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KBandKB
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The most ideal scenario for THT to thrive in (which is evident in today’s game):
1. Ball in his hands
2. Empty paint, not clogged by non-shooters
3. No shot blockers
That’s why THT can only have these types of nights vary rarely. Those three elements don’t appear together often. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| KBandKB wrote: | The most ideal scenario for THT to thrive in (which is evident in today’s game):
1. Ball in his hands
2. Empty paint, not clogged by non-shooters
3. No shot blockers
That’s why THT can only have these types of nights vary rarely. Those three elements don’t appear together often. |
He thrives when it’s a game that doesn’t matter and he can go all ball hog for 48 minutes. |
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Ksig
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| KBandKB wrote: | The most ideal scenario for THT to thrive in (which is evident in today’s game):
1. Ball in his hands
2. Empty paint, not clogged by non-shooters
3. No shot blockers
That’s why THT can only have these types of nights vary rarely. Those three elements don’t appear together often. |
Ball is in his hands plenty as a backup. Tonight he had the ball in his hands as the #1 option. But its like how many wins are you going to get with THT as your #1 option?
Grats on the 40 bomb, but its game #80 when we're out of the playoffs, its too little too late. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | He thrives when it’s a game that doesn’t matter and he can go all ball hog for 48 minutes. |
He thrives with the ball in his hand and when he has spacing to work. He hasn't had either of those much this season. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | He thrives when it’s a game that doesn’t matter and he can go all ball hog for 48 minutes. |
He thrives with the ball in his hand and when he has spacing to work. He hasn't had either of those much this season. |
One good scoring game + a lot of bonehead plays. Let’s not over hype this clown. |
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J.C. Smith
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| anth2000 wrote: | | One good scoring game + a lot of bonehead plays. Let’s not over hype this clown. |
15-28 shooting and only two turnovers. Come on man, take a break from the Caruso anger and give the kid some props. |
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anth2000
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | One good scoring game + a lot of bonehead plays. Let’s not over hype this clown. |
15-28 shooting and only two turnovers. Come on man, take a break from the Caruso anger and give the kid some props. |
One good scoring game in a meaningless game, at that, and you want to give him props? Fine.
He was a ball hog and never passed the ball the whole game, this the reason he got 40 points.
I watched the same game…
Sure, good for him, a career high but let’s not call the kid something more than he is. |
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Dude is still younger then a lot of rookies (including ours).. He was in a god awful position this season where he didn't get to fully play his game at all but also had pretty much no veterans to mentor him along the way either. He had a disappointing season this year for sure compared to what many of us were hoping for but to call him an outright bum is just straight up being a bitter hater imo.. Anth in here working overtime and then some to supply that bitterness.
He still has a ways to go but I don't see a bum on either side of the ball personally, he's shown glimpses. He's not a Caruso/Reaves kind of mold that just simply fits as a solid role player on probably any roster.
He still needs an at least semi consistent outside shot and to use his off hand at least occasionally but those are absolutely things that can and will likely come with time. No reason to take out the frustration of the season out on him. |
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J.C. Smith
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| anth2000 wrote: | | He was a ball hog and never passed the ball the whole game, this the reason he got 40 points. |
Three assists beg to differ... As do numerous other potential assists. He also had some nice moment defensively, and 4 steals.
THT is just a pup. A second round pick with promise. Tonight he had similar elements to those he had in the preseason last year. He had the ball in his hands and the floor spread. So yeah it's a good sign that he responded with a big night.
Where else were the Lakers going to get their points tonight with no Lebron, AD, Russ, or Melo? It was primarily on THT and Monk. They both played well. |
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anth2000
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | He was a ball hog and never passed the ball the whole game, this the reason he got 40 points. |
Three assists beg to differ... As do numerous other potential assists. He also had some nice moment defensively, and 4 steals.
THT is just a pup. A second round pick with promise. Tonight he had similar elements to those he had in the preseason last year. He had the ball in his hands and the floor spread. So yeah it's a good sign that he responded with a big night.
Where else were the Lakers going to get their points tonight with no Lebron, AD, Russ, or Melo? It was primarily on THT and Monk. They both played well. |
Not trying to argue. You’re a fan, I’m not.
If he stays, he needs to work on his game.
Use both hands, versus one.
Practice the 3 ball.
And, last but not least, improve his basketball IQ. Sometimes he’s a dumbass out there.
For the record, it has nothing to do with Caruso. I just think the Lakers FO were overhyping THT and he got paid.
I am just not a fan. Maybe he will get better and it will change my mind. |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | He was a ball hog and never passed the ball the whole game, this the reason he got 40 points. |
Three assists beg to differ... As do numerous other potential assists. He also had some nice moment defensively, and 4 steals.
THT is just a pup. A second round pick with promise. Tonight he had similar elements to those he had in the preseason last year. He had the ball in his hands and the floor spread. So yeah it's a good sign that he responded with a big night.
Where else were the Lakers going to get their points tonight with no Lebron, AD, Russ, or Melo? It was primarily on THT and Monk. They both played well. |
Not trying to argue. You’re a fan, I’m not.
If he stays, he needs to work on his game.
Use both hands, versus one.
Practice the 3 ball.
And, last but not least, improve his basketball IQ. Sometimes he’s a dumbass out there.
For the record, it has nothing to do with Caruso. I just think the Lakers FO were overhyping THT and he got paid.
I am just not a fan. Maybe he will get better and it will change my mind. |
It’s one thing not to be a fan.
But calling him a clown, horrible, and trash with every other post is borderline psycho hater lol.
Everyone knew he would look bad next to Russ. Is he a perfect player? No. But without Russ he showed he can be an effective player with more on ball opportunities which is his game.
Having him stand in the corner isn’t playing to his strengths.
He might not be a good fit for our team but he isn’t a clown or trash like you say with every other post. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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Still a big believer in the kid.
The hate he gets as a 3rd year player is insane.
It’s not his fault our FO didn’t lock him up as a second rounder and that he was eligible for a bigger deal this year.
The FO withheld him from a Lowry trade and hyped him up.
Then they turned around and traded for Russ who THT can’t fit with. Getting russ basically stunted the kids growth.
He has a lot to work out but posters here calling him a clown, dumbass, and idiot as a 21 year old is insane.
The game threads are crazy here cause grown men on here are losing their minds and nitpicking every play he does lol. |
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dabask11
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THT's game today is exactly why the lakers should have sold high when they had the chance.
Watch him be inconsistent next year again because the FO/coaching staff doesn't know how to develop him or put him in the position to succeed like all our previous draft picks.
Then he leaves the lakers and does well because his new team isn't as clueless to basketball as our FO. |
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| dabask11 wrote: | THT's game today is exactly why the lakers should have sold high when they had the chance.
Watch him be inconsistent next year again because the FO/coaching staff doesn't know how to develop him or put him in the position to succeed like all our previous draft picks.
Then he leaves the lakers and does well because his new team isn't as clueless to basketball as our FO. |
Ahh, so the problem isn't THT, it's the FO/coaching staff. |
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If you can trade Westbrook for a defensive wing and center you can slot THT at the main guard position next season and allow AD and LeBron to be your primary options in the starting lineup.
That said, THT is the kind of player the Lakers trade when he isn't a superstar, goes somewhere else and plays like a star, only to have Lakers fans backtrack and say "Well he wouldn't have done that here."
Not getting Russell Westbrook is what really would have helped him.
That said, he has work to do this off-season. He needs to work on having a jump shot that isn't set up with a stepback, he needs to work on his left hand, and he needs to continue to add size and strength that's going to come. Also dedicate himself to angles and defense.
One of THT's biggest values for us given his frame, is his defensive upside before his offensive one. If he can become a solid defensive player that is worth it for us.
Standing in a corner doesn't maximize his potential, but working on his three point shot will open things up indefinitely for him.
All that said, this kid had his first 40 point game to go along with 4 steals. Those of you deciding to use tonight to complain or scheme who to trade him for while calling him basically worthless need to evaluate if you actually are a fan of this team or only showing up to be negative.
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J.C. Smith
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| Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Ahh, so the problem isn't THT, it's the FO/coaching staff. |
It's never one problem. But if you are wondering why THT is inconsistent and just a role player at the moment there are many reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that he just turned 21 a few months ago.
He was a second round pick. High upside, relatively raw talent. It's going to take him time to become the player he will become. And what that player will be, is still uncertain. But what is certain is that it will take him time to get there. But for context he's younger right now than Caruso, Nance, Hart, Kuzma, or Clarkson were as rookies. That's easy to forget since he's been in the league a few years already.
As such though, he has some holes in his game that he needs to address if he ever wants to reach his ceiling. The most glaring is his lack of a consistent jumper.
That having been said, the roster construction this year was not ideal for him to thrive. He and Westbrook can not play together. Especially not when you also pair them with other non-shooters. They both wind up suffering as a result of that, due to clogged lanes, and teams will be willing to sag off them and live with the results. That lack of a jumper also prevents him from providing proper spacing, making it an issue to play him off ball.
Why did he excel tonight? Or in last years SPL? Because they put the ball in his hands, made him the primary ball handler and gave him the freedom to attack. That's when he's at his best. He was opened up tonight because of AD, Lebron, Russ, and Melo all sitting this one out and him receiving opportunities to do what he does best. And the fact that he was able to knock down some jumpers certainly helped.
The talent is there. For him to unlock it though he needs situations where he is the primary ball handler and has the green light. More than anything though he needs experience.
We've seen this same song and dance from Lakers fans repeatedly. All of those Lakers who are now thriving on other teams, each and every one of them (except maybe Caruso who was a fan favorite) was ripped by Lakers fans while they were gaining their experience. And most of those guys came in with larger expectations than THT. None of them reached them had began peaking at his age.
Ingram was the closest to it. Randle was criticized for having no jump shot and not being able to finish in traffic, while turning the ball over too much. Lonzo was unable to score effectively, and couldn't hit a jump shot. Russell was an inefficient chucker with a bad attitude. The other guys were still in school. |
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| He started out missing games due to a hand ligament surgery. Then he was out for Covid. Then he was messed up mentally for being in trade rumors for 2 months. Let’s see how he does tomorrow when OKC game plans for him. You could see he is putting in work, just no way to show with Russ, Lebron, Melo, handling the shots. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Ahh, so the problem isn't THT, it's the FO/coaching staff. |
It's never one problem. But if you are wondering why THT is inconsistent and just a role player at the moment there are many reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that he just turned 21 a few months ago.
He was a second round pick. High upside, relatively raw talent. It's going to take him time to become the player he will become. And what that player will be, is still uncertain. But what is certain is that it will take him time to get there. But for context he's younger right now than Caruso, Nance, Hart, Kuzma, or Clarkson were as rookies. That's easy to forget since he's been in the league a few years already.
As such though, he has some holes in his game that he needs to address if he ever wants to reach his ceiling. The most glaring is his lack of a consistent jumper.
That having been said, the roster construction this year was not ideal for him to thrive. He and Westbrook can not play together. Especially not when you also pair them with other non-shooters. They both wind up suffering as a result of that, due to clogged lanes, and teams will be willing to sag off them and live with the results. That lack of a jumper also prevents him from providing proper spacing, making it an issue to play him off ball.
Why did he excel tonight? Or in last years SPL? Because they put the ball in his hands, made him the primary ball handler and gave him the freedom to attack. That's when he's at his best. He was opened up tonight because of AD, Lebron, Russ, and Melo all sitting this one out and him receiving opportunities to do what he does best. And the fact that he was able to knock down some jumpers certainly helped.
The talent is there. For him to unlock it though he needs situations where he is the primary ball handler and has the green light. More than anything though he needs experience.
We've seen this same song and dance from Lakers fans repeatedly. All of those Lakers who are now thriving on other teams, each and every one of them (except maybe Caruso who was a fan favorite) was ripped by Lakers fans while they were gaining their experience. And most of those guys came in with larger expectations than THT. None of them reached them had began peaking at his age.
Ingram was the closest to it. Randle was criticized for having no jump shot and not being able to finish in traffic, while turning the ball over too much. Lonzo was unable to score effectively, and couldn't hit a jump shot. Russell was an inefficient chucker with a bad attitude. The other guys were still in school. |
Good points. Pretty much agree with all of them. I'm just tired of this tradition we have of trading away all of our youngsters like we are the NBA's farm team. I would rather have a FO/coaching staff that would draft young talent and see it through. I don't trust the current staff to do it though. |
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LakersForever123
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I find it funny that so many haters don’t like THT.
Be patient, he will be a star. |
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| KBandKB wrote: | The most ideal scenario for THT to thrive in (which is evident in today’s game):
1. Ball in his hands
2. Empty paint, not clogged by non-shooters
3. No shot blockers
That’s why THT can only have these types of nights vary rarely. Those three elements don’t appear together often. |
That’s what Westbrook and LBJ needs to and that’s why it is difficult for them to play together |
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| LakersForever123 wrote: | I find it funny that so many haters don’t like THT.
Be patient, he will be a star. |
Just remember when you see the fans bashing a 21 year old, calling the 40 point game meaningless, taking credit away and doing whatever they can to rain all over it....
Just remember how they'd have reacted if the 28 year old Alex Caruso or 26 year old Kyle Kuzma had done it.
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GO THT!!
Get that trade value sky high buddy!!
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We were so much better off keeping Caruso, KCP, Kuz and letting THT be the primary creator off the bench.
All Rob needed to do was find some more bigs, sign a shooter for the MMLE and we would be in ten times a better spot then we are.
Sigh.
Nice game by THT. Without Westbrook clogging up the paint and the ball, THT had his chances. |
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THT has to work on and improve several aspects of his offensive game but I think where he can really make a difference is on DEFENSE.
That is where his true potential upside lies.
IMO THT has the physical tools to be a good defender if he puts more effort, focus and energy into that facet of his game.
He has shown flashes of his defensive prowess but has been inconsistent so far.
I hoped Coach Vogel could unlock some of his defensive potential but the results have been mixed at best.
THT has work to do but IMO he could become a solid contributor on both ends of the floor if he continues to develop his skill-set and understanding of the game. |
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