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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:10 pm    Post subject:

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So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

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Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Tucker was poised to have a major uptick in his role leading into the season, having not yet turned 21. He then had thumb surgery, caught Covid, and is working his way back into a rotation that itself is in flux.

Lots to be concerned with at this point. But we haven’t seen enough yet to know what he’s going to be, even in the immediate.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:33 pm    Post subject:

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I'm all for trading him if it's a trade that clearly bolsters us up for the next season or two but if not I have no doubt we'll regret trading him sooner then later.. I know many here don't believe in his shot but I strongly believe he'll be an at worst solid perimeter shooter within the next year or two going forward. He has the natural talent and fantastic work ethic from everything i've seen and heard. He came back this season and had back 2 back stellar games then got in a huge mental funk playing in that Bron and Russ lineup which he should have never remained in for as long as he was.


This kid's shot will never be there....Ive seen enough shots to know which ones have it and which ones dont. This kid's slow ass release and funky shot???? No way. Its why Kobe 2003-2009 was a much better 3 ball shooter than slow ass release 2012-2013 Kobe. Certain mechanics you just know will never be great shooters. There are very few exceptions. Sam Perkins with his lefty flat ass perimeter shot (one which he didnt use while with us but the Supersonics had the foresight to use to devastating effect) and Terry Porter - a guy whose form u dont think would be that efficient but truly is.

Now had Magic Johnson played in this era??? That shotput 3-ball always looks effortless and had he practiced that non-stop, I could see that shot going in consistently. James Worthy with his butt sticking out set shot 3 ball - not likely.


Nah, you acting like you know for a fact he wont because "you've seen enough shots to know" is a bit arrogant and ridiculous imo.. You have no idea at all what will happen over the next few years just like I do not either. I've seen this fanbase come to wrong conclusions every single season i've been a fan (and that completely includes myself at times). Some of the greatest Basketball minds in history have big misses on judgement as well, nobody knows for sure especially on players with good work ethic, clear potential and are still young. THT right now is the age of many rookies and has already addressed multiple times that he needs to work on his shot, defense and his off hand which gives me confidence personally since i've read from just about anyone from within the organization that he has great work ethic and a very high ceiling that he has not come close to reaching yet.

How good of a shooter will he become or even more importantly how good of a legitimate 2 way player will be become over the next year or two when he is at 22-23 years old? You don't have a clue for sure to that answer just as I don't but i'd be willing to bet in the least he will continue to improve overall.

I think he has very nice touch and an already solid game from within 15 or so feet especially when he's calmed down. I also see a guy who shows great defensive flashes especially 1on1 but still has a ways to go with his team defense and that usually only gets better with actual experience. He's even shown some great playmaking potential at times.

As i've said, i'm not against trading him if it fills a clear role player void for the next few years at least since I get were in full Championship or bust mode but anything else? I'm fully against as I still see a green, barely 21 year old hard working kid that has high potential on both ends. To put it in even more perspective, Austin Reaves who has been killing it as a Rookie is 2 years older then THT currently.

Some of the takes in here are ridiculous.. You got Ventura even spewing crazy takes like saying THT will never be more then an average player because of a single response he made when he said he watched movies during Covid. That's just an extraordinarily lazy take for anyone that actually follows the Lakers closely and have heard all the countless mention of him being a hard worker since he was drafted. You should never make a full conclusion from a single sound bite......

There's plenty of room for discussion here but to claim he's going to be a clear star or go polar opposite and say average at best is just lazy and doesn't bring anything worthwhile to a discussion imo.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:42 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.


If he can be a Terance Mann at 25 then he would be a real asset to his team. I just don’t see him developing that shot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Age is no longer a factor, the team has invested a significant part of their cap in him and let a better player walk. He is in the big boy league now and is expected to contribute to winning. After two good games he might be ready to.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:26 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet
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2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet


Reddish is not worth that pick.
I actually don’t even know if Grant is but I understand if we did it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:50 am    Post subject:

The timing for THT may be off. Like with Randle, who I liked (especially in Kobe's last game, JR proved his ability to help a star win with those screens and effort he set in that game, while a guy like DLO just went into a ghost mode) I think THT has talent to help stars win. I think he an be a complement piece.

But like 21 year old JR I think he is years away. He needs the reps. He needs the mistakes. He needs the adjustments. Most important, he needs the jumpshot that isn't there and likely won't be there until mid-career.

So we are maybe 2-3 years away from getting the THT that we can rely on, because he's not a 3nD type low usage role guy, he's more a higher creating usage guy and we may not have the time to wait on him.

In the end, it is what it is, but to dismiss THT after these many games is foolish, but to also think he will become a reliable high quailty role player is unrealistic. He has no consistent jumpshot, and in the playoffs, a THT/WB lineup will be unplayable.

Once again, a lot of our issues are resolved by moving WB. It opens up creating chances for THT and if you could instead get some 3nD shooting wings for WB, you now can have THT play more on the ball and create with shooting wings spacing the floor. Since WB is not going to get you those pieces, the Lakers may just have to instead move THT for a wing that play off WB.

We know Monk fits next to WB/Bron. AD is AD. Best defender (in value) on the team. Who is that 5th guy. That's the guy we could be tempted to get via trade with THT, if available. When Nunn returns, a move is absolutely needed. Especially with the way Avery has played. Monk/Reaves/Avery have proved their value at the 2/3. Nunn seems on paper like he will fit. To me, it's obvious. You can't go beyond the trade deadline with both WB/THT. Not only will their lineups be unplayable in the playoffs, you also have to balance out the payroll. One of them should be moved, and since WB's contract (and AD/Bron commitment to him) makes it hard to move, I do think there's a decent chance we move THT.

The Grant move doesn't make as much sense, as would a move for an expiring contract 3nD role player, and a future draft pick. You gain a longterm asset with the pick, and you gain a player that opens up capspace to keep Monk in the offseason while also bringing some role player skills we need around AD/Bron/WB. That's the sort of move we shoulf be angling for, IMO. Or trading WB, but this is so much more difficult to pull off.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:42 am    Post subject:

Lakesh0wtime wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet


Reddish is not worth that pick.
I actually don’t even know if Grant is but I understand if we did it.


This is where teams and GMs get in trouble…when they just look at names without diving deep into the scouting.

Lakers are one team that can’t afford to overpay because they have already wasted so many assets.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:30 pm    Post subject:

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Lakesh0wtime wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet


Reddish is not worth that pick.
I actually don’t even know if Grant is but I understand if we did it.


This is where teams and GMs get in trouble…when they just look at names without diving deep into the scouting.

Isn’t that how we got the #1 picks that became Magic Johnson and James Worthy?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:14 pm    Post subject:

It’s going to be a different world if the 2027 pick is #1.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:53 pm    Post subject:

Missed the game. How come he only played 18 minutes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:27 pm    Post subject:

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Missed the game. How come he only played 18 minutes



THT hit his first 2 3s plus an and one. He had 8 points in his first 4 minutes. Then he had foul trouble. Came back and hit another 3 and layup. It was really over by then.
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Lakesh0wtime wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet


Reddish is not worth that pick.
I actually don’t even know if Grant is but I understand if we did it.


This is where teams and GMs get in trouble…when they just look at names without diving deep into the scouting.

Isn’t that how we got the #1 picks that became Magic Johnson and James Worthy?


Yes. The short sighted Cavs owner had the Stepien rule named after him. I have a sneaky feeling the Pelinka rule will be that you can't deal 1st round picks further out than 7 years.
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Laker4lifer4real wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Lakesh0wtime wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
2019 wrote:
LakersForever123 wrote:
So still Reddish over THT?

Reddish- zero points.

THT= 21 points

😂


Im not a fan of THT personally... not that I dislike him, I just don't see a future star in the making. That said, his last 2 games, like his first 2 back this season, have been super impressive.

Ideally Nunn + Baze/DJ + 2027 1st + Two 2nds for Reddish. ATL gets a quality backup guard and we take a flier on a big wing.

You trade our valuable 2027 for Reddish? Grant, I understand, but redfish hasn’t prove he can be a star yet


Reddish is not worth that pick.
I actually don’t even know if Grant is but I understand if we did it.


This is where teams and GMs get in trouble…when they just look at names without diving deep into the scouting.

Isn’t that how we got the #1 picks that became Magic Johnson and James Worthy?


Yes. The short sighted Cavs owner had the Stepien rule named after him. I have a sneaky feeling the Pelinka rule will be that you can't deal 1st round picks further out than 7 years.


Not quite.

We got the picks because the Jazz & Cavs owners were racists.

The Jazz signed 33 year old Gail Goodrich as a free agent. NBA free agency rules at the time called for the Lakers to be compensated. The Jazz, eager to pair another white star with Pete Maravich, agreed to send 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder to the Lakers in exchange for Goodrich, a #1 and a #2.

The Cavs traded a future #1 pick and promising young guard Butch Lee to the Lakers for defensive specialist Don Ford and a #1.

The Jazz wanted another white star to pair with Pete Maravich and the Cavs owner wanted "role models for white kids."

In both cases, neither deal looked horrible at the time they were made.

The Magic pick was 3 years in the future and Pete Maravich got hurt in 78-79, which caused the Jazz to tumble in the standings and made the Lakers pick #1.

The Worthy pick was 2 years in the future for Cleveland, which had some good young pieces. But they tore the franchise up with bad trades and by 82, it was a laughing stock and the Lakers had the #1 pick again.

For the historians, it's noteworthy that Bill Sharman - not Jerry West - made those trades as Lakers GM.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:58 am    Post subject:

Today is the MF day. Trade this mf. If this team is all in on a championship this kid is gone.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:45 pm    Post subject:

THT is my least favorite Laker by the mile. I think he’s worse than Westbrook if you take their respective contracts out of it. He’s just such a bad fit with this roster and with Westbrook in particular. The only thing he does well - slash to the rim - is something that other Lakers can do better. He isn’t good at any other thing including finishing at the rim. He gets lost defensively. He can’t shoot. He can’t make left handed layups. The Lakers have to jettison his salary and get whatever they can get back. Though I’m afraid it’s going to take another first round pick to get anything of value back for him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:11 pm    Post subject:

PICKnPOP wrote:
Today is the MF day. Trade this mf. If this team is all in on a championship this kid is gone.


Damn what did he do to hurt your feelings ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:14 pm    Post subject:

Jan 15!!!!

Lakers better do something cause this product ain't competing...
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Jan 15!!!!

Lakers better do something cause this product ain't competing...


That’s on Russ and AD.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:20 pm    Post subject:

I can see him developing his game for sure, but I don’t see him being anything special. He has a lot to work on. He’s a below average defender, three point shooter, distributor, and although his back hand layup looks cool, he’s not a finishing threat.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:27 pm    Post subject:

THT just becoming a 35% three point shooter would open up his game in so many ways it'd make the Lakers fans that gave up on another young 21 year old talent "too soon" yet again.

But again, it wasn't gonna happen in a single off-season, particularly with the injury.

So once more, understand what he's good at, try to maximize that. He's good at slashing and catching a rhythm from mid off the dribble, work on that. Not making him a stand in the corner 3 point shooter.

The Lakers should be using THT as a weapon in more off the ball cuts than they do. That's for sure.
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THT just becoming a 35% three point shooter would open up his game in so many ways it'd make the Lakers fans that gave up on another young 21 year old talent "too soon" yet again.

But again, it wasn't gonna happen in a single off-season, particularly with the injury.

So once more, understand what he's good at, try to maximize that. He's good at slashing and catching a rhythm from mid off the dribble, work on that. Not making him a stand in the corner 3 point shooter.

The Lakers should be using THT as a weapon in more off the ball cuts than they do. That's for sure.


Even when he slants teams know what side of the rim he’s finishing at. He’s predictable at this point.
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I would rather develop reaves than THT at this point.
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