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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:20 pm    Post subject:

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We didn't lose because of Vogel, Lebron or even Westbrook. We lost this season because of poor roster construction and AD (and maybe Nunn) being hurt.


There were many factors of course. I think the problem with Vogel though is that he not only never found the right buttons to push but he never settled into a lineup. I think they showed a stat on TV recently that said they had 40 starting lineups this season. I may be off on the exact number there but that is what it was from my recollection someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But there is no way to have continuity when you do that. Even lineups that played well would just inexplicably be shifted the next game.

If a team underperforms it's going to fall on the head coach. While injuries are a valid excuse for some of it, not all of it. Same with roster construction. The team didn't consistently play hard. They were bottom feeders on both ends of the floor.

Vogel coached the team to a title two years ago and that counts for something. But he also did that with an all-star list of assistant coaches and a player coach in Rondo. He may have been propped up a bit.

Everyone will have their own opinion on how much each element contributed to this disaster of a season. They all have a share of the blame. But given that the Lakers were a poor offensive team in each of the past two seasons. Given that they probably had the most disappointing season in Lakers history just now. He's almost certainly going to be fired in my opinion.

He's won a title though. He'll land on his feet. I don't think he's a bad coach. But he seemed to lose the team this season and at least some of those guys will be back next season. I just don't see how he can survive that and stay with the team.


No offense, but your response is exactly why players, and coaches, are reluctant to come to and/or coach the Lakers, and why other fans and the sports media constantly clowns us. Everything we do has to be qualified by a bunch of convoluted frivolity. We need to stop with all the over-analysis. A bad roster and the 2nd best player being injured is why the Lakers didn't make the playoffs this season. It's nothing more than that. You don't fire head coaches for (bleep) that a coach isn't responsible for.

Vogel has been coach for 3 season. Season 1, he won an NBA Championship. Season 2, he had the Lakers ready to move on to the 2nd round, and the AD got hurt. Season 3, we had the worst roster manipulation in the history of the franchise, and yet again, AD doesn't play for 50% of the games.

And for that, Vogel needs to get fired? WTF?

I swear to god, sometimes it's hard to be a Laker fan. Lebron and Klutch demand RW, and Vogel pays the price. Jeanie is too cheap to keep players, and Vogel pays the price. Rob fills the roster up with rift-raft, and Vogel pays the price. Anthony Davis misses half the season, and Vogel pays the price. Really? Is that you head coaches are treated in Lakerland?

You remember Monty and Lue turned us down. Magic walked away. Several star players turned their backs on the Lakers. Brandon Ingram mentioned how glad he's not in LA anymore. Now, all of it is starting to make sense.

Jeanie and Rambis are two jackasses that know nothing about respecting a coach, especially someone who has won them a ring. Now, the Laker front office is starting to "qualify" their rumored treachery, leaking BS to the press about how players didn't respect Vogel. Jeanie Buss and both the Rambises can go to hell. F them both.

If I was Vogel, forger about being fired. I'd run away from this Jeanie, Rob, Rambis, Lebron (bleep) show.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:24 pm    Post subject:

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We didn't lose because of Vogel, Lebron or even Westbrook. We lost this season because of poor roster construction and AD (and maybe Nunn) being hurt.


There were many factors of course. I think the problem with Vogel though is that he not only never found the right buttons to push but he never settled into a lineup. I think they showed a stat on TV recently that said they had 40 starting lineups this season. I may be off on the exact number there but that is what it was from my recollection someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But there is no way to have continuity when you do that. Even lineups that played well would just inexplicably be shifted the next game.

If a team underperforms it's going to fall on the head coach. While injuries are a valid excuse for some of it, not all of it. Same with roster construction. The team didn't consistently play hard. They were bottom feeders on both ends of the floor.

Vogel coached the team to a title two years ago and that counts for something. But he also did that with an all-star list of assistant coaches and a player coach in Rondo. He may have been propped up a bit.

Everyone will have their own opinion on how much each element contributed to this disaster of a season. They all have a share of the blame. But given that the Lakers were a poor offensive team in each of the past two seasons. Given that they probably had the most disappointing season in Lakers history just now. He's almost certainly going to be fired in my opinion.

He's won a title though. He'll land on his feet. I don't think he's a bad coach. But he seemed to lose the team this season and at least some of those guys will be back next season. I just don't see how he can survive that and stay with the team.


No offense, but your response is exactly why players, and coaches, are reluctant to come to and/or coach the Lakers, and why other fans and the sports media constantly clowns us. Everything we do has to be qualified by a bunch of convoluted frivolity. We need to stop with all the over-analysis. A bad roster and the 2nd best player being injured is why the Lakers didn't make the playoffs this season. It's nothing more than that. You don't fire head coaches for (bleep) that a coach isn't responsible for.

Vogel has been coach for 3 seasons. Season 1, he won an NBA Championship. Season 2, he had the Lakers ready to move on to the 2nd round, and then AD got hurt. Season 3, we had the worst roster manipulation in the history of the franchise, and yet again, AD doesn't play for 50% of the games.

And for that, Vogel needs to get fired? WTF?

I swear to god, sometimes it's hard to be a Laker fan. Lebron and Klutch demand RW, and Vogel pays the price. Jeanie is too cheap to keep players, and Vogel pays the price. Rob fills the roster up with rift-raft, and Vogel pays the price. Anthony Davis misses half the season, and Vogel pays the price. Really? Is that how Laker head coaches are treated under Jeanie/Rambis/Rob?

You remember Monty and Lue turned us down. Magic walked away. Several star players turned their backs on the Lakers. Brandon Ingram mentioned how glad he's not in LA anymore. Now, all of it is starting to make sense.

Jeanie and Rambis are two jackasses that know nothing about respecting a coach, especially someone who has won them a ring. Now, the Laker front office is starting to "qualify" their rumored treachery, leaking BS to the press about how players didn't respect Vogel. Jeanie Buss and both the Rambises can go to hell. F them both.

If I was Vogel, forget about being fired. I'd run away from this Jeanie, Rob, Rambis, Lebron (bleep) show.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:31 pm    Post subject:

These two games certainly show why I think Frank should have been someone we stuck to longterm. Give him a group of active younger feisty guys and he will teach them defense(eventually) and you’ll be competitive. He did it with a lot of young players in Indiana and he did with Kuz, KCP, Caruso.

The combination of an unbalanced roster, lame duck extension and vets on this team this year who didn’t really want to do his defensive schemes destroyed his ability to coach, but he’s the best coach we had since Phil, by far.

I definitely can get on board with Nurse or Snyder but Westbrook is a cancer and problem and so is the mix of Rich Paul/Lebron hovering. We need the new coach (or better just keep Vogel because I don’t think an elite coach is coming here) to have a real roster free of the BS.

If Nurse or Snyder come and Jeanie is willing to pay $35M/5 ok. I’m on board. For the love of god give them freedom to do what they think is best for the team. Stay clear of Klutch and in no way shape or form is Westbrook to return to the Lakers.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:32 pm    Post subject:

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Frank Vogel has coached his final game for the Lakers, a decision that’s expected to be shared with him as soon as Monday, sources tell ESPN. Lakers’ search expected to be lengthy and expansive with no clear initial frontrunner.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1513374146234920962

Thank you Coach Vogel.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:35 pm    Post subject:

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Frank Vogel has coached his final game for the Lakers, a decision that’s expected to be shared with him as soon as Monday, sources tell ESPN. Lakers’ search expected to be lengthy and expansive with no clear initial frontrunner.


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Thank you Coach Vogel.

Surprised no one.

Thanks for the ring, Frank.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:37 pm    Post subject:

Thank you coach!!
Wish you weren’t the fall guy. Enjoy a well deserved vacay
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:37 pm    Post subject:

Love frank.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for 3 years, thanks for the championship. Good luck in the future coach
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:02 pm    Post subject:

He makes an asset on others benches as an assistant and will likely be a solid HC once again. If you can survive 3 years in LA with Bron you can survive anywhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:02 pm    Post subject:

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But it’s not, not….

GL, Frank…
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:50 pm    Post subject:

troy wrote:
I swear to god, sometimes it's hard to be a Laker fan. Lebron and Klutch demand RW, and Vogel pays the price. Jeanie is too cheap to keep players, and Vogel pays the price. Rob fills the roster up with rift-raft, and Vogel pays the price. Anthony Davis misses half the season, and Vogel pays the price. Really? Is that you head coaches are treated in Lakerland?


None of that matters when he lost the team. Or that he had over 40 starting lineups. Or that the team was in the bottom third on both ends. What he did two years ago is irrelevant if the team tuned him out.

Could he have had a better roster? Sure. But this was better than a 32 win roster. He needed to be better. What adjustments did he make which had a positive outlook? You could maybe say he was a mediocre coach this year, but you certainly can't say he did a good job. You can say that this team didn't have enough talent defensively, and that is probably a true statement. But he had plenty of offensive fire power and the Lakers yet they were 22nd in offensive rating.

As I said he isn't the only one to blame here. But you have to give him his fair share of the blame. He was not a good coach this season. If you disagree then please point out what would make you feel that way. Two years ago, yes, the team made great adjustments. His halftime adjustments were fantastic. That was not the case this season. And his assistants were also not the same. That tells me they had a pretty significant influence.

The bottom line though above all else is the players were not responding to him. If that is the case, you have to move on.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:49 pm    Post subject:

Austin Reaves and Malik Monk certainly sounded like they were supportive of Frank and vice versa.

Let’s be real the only issue is that Westbrook came into town. Was a dud. He’s not playoff Rondo. We tried to make him. When it didn’t work, we needed to lean on our defense, but instead of KCP, Caruso, Kuz level wings to defend now he had to rely on guys like Melo, Bazemore, THT, Monk.

There’s level to offense . But there’s level to defense as well. Dismantled the team, messed it up, and put it all on the coach. Pelinka/Rambis are amazing at doing this.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:11 am    Post subject:

Thanks for everything, coach.

Unlike our FO, you've always been a class act.
Wish you all the best.

I'll remember 2020 forever.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 am    Post subject:

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Thanks for everything, coach.

Unlike our FO, you've always been a class act.
Wish you all the best.

I'll remember 2020 forever.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:30 am    Post subject:

Should of fired him after preseason but better late than never
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:35 am    Post subject:

What about Duncan as head coach? Guy is pure IQ and has some experience under pop? I would also bring Battier as his assistant.. and then hire 2-3 Data Scientists
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:00 am    Post subject:

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Should of fired him after preseason but better late than never


He, the preseason the big 3 didn't play because they were easily going to figure it out, lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:15 am    Post subject:

Our next coach comes down to who is willing to deal with an old vet trying to catch kaj. Nothing more nothing less. You can be in denial about that all you want, it’s not about Jeanie or Rob or even ADs health or Russ.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:25 am    Post subject:

Honestly I don't think LBJ pursuit of Kareem is going to be a huge deal...barring an injury he IS going to pass Kareem whether it's this year coming up or the following, which by all indications is his intention in order to play with his son...and I think it's fair to say LBJ still puts a premium on championships like most great players do....the bigger piece will be how they deal with Russ if he isn't moved (hopefully that's unlikely, but you never know) and being part of the conversation to ensure what ever they get is useable in some way for what the coach wants to do...since it's pretty clear we aren't getting a third star...which also means we need a coach who can demand from AD he takes over as "that guy"
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:36 am    Post subject:

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Honestly I don't think LBJ pursuit of Kareem is going to be a huge deal...barring an injury he IS going to pass Kareem whether it's this year coming up or the following, which by all indications is his intention in order to play with his son...and I think it's fair to say LBJ still puts a premium on championships like most great players do....the bigger piece will be how they deal with Russ if he isn't moved (hopefully that's unlikely, but you never know) and being part of the conversation to ensure what ever they get is useable in some way for what the coach wants to do...since it's pretty clear we aren't getting a third star...which also means we need a coach who can demand from AD he takes over as "that guy"

Bron can’t be best player on champ team. I know it’s hard to come to grips with but without a 4 month break, and isolated conditions he has proven that. Those are facts.

Tell me what high end coach wants to coach him? IMHO the lakers will be forced to overpay a coach to want to coach him or find a college coach with inexperience or a retread dying to get seen. IMHO
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:50 am    Post subject:

Classless of Woj leaking the news when he did. You know he was given the green light to do this when he did it.

Funny, because my reaction is mixed. Sure, I knew Vogel was gone but part of me is pissed at Jeanie, Kurt & Linda, Rob, Lebron for putting us in this position to begin with.

Now that Vogel is gone, my hopes is that the media attacks Jeanie, Kurt, Rob, etc. Vogel was an easy scapegoat but I hope everyone rips into those idiots!!

Not really fair that Vogel shoulder the blame here.
He was great for us, until he wasn’t.
He was given a crappy set of cards this year.
Not the winning hand for any coach.

I wish him the best!!

Thanks, Frank!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:54 am    Post subject:

Finally it will be over soon.

Bye Frank. Thanks for being apart of the title team in 2020, but despite the roster turnover and injury issues, this team has completely underachieved, and it’s clear he’s lost the locker room at this point. Look at the Clippers if you want to see a team that has been dealt a terrible hand with injuries, yet they still played hard. That’s on the coach.

He was never good at coaching an offense either. Which is far more important in this league than ever. I want to finally see a team that looks like they know what they are doing on that front, instead of looking like a YMCA offense.

Time to just burn it down.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:56 am    Post subject:

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av3773 wrote:
Honestly I don't think LBJ pursuit of Kareem is going to be a huge deal...barring an injury he IS going to pass Kareem whether it's this year coming up or the following, which by all indications is his intention in order to play with his son...and I think it's fair to say LBJ still puts a premium on championships like most great players do....the bigger piece will be how they deal with Russ if he isn't moved (hopefully that's unlikely, but you never know) and being part of the conversation to ensure what ever they get is useable in some way for what the coach wants to do...since it's pretty clear we aren't getting a third star...which also means we need a coach who can demand from AD he takes over as "that guy"

Bron can’t be best player on champ team. I know it’s hard to come to grips with but without a 4 month break, and isolated conditions he has proven that. Those are facts.

Tell me what high end coach wants to coach him? IMHO the lakers will be forced to overpay a coach to want to coach him or find a college coach with inexperience or a retread dying to get seen. IMHO


Would you want to coach a team with Lebron Klutch James deciding who the players will be? Where your job security relies on Anthony Davis's health? Where, even if you win a NBA championship, you can still get fired two seasons after? And where an O.G. G-Leaguer in Rambis, and a Game of Thrones Wormtounge snake wannabe in Pelinka are waiting to ambush you?

Only a desperate fool would coach this Lakers team.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:58 am    Post subject:

Thanks, Frank!

I’m sure you would do some things a bit differently next time but no one would have succeeded with this season’s roster full of clowns.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:01 am    Post subject:

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Finally it will be over soon.

Bye Frank. Thanks for being apart of the title team in 2020, but despite the roster turnover and injury issues, this team has completely underachieved, and it’s clear he’s lost the locker room at this point. Look at the Clippers if you want to see a team that has been dealt a terrible hand with injuries, yet they still played hard. That’s on the coach.

He was never good at coaching an offense either. Which is far more important in this league than ever. I want to finally see a team that looks like they know what they are doing on that front, instead of looking like a YMCA offense.

Time to just burn it down.


Burn it down and rebuild what? You think Phil Jackson is going to come and rescue the Lakers? Defense wins championships, not offense. Every NBA team runs the same sort of offensive sets. Offensive coaching isn't really about X's and O's. It's about having players who know how to shoot the damn ball and actually make shots. You win based on defense. Every team that improved this season improved their defense. Do the research. You want on offensive team? Go ask D'antoni how that worked for him.
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