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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:40 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:50 pm    Post subject:

From AD:

“Usually when the season’s over, for a month I just let my body heal, and then I’m going six weeks just straight weight training every day,” Davis said. “And then you get to the basketball part about a month and a half before training camp, but that kind of comes back easy.”
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:
From AD:

“Usually when the season’s over, for a month I just let my body heal, and then I’m going six weeks just straight weight training every day,” Davis said. “And then you get to the basketball part about a month and a half before training camp, but that kind of comes back easy.”


I would be ok with this if I had evidence to believe the basketball stuff would come back easy. To the contrary, however, AD was one of the worst mid range and three point shooters in the NBA last year; his freethrow percentage dipped as well. He should work to get his shot back.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:15 pm    Post subject:

100% agree that the statement by AD alone doesn't mean much, for all we know he might have been working on his defense/footwork whatever, just not shooting.

Entertaining take by Shannon Sharpe as always


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:50 pm    Post subject:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:
From AD:

“Usually when the season’s over, for a month I just let my body heal, and then I’m going six weeks just straight weight training every day,” Davis said. “And then you get to the basketball part about a month and a half before training camp, but that kind of comes back easy.”


We were hoping that your 3pt shot had come back if the "basketball part comes back easy".
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Trade Him...

The Lakers have a higher "Measure", he needs to step it up, his window is shorter than believed, with where this league is at.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:42 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:49 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...


Cuz shooting in May will make him be healthy... whew...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:02 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
Drifts wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...


Cuz shooting in May will make him be healthy... whew...


It could def. help him not being one of the worst outside shooters in all of Basketball though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:14 pm    Post subject:

hype wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Drifts wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...


Cuz shooting in May will make him be healthy... whew...


It could def. help him not being one of the worst outside shooters in all of Basketball though.


Year | 3pt%
2022: 18.6%
2021: 26.0%
2020: 33.0%
2019: 33.1%
2018: 34.0%
2017: 29.9%
2016: 32.4%

Were any of those years acceptable?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
hype wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Drifts wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...


Cuz shooting in May will make him be healthy... whew...


It could def. help him not being one of the worst outside shooters in all of Basketball though.


Year | 3pt%
2022: 18.6%
2021: 26.0%
2020: 33.0%
2019: 33.1%
2018: 34.0%
2017: 29.9%
2016: 32.4%

Were any of those years acceptable?


Last year was just straight up pathetic and to see him take the "usual" off season approach after having back to back Career worst shooting Seasons with the latter being the worst in the entire NBA makes him look worse for saying that imo.. His percentage last year is nearly half what it was in his first year with us and at that point it negates even elite shooting in the paint much of the time. He also loves to talk a big talk but when you aren't backing it up that also is extremely annoying to me. Saying all that, he can do whatever he wants in the off season and clearly couldn't care less about what fans think so it's more so just my personal feelings on it all I guess.

It's also kind of scary to think about how he will look once he is not in the middle of his prime years anymore. Some great players just simply don't have that determination to want to get better especially after back2back massively disappointing Seasons and simply "running it back" is plenty. I'm not saying all this is the end of he world for the Lakers or his success just a pretty bad look for the lone Superstar on the Lakers that is still in his Prime.

It's kind of like how last Season it wasn't a huge deal he got Married literally a few weeks before the Season started but probably not ideal. Outside of the 2020 Season especially in the Bubble it's been a pretty rough ride thus far. Thankfully we got the Championship to at least show for it no matter what but my confidence going forward is pretty slim personally.

Also, imo what JJ Reddick does as a role player specialist in the off season shouldn't quite be the same as a Prime Superstar for the Lakers after multiple disappointing Seasons yet i'm sure JJ's fully right in this case sadly.

I'm still all in on supporting AD and hope he shuts people tf up next Season because if he has yet another bad Season at 30 years old his value plummets even further and god only knows what our future looks like beyond that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Good points Hype.

1. If he's going off of athleticism and he's not hitting his outside shots, his game will definitely not age well.
2. It comes down to next year. It's put up or shut up time for the Brow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:02 pm    Post subject:

JJ Redick saying what AD did is normal, because he also took a couple months off of shooting, is not an apples to apples comparison.

Redick was solely an outside shooter who didn’t have any moves, dribbling, or passing ability to speak of. I would expect his practice consisted of shooting a ton of outside shots maybe from varying directions, some off the dribble, and others after catching the ball.

AD needs to work on moves inside and out so he can get to the rim. There’s no one shot or move he can work on that will keep him among the top players. He needs to work on a large variety of moves, shots, and finishes to at least keep up with if not get ahead of his competition.

I’ve said it many times before but only now people are making a big deal about AD’s f/t % dipping significantly after the championship. Not coincidentally, his 3 pt shot and even mid range shooting have suffered.

It brings back memories of Shaq healing on company time and it shows me the Lakers have a guy who gets paid like a superstar but doesn’t work like one. They won’t win next years championship with AD bringing last years abilities to the table. Apparently improvement in his game is out of the question, such as we saw when Julius and Ingram spent off seasons working to get better than they were before.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:12 am    Post subject:

I wish Kobe was around to give AD a shooting plan and training plan.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:37 am    Post subject:

Andy Kamenetzky made an interesting point about Davis. We keep talking about how Davis played in the bubble. Here are his shooting numbers from the bubble. He was making over 55% of his long twos (16 feet to the three point line) and over 38% of his threes:

http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/g904M

Now here are his career percentages:

http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/bSyP0

The point is that Bubble Davis isn't something that we can legitimately expect. His shooting in the bubble just wasn't sustainable. The way he has shot over the last two seasons is closer to his career norms than the way that he played in the bubble.

Maybe the rest of you knew this, but I didn't realize how much of an aberration we saw in the bubble.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:59 am    Post subject:

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The point is that Bubble Davis isn't something that we can legitimately expect. His shooting in the bubble just wasn't sustainable. The way he has shot over the last two seasons is closer to his career norms than the way that he played in the bubble.


He shot very well in the bubble but how he's shot the last couple years isn't more indicative of his shooting than that from three, from the long mid-range it is. Here is his three point shooting for example after his early years when he wasn't taking them:

32.4% on 1.8 attempts
29.9% on 1.8 attempts
34% on 2.2 attempts
33.1% on 2.6 attempts
33% on 3.5 attempts (this was the bubble year)
26% on 2.8 attempts
18.6% on 1.8 attempts

He was about a 32-33% three point shooter for 5 straight years before dropping off significantly the last two seasons. In the bubble year he shot 38.3% which is definitely batting above his average but it's about 5-6% over his average from the recent stretch where two years ago was 6-7% below and last year was like 15% below.

10-16' percentage over the years:

43.1%
43%
39.6%
46.7%
42.8%
40.8%
41.2% (bubble year)
41.5%
31.7%

In the bubble year playoffs he only shot 39.7% from 10-16' which is slightly below par. That accounted for 17.5% of his shots.

And 16'-3p:

43.1%
45.3%
42%
46.7%
42.8%
40.8%
41.2%
41.5%
31.7%

Last season he was terribly subpar.

In the bubble year he shot 55.2% from that range which was an incredibly hot streak about let's call it 12-14% above average. Last season he shot about 10-12% below his average from that range.

AD was a man on a mission that season and he was also hitting shots at a higher rate than usual. I think that is fair to say. However he also has traditionally been able to find another gear in the playoffs. His Suns series numbers are skewed because he was hurt and left games early. But in his other playoff appearances his numbers were:

31.5 points (54% fg), 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
30.1 points (52% fg, 27.3% 3p), 13.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 2 steals, 2.3 blocks
27.7 points (57.1% fg, 38.3% 3p), 9.7 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.4 blocks

He has generally shown that he has another gear for the playoffs.

What is most telling to me though is how bad he shot the ball across the board last season.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:17 am    Post subject:

J.C. Smith wrote:
AD was a man on a mission that season and he was also hitting shots at a higher rate than usual. I think that is fair to say. However he also has traditionally been able to find another gear in the playoffs. His Suns series numbers are skewed because he was hurt and left games early. But in his other playoff appearances his numbers were:

31.5 points (54% fg), 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 steals, 3 blocks
30.1 points (52% fg, 27.3% 3p), 13.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 2 steals, 2.3 blocks
27.7 points (57.1% fg, 38.3% 3p), 9.7 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.4 blocks

He has generally shown that he has another gear for the playoffs.


Not really. Here are his shooting numbers from his two playoff runs in New Orleans:

http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/LteVW

So he had one great shooting season in the playoffs -- the bubble. He hasn't matched it, or even come close to it, in any of his other playoff runs. He had another gear in the playoffs, but only in the bubble. The long twos and threes matter not just because of the points, but because he became virtually unguardable and generated spacing issues for other teams all by himself. If we expect him to do that again, we may just be disappointed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:42 am    Post subject:

People: AD needs to work on his body this off-season!!!

AD: I am not shooting basketballs right now, because I'm dedicating my time specifically to my body this off-season and I'll start shooting about a month before training camp.


People: Not shooting a basketball!??!?! HE OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T CARE!!!!




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:01 pm    Post subject:

Mr. 18.6% vs. the best shooter in NBA history

Which routine should I choose?

https://fit.nba.com/qa-with-steph-curry/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:13 pm    Post subject:

In all seriousness I think this is the trade to make...

AD + THT to the Bulls

Vucevic + Caruso + Patrick Williams + Coby White to the Lakers

Why Bulls do it? Looks like they're bringing back Lavine on a max deal. Bulls definitely won't give Vucevic a max deal after that. So you have him, Derozan, Lonzo and AD for a strong core.

Why Lakers do it? Replenish the empty cupboards. You get a solid 20/10 guy in Vucevic who doesn't have AD's upside but is steady. You get back Caruso. Patrick Williams is the key as he's the perfect SF. Coby White is a throw in.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:34 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Not really. Here are his shooting numbers from his two playoff runs in New Orleans:


Shooting wise he was on fire in the bubble, we can all agree on that. He's traditionally stepped it his performance in the playoffs though.

In 2015 he scored +7.1 points and grabbed +0.8 more rebounds from the regular season. Was pretty much the same in other categories with a 0.1-0.2 plus or minus. In 2018 he scored was +2 points and +2.3 rebounds per game. He led the playoffs in blocks both of those seasons, and led the playoffs in rebounds in 2018.

In 2020 he was +1.6 points, +0.4 rebounds but his blocks and steals dropped off in the playoffs. He shot the lights out.

While it may be unrealistic to expect him to duplicate the 38.3% he shot in the playoffs for that season, it's just as much of a reach to expect him to be an 18% three point shooter from now on. If he does then he's not working on his game and that's on him. Last season was statistically his worst shooting season by far. He was 11-12% worse than his career numbers from 10-16' and from three point last season. In that bubble season he was basically +5-6% over what he had been shooting for the past 5 years and during that season. Shooters can go hot and cold, and he was on fire.

AD is a guy who has traditionally stepped up his game in the playoffs though. A lot of guys do the opposite and when the aggression level increases and teams have time to prepare for them, their numbers decrease.

Joel Embiid for example has put up this combination in recent years in the playoffs:

-1.5 points (-4.7% fg)
-7.3 points (-5.6% fg)
+7 points (-1.8% fg)
-0.4 points (same fg)
-7 points (-1.5% fg)

I'm not concerned about AD when he's healthy. The only real issue I have with him is whether or not he can be relied on to stay healthy.
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https://twitter.com/HarrisonSanford/status/1536872210920398849

Look what you complainers caused!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:03 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
Drifts wrote:
epic_ wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
danzag wrote:
epic_ wrote:
carjoch831 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GarysheffieldJr/status/1536433698861486081


Not AD defender but watch JJ Redick's take on First Take. Lets not over react...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfxfbCBPf8

I think AD mentioned before that he focuses on weight training and conditioning the first 2 months of his off-season training.


For those who won't bother to click

JJ Redick wrote:
This is not a big deal at all. Every professional athlete has an off-season routine...

I didn't take a shot in any off-season until after July 4th. Didn't matter if we lost in the first round, conference finals, finals whatever. I took time to get my body right. I spent all of May, all of June in the weight room doing mobility, doing Pilates, doing conditioning; I got my body right.

And then once July 4th weekend happened. I was in there 6 days a week shooting, I took Saturdays off. I know a lot of guys across the NBA that follow a similar routine.


Seriously. Not a big deal.


No, b-b-b-b-but JUST-MING and IG said AD doesn't care about the game


We will see how he does next year, I’m a big AD fan you guys act like I’m inching to get rid of him, I’m just frustrated that his body seems to always align with a injury that keeps him out for weeks.


Every one of us is concerned about his injuries.
But not shooting the ball since April or eating seafood is the cause of him landing on Gobert's foot or McDaniel's running into his knee.


fortunately, like Reddick, AD shoots 3s lights out... whew...


Cuz shooting in May will make him be healthy... whew...


maybe not, but it sure won't make him any less healthier than he already is. but sure will make him a better player.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:11 pm    Post subject:

Davis clearly has no desire to improve. He’s peaked and he’s regressing now that he’s in L.A., won a ring, and got his contract. It’s as if he’s saying “once you catch the bus, why keep running?”
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:32 pm    Post subject:

Apparently Davis doesn’t like the criticism. He’s worked out with a shooting coach now
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