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| epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players. |
Lakers without a sane LeBron and almost without AD almost got swept
I would like to see where the celebrated Clips role players would lead the team without KL and almost without PG
Would really be curious to see that |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son.
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| MJST wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son. |
what was the story again with Jeannie/Jerry? was it Phil? |
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| MJST wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son. |
There was a report that old Jerry was looking for 5m/yr for consultation. Good we didn’t pay him that and baldmer did. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players. |
This is some interesting stuff.
The Clippers got Kawhi for free which led to PG coming here. Is that how it works? So the only way you judge a FO is to see how the team plays without their stars? That don't make sense to me.
Also you said ever since Ballmer took over the teams have gone opposite directions. The Lakers won a chip. So that's false.
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| MJST wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son. |
Jerry's getting $4 million to $5 million per season.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248247/Jerry-West-Earning-$4M-$5M-Per-Year-With-Clippers
He has probably earned more in his 4 years with the Clippers than in his 40 years with the Lakers.
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| governator wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son. |
what was the story again with Jeannie/Jerry? was it Phil? |
It was money.
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| epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players. |
This is some interesting stuff.
The Clippers got Kawhi for free which led to PG coming here. Is that how it works? So the only way you judge a FO is to see how the team plays without their stars? That don't make sense to me.
Also you said ever since Ballmer took over the teams have gone opposite directions. The Lakers won a chip. So that's false. |
Clippers without Kawhi played much better than Lakers without AD so Clippers have done a better job signing their role players. Clippers advanced further and Lakers regressed so they moved in opposite directions this year.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players. |
This is some interesting stuff.
The Clippers got Kawhi for free which led to PG coming here. Is that how it works? So the only way you judge a FO is to see how the team plays without their stars? That don't make sense to me.
Also you said ever since Ballmer took over the teams have gone opposite directions. The Lakers won a chip. So that's false. |
Clippers without Kawhi played much better than Lakers without Lebron so Clippers have done a better job signing their role players. Clippers advanced further and Lakers regressed so they moved in opposite directions this year. |
Clippers should play better without Kawhi than the Lakers without LeBron because Lebron is a much more impactful player than Kawhi.
As for the teams moving in opposite directions . . . the difference is health. Ceteris paribus, Lakers >>>> Clippers.
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I don’t see much difference this season between the Lakers roster and the Clippers roster.
Clippers role players are performing.
Lakers role players woefully underperformed and should be concerned about their job status. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | I don’t see much difference this season between the Lakers roster and the Clippers roster.
Clippers role players are performing.
Lakers role players woefully underperformed and should be concerned about their job status. |
note a single role player performed this year for lakers and every one of role player is out performing for the clippers.
that is the only difference i see |
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People are downplaying the coaching.
Clips are playing small ball.
Remember when we finally played small ball in the dying moments of Game 6 when we started chipping away at the big lead?
Lue is letting them play small and fly with 3 pointers while we had to trot out traditional centers just because.
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| LGFan wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | I don’t see much difference this season between the Lakers roster and the Clippers roster.
Clippers role players are performing.
Lakers role players woefully underperformed and should be concerned about their job status. |
note a single role player performed this year for lakers and every one of role player is out performing for the clippers.
that is the only difference i see |
I agree mostly except the every Clipper over performing part. Guys like Beverly and Kennard were benched even...only Reggie Jackson imo is over performing relative to his career.
Mann is ascending but he’s still young player with room for growth.
For the Lakers, not a single role player performed to their capability and I would say a handful of them were just dreadful, to the point where I would be (bleep) bricks if I were them. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | People are downplaying the coaching.
Clips are playing small ball.
Remember when we finally played small ball in the dying moments of Game 6 when we started chipping away at the big lead?
Lue is letting them play small and fly with 3 pointers while we had to trot out traditional centers just because. |
So I have 2 issues with this:
1. The Lakers won with Vogel (I agree there was more politics this season, but still).
2. The Lakers generate just as many open shots and probably more than the Clippers. Didn’t they have some historically bad shooting percentage on wide open 3s?
I mean the Lakers wide open shooting was pretty damn embarrassing. That’s not a coaching thing tbh...all you can ask for in this league is semi-wide open shots and the Lakers weren’t lacking in open looks. |
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| governator wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Ballmer didn't have to pay much of anything once Jeanie Buss refused to allow Jerry West to come back to the Lakers as a consultant so he could spend his basketball stop with his son. |
what was the story again with Jeannie/Jerry? was it Phil? |
Yes, phil. Jerry didn't like phil nor did he approve of his relationship with Jeanie. Felt it was unethical. Jerry Buss felt the same way, also didn't like Phil; which caused a riff in both Jerry's relationship with Jeanie. Jerry ended up leaving the franchise because of his disdain for Phil and how it affected his health. He also felt Jerry Buss just allowed phil to ruin the aura in the franchise. Jerry didn't much appreciate Phil and didn't re-sign him. Before that decision, Jeanie, out of emotions was asked on national television if she thinks the Lakers would re-sign phil in the season when they faced Pistons in the finals. She said "it doesn't matter what phil does, they won't re-sign him." She knew her father didn't like Phil. Jerry didn't end up re-signing Phil, Jeanie left the franchise for a while. Started doing videos with Phil. Ever since that time, she had some thing against Jerry West. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | People are downplaying the coaching.
Clips are playing small ball.
Remember when we finally played small ball in the dying moments of Game 6 when we started chipping away at the big lead?
Lue is letting them play small and fly with 3 pointers while we had to trot out traditional centers just because. |
So I have 2 issues with this:
1. The Lakers won with Vogel (I agree there was more politics this season, but still).
2. The Lakers generate just as many open shots and probably more than the Clippers. Didn’t they have some historically bad shooting percentage on wide open 3s?
I mean the Lakers wide open shooting was pretty damn embarrassing. That’s not a coaching thing tbh...all you can ask for in this league is semi-wide open shots and the Lakers weren’t lacking in open looks. |
Well, Vogel force fed having Drummond start, and going with traditional bigs. That really hurt our team's speed, spacing, and defense. I'm saying Lue saw that quickly and took Zubac out of the rotation basically. Morris just had a field day with DPOY Gobert.
We had open 3s. We didn't make them (and look at our supposed 3 point snipers in KCP/Wes/even 40% RS AC, they all shot under 30%. In fact Dennis inexplicably shot better from 3 than our 3 point snipers). But we also didn't generate good looks b/c of our aforementioned spacing issues with traditional bigs.
Lue made quicker adjustment. Vogel literally trotted out a small ball lineup for the first time in the 2nd half of Game 6.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | People are downplaying the coaching.
Clips are playing small ball.
Remember when we finally played small ball in the dying moments of Game 6 when we started chipping away at the big lead?
Lue is letting them play small and fly with 3 pointers while we had to trot out traditional centers just because. |
Guaranteeing the starter role to Drums was the worst move of the season in hindsight
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yeah, frank knows all about "small ball". i remember him being a little snide with "Drummond will start" when asked. basically, he had no choice. it was part of the prerequisites to getting him on waivers.
i also get the vibe if given input, he would not have signed Trez. no 3 ball and turnstile defense. Vogel thought Keif was suitable enough for a small ball center. he was right. |
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Vogel went small in game 6 because he was like "F it, who cares what Rob wants at this point". i think he'll have enough receipts to go "let me do the coaching, thanks!"
| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | People are downplaying the coaching.
Clips are playing small ball.
Remember when we finally played small ball in the dying moments of Game 6 when we started chipping away at the big lead?
Lue is letting them play small and fly with 3 pointers while we had to trot out traditional centers just because. |
So I have 2 issues with this:
1. The Lakers won with Vogel (I agree there was more politics this season, but still).
2. The Lakers generate just as many open shots and probably more than the Clippers. Didn’t they have some historically bad shooting percentage on wide open 3s?
I mean the Lakers wide open shooting was pretty damn embarrassing. That’s not a coaching thing tbh...all you can ask for in this league is semi-wide open shots and the Lakers weren’t lacking in open looks. |
Well, Vogel force fed having Drummond start, and going with traditional bigs. That really hurt our team's speed, spacing, and defense. I'm saying Lue saw that quickly and took Zubac out of the rotation basically. Morris just had a field day with DPOY Gobert.
We had open 3s. We didn't make them (and look at our supposed 3 point snipers in KCP/Wes/even 40% RS AC, they all shot under 30%. In fact Dennis inexplicably shot better from 3 than our 3 point snipers). But we also didn't generate good looks b/c of our aforementioned spacing issues with traditional bigs.
Lue made quicker adjustment. Vogel literally trotted out a small ball lineup for the first time in the 2nd half of Game 6. |
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Though short lived, that LBJ at center with all guards lineup we used in the 2nd half in Game 6 was crazy. Wish we had tried something different like that. That's why the Clips advanced. Instead of trotting out Zub/Boogie to matchup with Gobert, they spread him out with Morris/Batum.
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| i get the vibe Vogs wasn't allowed to do his thing much this year. if given the choice, he'd have Dennis off the bench, wouldn't have signed Trez with the mid level and definitely wouldn't have promised jack to AD2. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | How much did Ballmer pay Jerry to get him to come over? Ballmer must have made Jerry an offer he couldn't refuse. Very smart move by Ballmer and it seems to be paying off nicely. Clippers and Lakers seem to be moving in opposite directions ever since Ballmer took over. If it weren't for Lebron, Lakers still might have been playing for lottery picks right now. |
Interesting take. Lakers won a chip on Ballmers watch. Doesn't seem so opposite. Side: Jerry (right now) is overrated like crazy. |
Just because the Lakers won a ring doesn't mean their management have been making the right moves. They've got Lebron for free which led to AD coming here. Those two players when fully healthy got them their ring. So all they've really done is sign a bunch of role players. With Lebron and AD, they could have won with many different role players.
The Clippers have advanced further in the playoffs than the Lakers did this season so that's opposite directions right there. Clippers without Kawhi still made WCF. Lakers without Lebron almost got swept. Our FO sure did a heck of job with our role players. |
This is some interesting stuff.
The Clippers got Kawhi for free which led to PG coming here. Is that how it works? So the only way you judge a FO is to see how the team plays without their stars? That don't make sense to me.
Also you said ever since Ballmer took over the teams have gone opposite directions. The Lakers won a chip. So that's false. |
Clippers without Kawhi played much better than Lakers without Lebron so Clippers have done a better job signing their role players. Clippers advanced further and Lakers regressed so they moved in opposite directions this year. |
Clippers should play better without Kawhi than the Lakers without LeBron because Lebron is a much more impactful player than Kawhi.
As for the teams moving in opposite directions . . . the difference is health. Ceteris paribus, Lakers >>>> Clippers. |
Problematic argument for you if you are comparing these FOs regarding moving in the right direction b/c:
A) Lakers got a ring last year where Clippers blew it in the second round. If you want to say that they corrected the roster mistakes this year as a sign competence, I think that has some traction - Adding Rondo, Ibaka, Batum and Kennard while ditching Lou Williams and Doc Rivers were all stabilizing moves so they get credit for that.
B) Lakers got beat this year in first round due mostly to injury of the 2 stars. Had Clips had equivalent injuries to both KL and PG, it is safe to say that the Mavericks/Utah series playoff result would have been the same as last year for the Clippers with an early exit. Can't give Clippers F/O credit for avoiding major injuries until the WCF this year as a sign of competence.
C) Lastly, the "what if" game... Jerry West/Balmer probably did some things that have helped the Clippers be better, ok so? Every owner and F/O is trying to to the same with varying results based on a million other variables. I'll use the same thing you said about Lakers FO contributing to a ring and the LBJ/AD with role player thing as a concept in statistics - "correlation does not imply causation". Just because the Clippers F/O corrected roster errors, had few injuries to KL and PG, were able to pickup decent role players and got a competent coach, doesn't necessarily mean they are headed in the right direction nor that the Lakers are not.
I just think it is an exercise in futility to compare one franchise to another in a vacuum. If you want to criticize the Lakers on what they have and haven't done, then do that. Lakers 17 championships, Clippers 0 |
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What makes a good coach? Is it the X&os? I mean I consider Phil Jax a great coach and his X&o acumen came from Tex. Phil’s ability to manage players’ egos is imho what made him great.
Vogs seemed to have lost Marc, Schro, Trez and Drummond at different periods throughout the regular season and definitely into the playoffs. Those guys were vital since Bron & AD were in street clothes for a majority of that time.
As for Lue, dude just happened to be the first and only to pull out of a 1-3 Finals deficit to win it all, and then has followed it up by being the first team to ever pull out of 0-2 deficits in consecutive series, winning each via backside sweeps. So forget tonight, I guess the Suns-clips series really doesn’t start till Thursday with the clips facing an 0-2 deficit again.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | What makes a good coach? Is it the X&os? I mean I consider Phil Jax a great coach and his X&o acumen came from Tex. Phil’s ability to manage players’ egos is imho what made him great.
Vogs seemed to have lost Marc, Schro, Trez and Drummond at different periods throughout the regular season and definitely into the playoffs. Those guys were vital since Bron & AD were in street clothes for a majority of that time.
As for Lue, dude just happened to be the first and only to pull out of a 1-3 Finals deficit to win it all, and then has followed it up by being the first team to ever pull out of 0-2 deficits in consecutive series, winning each via backside sweeps. So forget tonight, I guess the Suns-clips series really doesn’t start till Thursday with the clips facing an 0-2 deficit again.
So yeah, coaching does matter especially when you consider more than just X&os and managing key injuries. |
Interesting question/point - I never thought Phil was necessarily a great coach as much as the "manager/motivator" thing you mentioned. Seemed to me that "coaching" was more on the staff and Tex Winters' system + the fact that he always had really good players.
My take as someone who is just an observer/fan of the game is that it is a combination of things that produce coaching "success". I guess I would rank in this order:
1) Does the coach know the game? (former guards seem to have a leg up on this)
2) Does the coach have the stability and self awareness to be both a player motivator and leader? (Can't deny that coaches like Lue, McMillian and Pop have something that guys D'Antoni, SVG and Rivers really don't)
3) Does the coach have a vision/system that is playoff compatible? (coach has to understand balance of offense vs defense to manage the game flow)
4) Can/will the Front Office/Owner obtain the players for the system? (meaning can the coach sell the vision to management)
5) Will the Front Office/Owner allow the coach to implement a vision (meaning is this coach a good match for this franchise)
6) Does the coach utilize the veterans on the team properly? (i.e. setup a system on the court where the player hold each other accountable)
7) Are there other factors which override/ruin the above? (major player injuries, pre existing contract issues, short term vs long term cap flexibility, player attitude/chemistry, media hype, etc)
Considering the above, I do think Vogel is a good coach for the Lakers although this past year may have not been their best effort collectively for various reasons...
(I also agree that Lue is FAR from done in this series even without KL - the fact that he is a good coach and has guys like PG and Rondo to implement, anything can happen) |
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