Frank Vogel Official Lakers Head Coach for 3-Years
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 132, 133, 134 ... 222, 223, 224  Next
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  

Are you happy about Vogel becoming our coach?
No
12%
 12%  [ 62 ]
Yes
54%
 54%  [ 271 ]
Neutral
32%
 32%  [ 163 ]
Total Votes : 496

Author Message
waterman40
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Posts: 6280
Location: Central Coast

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


+2
_________________
LAKERS 2019-2020: NBA World Champions!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
ahaider
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Posts: 3501

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:15 pm    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


+2


I do think he warrants some fair share of criticism. Last year, I thought he did a great job with his substitution patterns with role & starter players. The team had a lot more continuity & obviously good health.

This year, he probably experimented with lineups all year long without having solved for any that worked. Game 4 of the playoffs and he’s starting a lineup that has never played with each other in the season when AD went down. We have one offensive system - give AD & Lebron the ball. For the entirety of the season, we don’t have a single lineup we trust to at least hold the lead while those two are out of the game. We had no offense without Lebron. Phoenix & Utah know what players they can play when their two stars are out of the game. When you experiment all year long and don’t find any lineups that work you deserve that feedback. I think if Monty Williams or Quin Snyder were our HC, they would have handled the cards dealt differently.
_________________
Author of James Harden and the Strip Club


"The key to good decision making is not knowledge. It is understanding. We are swimming in the former. We are desperately lacking in the latter." - Malcom Gladwell
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
MJST
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 26085

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:03 pm    Post subject:

A "real" coach would have been able to formulate an offense to maximize our guys when AD or LeBron isn't on the floor. How many injuries have we seen hurt top teams, and yet and still those teams were more competitive than we were AND advanced in the Playoffs.

There's no excuses for the "offense" Vogel tried to implement this year, which was no offense at all.
_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
phantasyman
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 15 Jun 2008
Posts: 635

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:26 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
phantasyman wrote:
BRING BACK THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE


Too slow against a heavy 3 point NBA.


Okay Frank Vowel 🤣 Too slow 🤣 Funniest thing I've heard
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
nshid
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 16 Dec 2014
Posts: 244

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:50 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


+2


-9000

The same way it is obvious when we are missing talent at certain positions, it is obvious when the coach is failing at his position. It was obvious that Vogel didn't have an offensive gameplan. He is a defensive taskmaster just like Thibbs and they both deserve the boot.

Last year we had the same problem with a different supporting cast, luckily having older veterans with championship experience (Green, Howard, and Rondo).

You remove the leadership and coaching ability (Rondo) from the team and it's become glaringly clear the ineptitude of the head coach. The proof is in his Orlando stint where Magic fans on forums were also baffled by Vogel lack of planning offensively.

- No offensive strategy
- No offensive schemes
- No solid rotations all year
- Inability to maximize player potential
- Inability to motivate role players
- Lineup dependence heavy on Lebron & AD
- No working postseason defensive adjustments
- No working postseason offseason adjustments

Now we can accept this one-dimensional coach and try to make it work, but let's call a fig a fig.
_________________
Stay cool, stay calm, stay crazy!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Reply with quote
statyin
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 05 Jul 2013
Posts: 440

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Don’t be fooled by our success last season. Give credits to him for getting on our players to play defense but he has nothing on the offensive end. Our offense is run by a healthy LBJ and AD, that’s all. There’s no such thing as a next man up for our team becoz we don’t have plan for role players.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
nevitt_smrek
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 2800

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Who are the top offensive coordinator candidates out there, that are good fits for Vogel's staff and this roster?
_________________
Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
oaktown_dimond
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 1357

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:39 pm    Post subject:

i love me some Nick Van Exel. is he still with the grizzlies? how's his "X's and O's"? could he serve as Vogel's offensive coordinator?

he'll always be a Laker in my book. the players would respect him. even Dennis, who wishes he was as clutch as Nick the Quick.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
MJST
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 06 Jul 2014
Posts: 26085

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject:

statyin wrote:
Don’t be fooled by our success last season. Give credits to him for getting on our players to play defense but he has nothing on the offensive end. Our offense is run by a healthy LBJ and AD, that’s all. There’s no such thing as a next man up for our team becoz we don’t have plan for role players.

_________________
How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
KindCrippler2000
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 May 2003
Posts: 15821

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:36 am    Post subject:

Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof:


I'm not a fan of his takes, but he's dead accurate about not applying enough offensive pressure on a team with a 36 year old Chris Paul as their best defensive player. Said THT was one guy who could changed the tide of the series, simply because guys like Booker and Paul would have to work on the defensive end.

Also said that dropping 2 games to the Heat, a team without a top 20 talent, was a huge warning sign last year.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
roger_federer
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 01 Mar 2020
Posts: 3102

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:48 am    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof:


I'm not a fan of his takes, but he's dead accurate about not applying enough offensive pressure on a team with a 36 year old Chris Paul as their best defensive player. Said THT was one guy who could changed the tide of the series, simply because guys like Booker and Paul would have to work on the defensive end.

Also said that dropping 2 games to the Heat, a team without a top 20 talent, was a huge warning sign last year.


made some valid points. He complained that we don't have enough shooters for spacing but want to have LBJ/AD/KUZ/TREZ/DRUMM line up

I said it many times, even healthy we are not winning this year. Last year we got extremely lucky. It took us 6 games to beat Miami when Bam and Dragic were injured.
we played gassed out Portland and Nuggets.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Inspector Gadget
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Apr 2016
Posts: 46492

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
oaktown_dimond
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 1357

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:13 am    Post subject:

No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Lonzo-Lite
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 17 May 2011
Posts: 5085

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:11 am    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof:



Him giving THT props, I think THT attacking CP3/Booker was a missed opportunity by Vogel.

Around the 4:00 min mark when he talks about Vogel wanting to play more defense instead of offense, i totally agree with.
_________________
Tacos
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
roger_federer
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 01 Mar 2020
Posts: 3102

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:56 am    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LGFan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 07 Jun 2021
Posts: 1860

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:04 am    Post subject:

roger_federer wrote:
oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Mavs would have to be dumb to do that.
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
danzag
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Posts: 22244
Location: Brazil

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:52 pm    Post subject:

roger_federer wrote:
oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.


You're clearly not watching the games
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
AD23
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 15 Jul 2019
Posts: 3069

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:15 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


No
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
lakerican
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 09 May 2005
Posts: 3780

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


No


Ehh, Carlisle??? The same one who played Boban to Death in that series??
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
cathy78
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Jan 2013
Posts: 1413

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:25 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?

No, but I wouldn't mind having him as assistant if the characters and egos mesh.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Gatekeeper
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 11 Jan 2012
Posts: 5103
Location: Southland Native

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject:

Wouldn't mind a Kidd-Carlisle swap myself.
_________________
Character
Manchester United | Greatest European Moments
Fabric of United - Our Belief
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epic_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 23 Jan 2020
Posts: 11310

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject:

Extension time.
Also, expecting some revamp to the offense due to some roster changes with the some snipers.
_________________
💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Mavs would have to be dumb to do that.


Confirmed: Cuban is dumb.
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
oaktown_dimond
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Nov 2007
Posts: 1357

PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:43 pm    Post subject:

we're not getting rid of vogel. dude was just a champion 2 seasons ago. he was blind sided by injuries this year. and as long as LBJ and AD like him, he stays.

we do need a more offensive minded assistant though.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 132, 133, 134 ... 222, 223, 224  Next
Page 133 of 224
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB