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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:00 pm    Post subject:

As much as I want to hate on AD he's accomplished more to me than guys like Embiid, Jokic and Towns. Sure those guys have better stats but Davis has proven that with a decent team he can help you win a championship.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:17 pm    Post subject:

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As much as I want to hate on AD he's accomplished more to me than guys like Embiid, Jokic and Towns. Sure those guys have better stats but Davis has proven that with a decent team he can help you win a championship.

Im sorry those guys all #1 while ad was #2 for title. Joel and joker are a tier above Day to dayvis
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:24 pm    Post subject:

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I think AD getting defensive is out of place. No one thinks he gets the injuries on purpose, nor does anyone think that the injuries are not significant. The issue is that he DOES, in fact, get injured, alot, and he's not doing the team any good by sitting down for 50% of the season, every season.

Any professional team is about winning. And if you can't contribute to that, then your presence is not doing the team any good, especially when you are getting paid so much salary.


I just don't understand how you can build a team around a guy who misses that many games, even if the injuries are all legit.

That said, AD isn't the only NBA Star missing lots of games, Silver addressed it publicly recently begging for a change.

The regular season has become close to meaningless in the current format, too many games being played with backups for big money tickets. The fans are turning off to it, compare and contrast to the NFL which has a regular season that is on fire with the players playing unless hurt bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:09 pm    Post subject:

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As much as I want to hate on AD he's accomplished more to me than guys like Embiid, Jokic and Towns. Sure those guys have better stats but Davis has proven that with a decent team he can help you win a championship.


He proved that Lebron could drag him to a title. As the top dog like Embiid, Jokic and Towns he has accomplished as much as they did with the exception of maybe Towns.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:14 pm    Post subject:

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Im sorry those guys all #1 while ad was #2 for title. Joel and joker are a tier above Day to dayvis


Davis was the team's leading scorer, in both the playoffs and the regular season. I do agree though that Lebron was more of the go to guy, but so was Kobe during the Shaq era.

I don't think you are giving AD enough credit. He led the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and steals that season while playing DPOY level defense.
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Im sorry those guys all #1 while ad was #2 for title. Joel and joker are a tier above Day to dayvis


Davis was the team's leading scorer, in both the playoffs and the regular season. I do agree though that Lebron was more of the go to guy, but so was Kobe during the Shaq era.

I don't think you are giving AD enough credit. He led the team in points, rebounds, blocks, and steals that season while playing DPOY level defense.


Depends what you mean as THE guy. As you said, Davis was the leading scorer, while also being the best defender by a margin. James is always with the ball so it looks like hes doing more, both on the statsheet and without paying attention to detail. But thats not something i necessary value so much. To me, they were co-stars that title run, with Davis having the slight edge due to defense
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:19 am    Post subject:

2020 Playoffs
Scoring PPG:
AD: 27.7
LeBron: 27.6

Efficiency/Shooting(TS%):
AD: 66.5%
LeBron: 64.7%

Contested rebs per game
AD: 4.3
LeBron: 2.6

Assists per game
AD: 3.5
LeBron: 8.8

Steals per game
AD: 1.2
LeBron: 1.2

Blocks per game
AD: 1.4
LeBron: 0.9

Defensive (diff%)
AD: -4.9%
LeBron: 0.3%

But ya'll go on and keep pretending like AD is someone we could just throw away
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:20 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
2020 Playoffs
Scoring PPG:
AD: 27.7
LeBron: 27.6

Efficiency/Shooting(TS%):
AD: 66.5%
LeBron: 64.7%

Contested rebs per game
AD: 4.3
LeBron: 2.6

Assists per game
AD: 3.5
LeBron: 8.8

Steals per game
AD: 1.2
LeBron: 1.2

Blocks per game
AD: 1.4
LeBron: 0.9

Defensive (diff%)
AD: -4.9%
LeBron: 0.3%

But ya'll go on and keep pretending like AD is someone we could just throw away


It's 2022 and u posting 2020 stats. This year he had played 40 and last year 36 games
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:22 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
2020 Playoffs
Scoring PPG:
AD: 27.7
LeBron: 27.6

Efficiency/Shooting(TS%):
AD: 66.5%
LeBron: 64.7%

Contested rebs per game
AD: 4.3
LeBron: 2.6

Assists per game
AD: 3.5
LeBron: 8.8

Steals per game
AD: 1.2
LeBron: 1.2

Blocks per game
AD: 1.4
LeBron: 0.9

Defensive (diff%)
AD: -4.9%
LeBron: 0.3%

But ya'll go on and keep pretending like AD is someone we could just throw away


It’s 2020? Holy hot tub time machine.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:19 pm    Post subject:

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It’s 2020? Holy hot tub time machine.


Come on VLF you were the one who pulled us through the 2020 time portal when you said...

venturalakersfan wrote:
He proved that Lebron could drag him to a title. As the top dog like Embiid, Jokic and Towns he has accomplished as much as they did with the exception of maybe Towns.


Career playoff stats:

AD: 27.3 points (53.8% fg, 32.6% 3p, 83.8% ft), 10.3 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.8 blocks in 37 minutes
Jokic: 25.9 points (51.2% fg, 40.6% 3p, 84% ft), 11.3 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.9 blocks in 37.1 minutes
Embiid: 24.2 points (46.3% fg, 32% 3p, 80.3% ft), 11.2 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.8 blocks in 32.8 minutes
Towns: 15.2 points (46.7% fg, 27.3% 3p, 73.9% ft), 13.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 0.4 steals, 1.0 blocks in 34 minutes
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venturalakersfan wrote:
It’s 2020? Holy hot tub time machine.


Come on VLF you were the one who pulled us through the 2020 time portal when you said...

venturalakersfan wrote:
He proved that Lebron could drag him to a title. As the top dog like Embiid, Jokic and Towns he has accomplished as much as they did with the exception of maybe Towns.


Career playoff stats:

AD: 27.3 points (53.8% fg, 32.6% 3p, 83.8% ft), 10.3 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.8 blocks in 37 minutes
Jokic: 25.9 points (51.2% fg, 40.6% 3p, 84% ft), 11.3 rebounds, 6.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.9 blocks in 37.1 minutes
Embiid: 24.2 points (46.3% fg, 32% 3p, 80.3% ft), 11.2 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.8 blocks in 32.8 minutes
Towns: 15.2 points (46.7% fg, 27.3% 3p, 73.9% ft), 13.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 0.4 steals, 1.0 blocks in 34 minutes


VLF loves to conveniently forget some things
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:47 am    Post subject:

AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.
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AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.
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As much as I want to hate on AD he's accomplished more to me than guys like Embiid, Jokic and Towns. Sure those guys have better stats but Davis has proven that with a decent team he can help you win a championship.


What's sad is those 3 guys if they were on the Lakers this year... we'd make the playoffs.
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Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.
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Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:29 pm    Post subject:

AD is the most skilled big man Lakers have had since Kareem.

DO NOT TRADE HIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020

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Lottery

That’s what I’m talking about
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Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020

Lottery
Bubble
Play in first round bounce
Lottery

That’s what I’m talking about


I never mentioned 2019. 2020 we won a championship, and had to play the next seaaon immediately after, because of the break and NBA not wanting to lose money. It hurt us in 2021. This season was a disaster, im not gonna excuse anyone
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020

Lottery
Bubble
Play in first round bounce
Lottery

That’s what I’m talking about


I never mentioned 2019. 2020 we won a championship, and had to play the next seaaon immediately after, because of the break and NBA not wanting to lose money. It hurt us in 2021. This season was a disaster, im not gonna excuse anyone

Bron has been here 4 years. Without the luxury of the bubble we have been bad.

He’s done as a full time player. Next year will be worse than this in regards to his health, however he said we had a successful season which we all know he meant him = Karl Malone

You can’t use excuses for failure then look at bubble as being normal.
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Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020

Lottery
Bubble
Play in first round bounce
Lottery

That’s what I’m talking about


I never mentioned 2019. 2020 we won a championship, and had to play the next seaaon immediately after, because of the break and NBA not wanting to lose money. It hurt us in 2021. This season was a disaster, im not gonna excuse anyone

Bron has been here 4 years. Without the luxury of the bubble we have been bad.

He’s done as a full time player. Next year will be worse than this in regards to his health, however he said we had a successful season which we all know he meant him = Karl Malone

You can’t use excuses for failure then look at bubble as being normal.


There is no luxury of the bubble
-both him and Davis were healthy all year
-both AllNBA 1st team, Davis should have won DPOY
-we were the best and hottest team when the break happened
-we lost home court advantage
-the break came just before the playoffs, not really in the middle of the seaaon, and not really when we were running on fumes

Other team benefited more because clearly, playing a season right after a chamoionship playoff run affected the team. James got hurt, Davis got hurt. If fresher and healthy, that team goes to the Finals. And has better chances against Milwaukee than Phoenix did.

I dont care much about James, i hold him accountable for this year, for us losing all assets as well, and for not bringing effort and leadership to this group of players. But im not gonna sit here and pretend we were barely standing in 2020, then got lucky the NBA went on break
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AD is the primary reason they won in 2020. Dude even had a legitimate case for DPOY. The team collapses when he's not healthy. Even a 75% AD changes the complexity of the Laker defense. So yeah, his health needs to be the biggest priority for the FO right now. They need to get a crew of the best doctors and mad scientists to figure out his injury woes. The moment he gets hurt again next season, it's over. They are at the whim of his injury situation, and that speaks volumes about how poorly the team is constructed.

4.5 month break and isolated circumstances were our mvp. If you disagree point to me what ad has done without that.

He needs to be moved and our rebuild needs to start. We may be marginally better next year but not nearly championship level. This 2 headed monster is not elite outside of some spurts.


The same break Leonard, Butler, Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Embiid etc had? Because of this break, AD had to go straight from playoffs to RS. It hurt us in 2021 when we had a more talented team than 2020.

Now do the 3 years bron didn’t have a break.


No idea what you are talking about, but youre wrong about 2020

Lottery
Bubble
Play in first round bounce
Lottery

That’s what I’m talking about


I never mentioned 2019. 2020 we won a championship, and had to play the next seaaon immediately after, because of the break and NBA not wanting to lose money. It hurt us in 2021. This season was a disaster, im not gonna excuse anyone

Bron has been here 4 years. Without the luxury of the bubble we have been bad.

He’s done as a full time player. Next year will be worse than this in regards to his health, however he said we had a successful season which we all know he meant him = Karl Malone

You can’t use excuses for failure then look at bubble as being normal.


There is no luxury of the bubble
-both him and Davis were healthy all year
-both AllNBA 1st team, Davis should have won DPOY
-we were the best and hottest team when the break happened
-we lost home court advantage
-the break came just before the playoffs, not really in the middle of the seaaon, and not really when we were running on fumes

Other team benefited more because clearly, playing a season right after a chamoionship playoff run affected the team. James got hurt, Davis got hurt. If fresher and healthy, that team goes to the Finals. And has better chances against Milwaukee than Phoenix did.

I dont care much about James, i hold him accountable for this year, for us losing all assets as well, and for not bringing effort and leadership to this group of players. But im not gonna sit here and pretend we were barely standing in 2020, then got lucky the NBA went on break

Sure there is. Both bron and him can’t stay healthy for real season. They have only proven effective with a 4 month break in isolated conditions. The heat were our finals opponent. IMHO they weren’t the best team in east, the other teams , as we heard in real time didn’t really want to be there. Not debatable
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I just said they were healthy for that entire season.

So only the teams that lost didnt want to be there, how convenient of a excuse.
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