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This is why I support the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'd flip the switch myself on this MF'er, without an ounce of guilt.


i wouldn't bat an eye and there'd might even be a sense of satisfaction to it.

Killing him would be giving him the easy way out. Send him to the most hostile prison in the country and put him in the general population. He would be brutalized. I don't know how long he'd last but the period he did would be very painful. Give him the dirtiest job in the facility. I would absolutely love this THIS
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This is why I support the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'd flip the switch myself on this MF'er, without an ounce of guilt.


i wouldn't bat an eye and there'd might even be a sense of satisfaction to it.

Damn.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject:

A reminder that the American police force regardless of locality is almost all bad apples.
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This is why I support the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'd flip the switch myself on this MF'er, without an ounce of guilt.


i wouldn't bat an eye and there'd might even be a sense of satisfaction to it.

Killing him would be giving him the easy way out. Send him to the most hostile prison in the country and put him in the general population. He would be brutalized. I don't know how long he'd last but the period he did would be very painful. Give him the dirtiest job in the facility. I would absolutely love this THIS


That would never happen. And that's the point. As I said before, he would sit in segregation away from the rest of the prison population. Likely, the only other prisoners he might come in contact with would be likeminded people who would simply high-five him.
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This is why I support the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'd flip the switch myself on this MF'er, without an ounce of guilt.


i wouldn't bat an eye and there'd might even be a sense of satisfaction to it.

Damn.


I said "might" . . .
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This is why I support the death penalty in certain circumstances. I'd flip the switch myself on this MF'er, without an ounce of guilt.


i wouldn't bat an eye and there'd might even be a sense of satisfaction to it.

Killing him would be giving him the easy way out. Send him to the most hostile prison in the country and put him in the general population. He would be brutalized. I don't know how long he'd last but the period he did would be very painful. Give him the dirtiest job in the facility. I would absolutely love this THIS


That would never happen. And that's the point. As I said before, he would sit in segregation away from the rest of the prison population. Likely, the only other prisoners he might come in contact with would be likeminded people who would simply high-five him.


I realize that to be true. I'm wishing upon a star. As is the bold green.
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Imagine being one of the bystanders, powerless to help without getting killed yourself, as the cops leisurely kill this guy in broad daylight


This is what made it even more horrific in some ways, just how casual and prolonged this was. In full view of a crowd of people recording them and the cops just kept at it for several minutes. Calmly and slowly watching the guy die while kneeling on him. No hurry, no chaos just methodically snuffing out a life like it was no big deal.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject:

Revealing article by a Republican writer.

After George Floyd Murder, the N.J. Republican Party Will Continue to Condone Trump Racism
By Alan Steinberg | May 27, 2020, 11:18 am | in Columnist


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On December 4, 2019, Donald Trump’s Roy Cohn, Attorney General William Barr threatened African-Americans who would protest racist police brutality, as follows: “… if communities don’t give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the police protection they need.”

With that statement, the Trump administration gave a license to white racist police officers to engage in unrestrained acts of violence against African-Americans. Yesterday in Minneapolis, Minnesota, we saw the results.


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I have searched for any comment whatsoever on the part of Donald Trump regarding the murder of George Floyd. I have found no such statement in either his infamous Tweets or the news coverage.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject:

NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:01 pm    Post subject:

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I was impressed with the interview that the mayor gave yesterday. Good to see that he acted swiftly and didn’t hide behind the police union. I doubt that we would see the same reaction if it had happened in LA.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject:

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Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:14 pm    Post subject:

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NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
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Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


Police officers deserve workplace protections just like any other worker. The problem is that they have been empowered with a tradition of gang-like protectionism that goes WAY beyond that, even to the point that a whistler blower within the union who raises a reasonable complaint against a fellow member is likely to be ostracized or worse.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:24 pm    Post subject:

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NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


Police officers deserve workplace protections just like any other worker. The problem is that they have been empowered with a tradition of gang-like protectionism that goes WAY beyond that, even to the point that a whistler blower within the union who raises a reasonable complaint against a fellow member is likely to be ostracized or worse.

Agreed. Don't disband police unions; disband police forces all together.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:48 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


Police officers deserve workplace protections just like any other worker. The problem is that they have been empowered with a tradition of gang-like protectionism that goes WAY beyond that, even to the point that a whistler blower within the union who raises a reasonable complaint against a fellow member is likely to be ostracized or worse.

Agreed. Don't disband police unions; disband police forces all together.


OK. When someone breaks into your home, robs a bank, kills someone, who ya gonna call, GHOST BUSTERS???
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:49 pm    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


That's a common management complaint against all unions (precisely because management can't fire and discipline willy nilly), but the reality here is that there can be laws made about what constitutes misconduct that supersede that protection.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 2:59 pm    Post subject:

If the county attorney will not press charges can anybody else do it?
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:06 pm    Post subject:

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DaMuleRules wrote:
NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


That's a common management complaint against all unions (precisely because management can't fire and discipline willy nilly), but the reality here is that there can be laws made about what constitutes misconduct that supersede that protection.


In my union it's not really an issue. We have workplace place protections, but if someone violates any safety, legal or abuse issues, they are gone and the union supports appropriate punitive measures.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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If the county attorney will not press charges can anybody else do it?


I'm fairly certain the Feds can pursue it.
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jodeke wrote:
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DaMuleRules wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


Police officers deserve workplace protections just like any other worker. The problem is that they have been empowered with a tradition of gang-like protectionism that goes WAY beyond that, even to the point that a whistler blower within the union who raises a reasonable complaint against a fellow member is likely to be ostracized or worse.

Agreed. Don't disband police unions; disband police forces all together.


OK. When someone breaks into your home, robs a bank, kills someone, who ya gonna call, GHOST BUSTERS???

I'll call on you and you call on me. We'll all be part of a rotating constabulary.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING ...
No Signs of Him Resisting; Mayor Calls for Charges


Police unions need to be banned. I don't know how that would be possible, but as long as they're around, no substantial steps can be taken to hold their members accountable.

I think I've mentioned it before on these forums, but I have several friends in LE, and I've heard on more than one occasion from the ones who are supervisors that it's nearly impossible to effectively discipline, let alone terminate problem individuals.


That's a common management complaint against all unions (precisely because management can't fire and discipline willy nilly), but the reality here is that there can be laws made about what constitutes misconduct that supersede that protection.


e.g. drinking on the job, absenteeism, disobedience etc.

Most common offense, abuse of power, is difficult to defeat because the Blue Shield is in place. If you turn snitch, even in the worst cases, you're labeled and most likely hurt your chances of advancement or in the heat of a fire fight not be sure someone will watch your back.

Cases caught on camera are becoming more difficult to defend. Body cams usage isn't being properly enforced. Cell phone video can make a difference.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject:

We keep hearing in cases like this that there are bad apples everywhere, but here we have 4 out of 4. What are the odds?
I always felt that these "bad apples" tend to be from the same departments.
The police in Minnesota has a long history of "bad apples" so probably the department is full of them.

I am sure that the new chief is trying to clean the mess, but it's very difficult.
The Mesa PD chief had to resign after he tried to reform the department after they killed Daniel Shaver. They act like a criminal organization
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rokobe81 wrote:
We keep hearing in cases like this that there are bad apples everywhere, but here we have 4 out of 4. What are the odds?
I always felt that these "bad apples" tend to be from the same departments.
The police in Minnesota has a long history of "bad apples" so probably the department is full of them.

I am sure that the new chief is trying to clean the mess, but it's very difficult.
The Mesa PD chief had to resign after he tried to reform the department after they killed Daniel Shaver. They act like a criminal organization

The institution itself is rotten, hence it recruits bad apples and turns the few good apples sour.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 4:22 pm    Post subject:

If you are in that much "fear" that you feel the need to kill a guy in handcuffs because he is a "threat" than obviously you are not qualified for the job. Or society in general, (bleep) that.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 5:40 pm    Post subject:

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Agreed. Don't disband police unions; disband police forces all together.


OK. When someone breaks into your home, robs a bank, kills someone, who ya gonna call, GHOST BUSTERS???

I'll call on you and you call on me. We'll all be part of a rotating constabulary.


Ask Ahmed Aubrey how that works out.

Odd that someone who calls people out for asking others to be decent and follow the rules in public as being "deranged" is an advocate for vigilantism . . . that's an irony that's astounding in it's magnitude.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2020 5:44 pm    Post subject:

John Boyega just made a lifelong fan out of me for his comments on this.
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