but Westbrook
Kyrie
LeBron
Davis |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I just can't fathom the Hornets being dumb enough to do any one of the trades people are talking about. Sure, they work out in terms of the cap, but in terms of talent, they are all terrible trades.
I do think there's a chance that Orlando comes in with Ross & Fultz going to Brooklyn, and ORL takes Westbrook and a FRP. Of course, they'd buy out Westbrook... but they basically just do it to add another pick and free up their backcourt minutes for Suggs and Cole Anthony. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:37 am Post subject: |
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If Kyrie were just wild enough to actually sign for the tMLE... how quickly how fortunes could change. |
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2019 wrote: | If Kyrie were just wild enough to actually sign for the tMLE... how quickly how fortunes could change. |
Yeah...his. _________________ Under New Management |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Russ opt-in & trade @47.1m could bring back as much as 59m in salary.
Ky’s 36.5m has a 15% trade kicker. With it fully in tact, he becomes a 42m salary. JHarris is a 18.6m salaried player. A trade before June 30th leads to a prorated breakdown of that 5.5m trade kicker. A trade after June 30th would give Ky that trade kicker in a full lump sum.
Russ for Ky/Harris works salarywise, even with the trade kicker fully/partially activated. BK also has an 11.4m Harden TPE. They can fully take in THT’s salary within it.
A base trade of Russ/THT/2027 1st for Ky/Harris works.
FYI, BK also has 2 other TPEs (via DJ for 6.3m & via Dinwiddie for 3.2m remaining of the initial 11.4m) that could potentially take in combos of Nunn’s 5.3m opt’d in deal along with Reaves/Stan/Gabriel’s team option deals.
Again, just outlining the possible trade possibilities that could potentially occur exclusively between BK & us (ie without a 3rd team being involved). _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:03 am Post subject: |
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If Kyrie comes, I'd trade some picks so we can have a better supporting cast |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Gotta get rid of Westbrook ASAP.... |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:40 am Post subject: |
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What if Kyrie’s motivation is to (bleep) Boston by getting the Lakers past them in number of chips
Thanks Boston for pissing off Kyrie. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:51 am Post subject: |
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vasashi17+ wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | epic_ wrote: | https://mobile.twitter.com/Krisplashed/status/1541438309423058945
Quote: | Kristian Winfield
@Krisplashed
Sources: Kyrie Irving has requested and received permission from the Nets to find sign-and-trade offers from other teams. Kevin Durant still hasn't spoken to Nets front office. Russell Westbrook to Brooklyn remains unlikely. |
Anyone know this person?
Sorry guys for all the posts.
Lots of info is starting to come. |
Verified on Twitter, is a Nets reporter for NY Daily News. |
Quote: | Austin Krell
@NBAKrell
Source familiar with the situation in Brooklyn described it as “pretty irreparable.”
(Referring to the Kyrie part, specifically.)
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FYI: A S&t secures Ky a bag and at a minimum a 3 yr commitment, although only the 1st year in a S&t deal has to be fully guaranteed….years 2 & 3 of the deal can be completely left nonguaranteed. Lakers would be hardcapped and Ky only gets 5% annual increases from year to year. A no-trade clause (NTC) cannot be included in Ky’s deal.
An opt-in & trade leaves the door open for Kyrie to sign an extension with us 6 months later. We would not be hardcapped and would acquire Ky’s bird rights in the deal allowing him to get 8% annual raises in an extension or new deal inked next summer. Again, Ky would not be eligible for a NTC to be included in his extension or a new deal inked in the summer of 2023.
If Ky opts out and signs for our tpMLE @ 6.4m on a 1yr deal, then next summer we can only offer him a 7.7m deal if we’re capped out using his non-bird rights. Of course we would also be able to sign him to whatever the MLE (tp/ntp/room) amount is next year as well. If we do sign him using cap space next summer, it would only be for 5% annual increases and using non-bird rights on an up to 35% max type deal if we gain the appropriate cap space to do so (ie a starting annual of ~45m).
One thing to note is that if Bron does not choose to ink an extension this summer, he will be eligible to gain a NTC in a new deal he could sign next summer via his full birds & being here for 4+ seasons. However if he does ink an extension this August, it cannot contain a NTC within it. |
if Kyrie signs for MMLE, we can't offer him a large contract if both Lebron and AD are still on the team the following summer, right? |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:53 am Post subject: |
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anth2000 wrote: | Gotta get rid of Westbrook ASAP.... |
they clearly don't want Westbrook or the deal would've happened.
imaging the Nets management come to KD and say "hey KD, we had to get rid of Kyrie, but we found you a HOF point guard, and i am sure you are very familiar with him, his name is Russell Westbrook" |
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vasashi17+ wrote: | Russ opt-in & trade @47.1m could bring back as much as 59m in salary.
Ky’s 36.5m has a 15% trade kicker. With it fully in tact, he becomes a 42m salary. JHarris is a 18.6m salaried player. A trade before June 30th leads to a prorated breakdown of that 5.5m trade kicker. A trade after June 30th would give Ky that trade kicker in a full lump sum.
Russ for Ky/Harris works salarywise, even with the trade kicker fully/partially activated. BK also has an 11.4m Harden TPE. They can fully take in THT’s salary within it.
A base trade of Russ/THT/2027 1st for Ky/Harris works.
FYI, BK also has 2 other TPEs (via DJ for 6.3m & via Dinwiddie for 3.2m remaining of the initial 11.4m) that could potentially take in combos of Nunn’s 5.3m opt’d in deal along with Reaves/Stan/Gabriel’s team option deals.
Again, just outlining the possible trade possibilities that could potentially occur exclusively between BK & us (ie without a 3rd team being involved). |
If Brooklyn give up Joe Harris with Kyrie AND take WB, they can have any combo of Nunn, THT, AR-15, ‘27, ‘29, ok maybe not AR-15 with his war ender
Pelinka need to earn his paycheck at this moment, pressure cooker time
Quote: | Nets not interested in available Lakers packages for Kyrie Irving
Kyrie Irving needs a trade partner to coordinate an agreement on a deal to get a long-term, maximum contract, but only the Lakers have interest in executing a sign-and-trade once free agency opens on Thursday night, sources said. So far, the Nets have no interest in taking back the available Lakers packages, sources said. – via Adrian Wojnarowski @ ESPN |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Threw this in the FA thread, but thought I'd throw it in here too:
This trade works on the trade machine and has fairly even wins, offensive, and defensive outcomes.
NETS RECEIVE:
Terry Rozier
Talen Horton-Tucker
LAKERS RECEIVE:
Gordon Hayward
Kyrie Irving
HORNETS RECEIVE:
Russell Westbrook
Hornets clear long-term cap obligations. A stated goal.
Nets get a young prospect in THT + Terry Rozier who can put up 20 PPG as they retool in the wake of this chaos (and Kevin Durant likely demanding a trade after Irving is traded).
Lakers get Kyrie, get rid of Russ, and take on the big contract of injury-riddled Hayward.
Win, Win, Win. |
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governator wrote: | vasashi17+ wrote: | Russ opt-in & trade @47.1m could bring back as much as 59m in salary.
Ky’s 36.5m has a 15% trade kicker. With it fully in tact, he becomes a 42m salary. JHarris is a 18.6m salaried player. A trade before June 30th leads to a prorated breakdown of that 5.5m trade kicker. A trade after June 30th would give Ky that trade kicker in a full lump sum.
Russ for Ky/Harris works salarywise, even with the trade kicker fully/partially activated. BK also has an 11.4m Harden TPE. They can fully take in THT’s salary within it.
A base trade of Russ/THT/2027 1st for Ky/Harris works.
FYI, BK also has 2 other TPEs (via DJ for 6.3m & via Dinwiddie for 3.2m remaining of the initial 11.4m) that could potentially take in combos of Nunn’s 5.3m opt’d in deal along with Reaves/Stan/Gabriel’s team option deals.
Again, just outlining the possible trade possibilities that could potentially occur exclusively between BK & us (ie without a 3rd team being involved). |
If Brooklyn give up Joe Harris with Kyrie AND take WB, they can have any combo of Nunn, THT, AR-15, ‘27, ‘29, ok maybe not AR-15 with his war ender
Pelinka need to earn his paycheck at this moment, pressure cooker time
Quote: | Nets not interested in available Lakers packages for Kyrie Irving
Kyrie Irving needs a trade partner to coordinate an agreement on a deal to get a long-term, maximum contract, but only the Lakers have interest in executing a sign-and-trade once free agency opens on Thursday night, sources said. So far, the Nets have no interest in taking back the available Lakers packages, sources said. – via Adrian Wojnarowski @ ESPN |
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Nets not being interested in our package can be a game of chicken, if FA opens up and the Nets know they aren’t any other S&T options they wouldn’t want to lose Irving for nothing and will likely be content with getting something back from the Lakers. |
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Quote: | The Nets are prepared to lose both Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant, per @WindhorstESPN
Brooklyn would rather lose both stars 'than go through what they went through last season’
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https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1541492459569664001
I watched this segment on ESPN, Windhorst saying his info is coming from people around Joe Tsai aka Nets Owner. _________________
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ArminNBA wrote: | Threw this in the FA thread, but thought I'd throw it in here too:
This trade works on the trade machine and has fairly even wins, offensive, and defensive outcomes.
NETS RECEIVE:
Terry Rozier
Talen Horton-Tucker
LAKERS RECEIVE:
Gordon Hayward
Kyrie Irving
HORNETS RECEIVE:
Russell Westbrook
Hornets clear long-term cap obligations. A stated goal.
Nets get a young prospect in THT + Terry Rozier who can put up 20 PPG as they retool in the wake of this chaos (and Kevin Durant likely demanding a trade after Irving is traded).
Lakers get Kyrie, get rid of Russ, and take on the big contract of injury-riddled Hayward.
Win, Win, Win. |
Would that restrict Kyrie getting big money next year? That is what we need to look at with all these trades where we take money back. _________________ Naz Reid or Brooks Lopez are a must in the 2023 offseason! |
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Kyrie got hooked on Scientology, didn't he? _________________ Under New Management |
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