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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:40 am    Post subject:

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Watching the Clippers just do what they do; stay calm and use their shooters to hit shots. They don't need big named future hall of famers. They don't use injuries as excuses. They just use their shooters to do what shooters do. I hate the Clippers but damn, do I respect them. Lakers could learn a few things from them.


They are a good steady team but at the end of the day they still have not accomplished anything. Nothing to learn from them.


They didn't accomplish anything Yet. They are getting better each season and we are going the other way. with WB contract, we are screwed for long time.


Base on what?... Kawhi can't seem to stay healthy and PG is only getting older... Lakers on the other hand have AD for a while... Not to mention a ton of money clearing in a couple years. We can resign Lebron to a cheaper contract and possibly bring in another young Stud who ever is available at the time.


We can’t sign Lebron to a cheaper contract. Did you learn nothing from Kobe? Those guys put so much effort into getting their bodies ready for a season that they won’t do so for cheaper.


Lebron has sacrificed money before if he knew they can bring in another guy to help. He did it with Miami and did it with the Cavs. Also you have to factor in his age, he knows this and he’s already a billionaire. He’ll be almost 39. Reason he signed an extension with no opt out clause. Its probably his last big pay day.
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Aight man, Bledsoe got one good game, WB got one bad game and u declare battle of the 3rd wheel over lol, it’s a long season, I’d take third wheel WB over Bledsoe anyday especially playoff time
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:04 pm    Post subject:

Does the Clippers' 2022 #1 belong to OKC outright, or is it a pick swap? Is it protected?

That PG13 deal could end up being for OKC like the Herschel Walker trade was for Dallas.
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Does the Clippers' 2022 #1 belong to OKC outright, or is it a pick swap? Is it protected?

That PG13 deal could end up being for OKC like the Herschel Walker trade was for Dallas.


Unprotected pick to the Thunder in the upcoming draft.

Then a swap, no protection.

Another UNPROTECTED pick the following year.

And then a convoluted 4 way swap with Brooklyn, OKC and HOU.

edit: forgot one! clippers then owe another unprotected pick to OKC in 2026.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Lakers for reference owe an unprotected pick in the upcoming draft (as far as we're concerned its unprotected)

Swap the following year

And then NO has the option to take our 2024 or 2025 1st round pick, unprotected. Im not sure when they have to decide which one they want.
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Does the Clippers' 2022 #1 belong to OKC outright, or is it a pick swap? Is it protected?

That PG13 deal could end up being for OKC like the Herschel Walker trade was for Dallas.


Unprotected pick to the Thunder in the upcoming draft.

Then a swap, no protection.

Another UNPROTECTED pick the following year.

And then a convoluted 4 way swap with Brooklyn, OKC and HOU.


Looking like OKC will have two high lottery picks.
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Lakers for reference owe an unprotected pick in the upcoming draft (as far as we're concerned its unprotected)

Swap the following year

And then NO has the option to take our 2024 or 2025 1st round pick, unprotected. Im not sure when they have to decide which one they want.


The Lord willing, the picks we convey won't be in the lottery.
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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:21 am    Post subject:

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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:38 am    Post subject:

They still have Jerry as an advisor. What happened to the Lakers this year? If only the Lakers could win like this with their best player out, then Lebron could come back prior to the playoffs and run circles around opponents in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:26 am    Post subject:

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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


People continue to have a misconception of who/what Pelinka is, and how he operates. Pelinka is not like Kupchak, or West. Those two make roster moves by analysis, and conferring with the FO, and coach(s). Pelinka...at least for now...is PURELY an execution man. Meaning, he simply locates the target talent, and executes moves to attain said target(s). But, he's not making roster decisions. Nor, is Vogel, or anyone in the FO. LeBron is making those decisions. Has been since he signed. Will continue to do so, until he retires. It is, what it is.
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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


People continue to have a misconception of who/what Pelinka is, and how he operates. Pelinka is not like Kupchak, or West. Those two make roster moves by analysis, and conferring with the FO, and coach(s). Pelinka...at least for now...is PURELY an execution man. Meaning, he simply locates the target talent, and executes moves to attain said target(s). But, he's not making roster decisions. Nor, is Vogel, or anyone in the FO. LeBron is making those decisions. Has been since he signed. Will continue to do so, until he retires. It is, what it is.


Nailed it.

In other news, talk about delusional

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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


It’s not just that. The Clippers and Lakers are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of investment in front office depth and talent. The Clippers have the deepest staff in the league including multiple people who could be to executives on teams. If memory serves, one of their guys was up for a GM position and Ballmer bought out the competition (huge raise). The Lakers team is essentially Pelinka, Rambis and Jesse.
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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.
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Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.


That is a huge difference. I said a decade or more ago that the Lakers would never be the Lakers again once Doc was gone. He hated paying Jerry West but he did. And Mitch was mentored for years by West. Once Dr. Buss chose Jim and Jeanie things went downhill. Jim was a disaster and Jeanie treats the organization as a best friends club. LA will always be an attraction but players have already turned the Lakers down. And some have sought the Clippers since they are also LA. The Lakers going cheap isn’t a secret from the rest of the league and the smart agents will take advantage of it.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
ksmgf wrote:
Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.


That is a huge difference. I said a decade or more ago that the Lakers would never be the Lakers again once Doc was gone. He hated paying Jerry West but he did. And Mitch was mentored for years by West. Once Dr. Buss chose Jim and Jeanie things went downhill. Jim was a disaster and Jeanie treats the organization as a best friends club. LA will always be an attraction but players have already turned the Lakers down. And some have sought the Clippers since they are also LA. The Lakers going cheap isn’t a secret from the rest of the league and the smart agents will take advantage of it.


Yawn.

1 - Dr. Buss ran West out, 1st by bringing in Jimmy in 1998 as "apprentice GM" without informing West, and 2nd by reneging on West's bonus in 2000.

2 - Jeanie has made the Lakers one of the most profitable teams in the league and it's directly attributable to her run as President of The Forum and her dad had the confidence to name her (not Jimmy, Johnny or Janie) as alternate governor in 1995.

3 - The Clippers as a destination? Kudos to them for outmanuevering the Lakers on the Kawhi front. Everyone else there are guys the Lakers passed on, including the coach and the special consultant. Who have they gotten on the buyout market? Who has taken a minimum salary instead of a bigger deal to join them?

4 - In the Pelinka era, the Lakers have won a championship and have achieved the stated goal of 3 max players (yes, the jury is out on their effectiveness). In the Ballmer era, the Clippers have gotten to the WCF, despite starting with a team full of All-Stars and limitless resources.

5 - Lebron is calling the shots for the Lakers. . . and Kawhi isn't doing the same for the Clippers? Who made the Clippers mortgage the future for PG13 (Doc Rivers certainly didn't want him)? Who made the Clippers sign (perennially injured) Serge Ibaka? Who ran Doc, Trezz & Rondo off the team?

I get the Jeanie hate and I get the Rob hate. You just don't like them or the way they operate. But you can only hate the results if you hate the Lakers and hate winning.
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Dr. Laker wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
ksmgf wrote:
Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.


That is a huge difference. I said a decade or more ago that the Lakers would never be the Lakers again once Doc was gone. He hated paying Jerry West but he did. And Mitch was mentored for years by West. Once Dr. Buss chose Jim and Jeanie things went downhill. Jim was a disaster and Jeanie treats the organization as a best friends club. LA will always be an attraction but players have already turned the Lakers down. And some have sought the Clippers since they are also LA. The Lakers going cheap isn’t a secret from the rest of the league and the smart agents will take advantage of it.


Yawn.

1 - Dr. Buss ran West out, 1st by bringing in Jimmy in 1998 as "apprentice GM" without informing West, and 2nd by reneging on West's bonus in 2000.

2 - Jeanie has made the Lakers one of the most profitable teams in the league and it's directly attributable to her run as President of The Forum and her dad had the confidence to name her (not Jimmy, Johnny or Janie) as alternate governor in 1995.

3 - The Clippers as a destination? Kudos to them for outmanuevering the Lakers on the Kawhi front. Everyone else there are guys the Lakers passed on, including the coach and the special consultant. Who have they gotten on the buyout market? Who has taken a minimum salary instead of a bigger deal to join them?

4 - In the Pelinka era, the Lakers have won a championship and have achieved the stated goal of 3 max players (yes, the jury is out on their effectiveness). In the Ballmer era, the Clippers have gotten to the WCF, despite starting with a team full of All-Stars and limitless resources.

5 - Lebron is calling the shots for the Lakers. . . and Kawhi isn't doing the same for the Clippers? Who made the Clippers mortgage the future for PG13 (Doc Rivers certainly didn't want him)? Who made the Clippers sign (perennially injured) Serge Ibaka? Who ran Doc, Trezz & Rondo off the team?

I get the Jeanie hate and I get the Rob hate. You just don't like them or the way they operate. But you can only hate the results if you hate the Lakers and hate winning.

in regards to Kawai. If we buy houses for his cousin's cousin on the DL would he be here?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:22 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
ksmgf wrote:
Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.


That is a huge difference. I said a decade or more ago that the Lakers would never be the Lakers again once Doc was gone. He hated paying Jerry West but he did. And Mitch was mentored for years by West. Once Dr. Buss chose Jim and Jeanie things went downhill. Jim was a disaster and Jeanie treats the organization as a best friends club. LA will always be an attraction but players have already turned the Lakers down. And some have sought the Clippers since they are also LA. The Lakers going cheap isn’t a secret from the rest of the league and the smart agents will take advantage of it.


Yawn.

1 - Dr. Buss ran West out, 1st by bringing in Jimmy in 1998 as "apprentice GM" without informing West, and 2nd by reneging on West's bonus in 2000.

2 - Jeanie has made the Lakers one of the most profitable teams in the league and it's directly attributable to her run as President of The Forum and her dad had the confidence to name her (not Jimmy, Johnny or Janie) as alternate governor in 1995.

3 - The Clippers as a destination? Kudos to them for outmanuevering the Lakers on the Kawhi front. Everyone else there are guys the Lakers passed on, including the coach and the special consultant. Who have they gotten on the buyout market? Who has taken a minimum salary instead of a bigger deal to join them?

4 - In the Pelinka era, the Lakers have won a championship and have achieved the stated goal of 3 max players (yes, the jury is out on their effectiveness). In the Ballmer era, the Clippers have gotten to the WCF, despite starting with a team full of All-Stars and limitless resources.

5 - Lebron is calling the shots for the Lakers. . . and Kawhi isn't doing the same for the Clippers? Who made the Clippers mortgage the future for PG13 (Doc Rivers certainly didn't want him)? Who made the Clippers sign (perennially injured) Serge Ibaka? Who ran Doc, Trezz & Rondo off the team?

I get the Jeanie hate and I get the Rob hate. You just don't like them or the way they operate. But you can only hate the results if you hate the Lakers and hate winning.


When lakers win again he will disappear as usual lol

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venturalakersfan wrote:
Outspoken wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
ksmgf wrote:
Here comes the Clippers. I knew they were going to beat the Tpups...they quietly have won 7 straight games.


There’s a lot to be said about continuity, the Clippers play as a team and know what their teammates can do. They are capitalizing off of last season. Frank is years ahead of Pelinka when it comes to roster construction.


Frank was also mentored. He was put in the best position to succeed, where as Rob wasn't put in the best position to succeed. Jeanie threw him in a situation where he had no experience or guidance. She just knew that Kobe wanted him. She scoffed at the idea of Jerry West coming and possibly mentoring him (because she is still in her feelings about him not approving her and Phil's relationship, but that's another story). I put a lot of the onus on Jeanie Buss.


That is a huge difference. I said a decade or more ago that the Lakers would never be the Lakers again once Doc was gone. He hated paying Jerry West but he did. And Mitch was mentored for years by West. Once Dr. Buss chose Jim and Jeanie things went downhill. Jim was a disaster and Jeanie treats the organization as a best friends club. LA will always be an attraction but players have already turned the Lakers down. And some have sought the Clippers since they are also LA. The Lakers going cheap isn’t a secret from the rest of the league and the smart agents will take advantage of it.


Yawn.

1 - Dr. Buss ran West out, 1st by bringing in Jimmy in 1998 as "apprentice GM" without informing West, and 2nd by reneging on West's bonus in 2000.

2 - Jeanie has made the Lakers one of the most profitable teams in the league and it's directly attributable to her run as President of The Forum and her dad had the confidence to name her (not Jimmy, Johnny or Janie) as alternate governor in 1995.

3 - The Clippers as a destination? Kudos to them for outmanuevering the Lakers on the Kawhi front. Everyone else there are guys the Lakers passed on, including the coach and the special consultant. Who have they gotten on the buyout market? Who has taken a minimum salary instead of a bigger deal to join them?

4 - In the Pelinka era, the Lakers have won a championship and have achieved the stated goal of 3 max players (yes, the jury is out on their effectiveness). In the Ballmer era, the Clippers have gotten to the WCF, despite starting with a team full of All-Stars and limitless resources.

5 - Lebron is calling the shots for the Lakers. . . and Kawhi isn't doing the same for the Clippers? Who made the Clippers mortgage the future for PG13 (Doc Rivers certainly didn't want him)? Who made the Clippers sign (perennially injured) Serge Ibaka? Who ran Doc, Trezz & Rondo off the team?

I get the Jeanie hate and I get the Rob hate. You just don't like them or the way they operate. But you can only hate the results if you hate the Lakers and hate winning.


When lakers win again he will disappear as usual lol

Trolls gonna troll


It’s a thread about discussing the Lakers vs Clippers, of course that will be what we are discussing. Understanding thread titles is still a problem Jim?
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Paul George on ‘Crypto.com Arena’: “I grew up with … Staples Center being the place to play & the place to be. It will definitely be weird. It’s the same location, but it‘s kind of stripping the history here… Good thing we won’t be here too long.”


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Paul George on ‘Crypto.com Arena’: “I grew up with … Staples Center being the place to play & the place to be. It will definitely be weird. It’s the same location, but it‘s kind of stripping the history here… Good thing we won’t be here too long.”


Does this guy even know what he’s saying half the time


Kind of like how they strip the history of Laker banners and retired jerseys by covering them all during Clipper games because it's embarrassing having zero accomplishments as a franchise?

Shaq said it well...
https://streamable.com/7i3gk

PG acts like he's legitimate NBA royalty every time he opens his mouth even though he's never won a thing and has failed miserably when it counts most. Please, GTFO though, the sooner the better...
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Paul George on ‘Crypto.com Arena’: “I grew up with … Staples Center being the place to play & the place to be. It will definitely be weird. It’s the same location, but it‘s kind of stripping the history here… Good thing we won’t be here too long.”


Does this guy even know what he’s saying half the time


Maybe PG doesn't realize the Staples name on the arena was a paid advertisement and not something historical.
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