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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Why do transgendered athletes whose previous gender gives them an unfair advantage feel so entitled to demand they should be allowed to compete
It doesn't feel right but at least I keep trying to comprehend it |
1) It has been medically proven that said "unfair" advantage disappears after a year of HRT, and 2) they are human beings who should not be denied rights because of discrimination like every human being. |
Nothing of the sort has been medically proven. Once a male goes through puberty, he/she can take all of the testosterone blockers or pump estrogen directly into them and they will still maintain significant unfair advantages over a biological female. There is a reason that if in 500 years someone digs up the unmarked grave of Caitlyn Jenner, she will be identified as a male that lived 500 years ago. It is also the reason that this only goes in one direction when someone transitions and has success. |
Who (bleep) cared if there is a perceived advantage for transgender athletes. It hasn’t proven to a a huge impact. Biological women are still at the top of their sports despite the participation of some transgender participants. This idea that male athletes who transition and participate in woman’s sports have made that incredibly difficult choice (the social stigma and discrimination that comes with it, as is proven in this thread) simply to gain advantage is completely ignorant and illogical. And it is pure and simple discrimination, no matter how much people want to pretend it’s a matter of “fairness”. |
"You people"? You are correct that it has not had a large impact on you while you set on your couch licking your Cheetos fingers virtue signaling with heavy online labor.....but I would guess it has had a major impact on the female that trained for years and sacrificed greatly chasing glory only to be denied by someone that has a level of physical advantage multiple times the advantage of traditional PED's. You throw around the word discrimination like it has to be avoided....it doesn't as we discriminate against every single one of us every single day. I am over 40 years old....the US military will not allow me to enlist and the Senior PGA tour will not allow me to attempt to qualify. We accept all kinds of discrimination in society to protect competition and fairness for the overwhelming majority.....and we must protect female sports from the advantages held by biological males. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Where did the dumb blond stereotype come from? Only 2 percent of people are born blond. |
I personally am a brunette/dark hair preference guy myself, but for whatever reason blonde hair has always been associated with beauty in Europe and later in the United States. I think that caused some resentment, and was used as a weapon to attack their advantageous perception. Today most females do not care about or view blonde hair as superior because society no longer views it as a preference......but my understanding is that during the time previous to WWI a female would choose to have blonde hair over straight teeth, a beautiful body, etc. In 2022, a female would probably trade no hair for a nice round butt! It is no different when a dad bod bro sees a guy on the beach with a muscular physique and will mumble something about steroids or a small penis. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Where did the dumb blond stereotype come from? Only 2 percent of people are born blond. |
For me personally, I didn’t recognize this trope until Christina Applebate portrayed Kelly Bundy in later seasons of Married with Children. In the shows earlier stage, she wasn’t “dumb”. They altered her character by the 3rd season.
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There is widespread and good faith debate, disagreement, and data regarding how to include the transgender athlete, ranging from proper testosterone levels, length of required period of treatment, and residual musculoskeletal advantages inherent in pubescent testosterone. Studies have been incomplete and in many ways inconclusive, with much left to be learned. That said, the amount of vitriol and aggression comping from outside of the athletic community tends to correlate fairly closely to the notion that a lot of people find transgender people to be scary, gross, creepy, or evil. It mirrors the bathroom concern where it’s not so much fundamental fairness or inclusion (and where the facts are secondary and cherry picked or made up) that’s the goal, but the venting of revulsion and the bullying of the confusing and frightening but terribly vulnerable other.
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| adkindo wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Why do transgendered athletes whose previous gender gives them an unfair advantage feel so entitled to demand they should be allowed to compete
It doesn't feel right but at least I keep trying to comprehend it |
1) It has been medically proven that said "unfair" advantage disappears after a year of HRT, and 2) they are human beings who should not be denied rights because of discrimination like every human being. |
Nothing of the sort has been medically proven. Once a male goes through puberty, he/she can take all of the testosterone blockers or pump estrogen directly into them and they will still maintain significant unfair advantages over a biological female. There is a reason that if in 500 years someone digs up the unmarked grave of Caitlyn Jenner, she will be identified as a male that lived 500 years ago. It is also the reason that this only goes in one direction when someone transitions and has success. |
Who (bleep) cared if there is a perceived advantage for transgender athletes. It hasn’t proven to a a huge impact. Biological women are still at the top of their sports despite the participation of some transgender participants. This idea that male athletes who transition and participate in woman’s sports have made that incredibly difficult choice (the social stigma and discrimination that comes with it, as is proven in this thread) simply to gain advantage is completely ignorant and illogical. And it is pure and simple discrimination, no matter how much people want to pretend it’s a matter of “fairness”. |
"You people"? You are correct that it has not had a large impact on you while you set on your couch licking your Cheetos fingers virtue signaling with heavy online labor.....but I would guess it has had a major impact on the female that trained for years and sacrificed greatly chasing glory only to be denied by someone that has a level of physical advantage multiple times the advantage of traditional PED's. You throw around the word discrimination like it has to be avoided....it doesn't as we discriminate against every single one of us every single day. I am over 40 years old....the US military will not allow me to enlist and the Senior PGA tour will not allow me to attempt to qualify. We accept all kinds of discrimination in society to protect competition and fairness for the overwhelming majority.....and we must protect female sports from the advantages held by biological males. |
Simply show them the UFC fight between a woman and transgender athlete and tell me there is no unfair advantage |
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High question
Could a transgendered males fight or flight response - Adrenaline power et al - cause more intense strength increases in the previously male vs the non transgendered female?
Can transgendered men dunk? 
FWIW, I mean no disrespect and it is difficult for me to try to see through the mind of a transgendered person but I am glad/happy they found relief from the pain and I applaud their bravery.
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| Quote: | The majority of transgender people have a negative experience when engaging in competitive sports and sport-related physical activity.
There is no direct and consistent research to suggest that transgender female individuals (and transgender male individuals) have an athletic advantage in sport and, therefore, the majority of competitive sport policies are discriminatory against this population.
There are several areas of future research required to significantly improve our knowledge of transgender people’s experiences in sport, inform the development of more inclusive sport policies, and, most importantly, enhance the lives of transgender people, both physically and psychosocially. |
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/
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| Omar Little wrote: | | There is widespread and good faith debate, disagreement, and data regarding how to include the transgender athlete, ranging from proper testosterone levels, length of required period of treatment, and residual musculoskeletal advantages inherent in pubescent testosterone. Studies have been incomplete and in many ways inconclusive, with much left to be learned. That said, the amount of vitriol and aggression comping from outside of the athletic community tends to correlate fairly closely to the notion that a lot of people find transgender people to be scary, gross, creepy, or evil. It mirrors the bathroom concern where it’s not so much fundamental fairness or inclusion (and where the facts are secondary and cherry picked or made up) that’s the goal, but the venting of revulsion and the bullying of the confusing and frightening but terribly vulnerable other. |
Saw a very good, little piece about this issue that pointed out the situation perfectly. The vast majority of people who claim that they are against transgender competition try to claim there are about fairness and purity in women's sports don't actually give a (bleep) about women's sports and remain silent on all of the other issues involving them. I'll try to dig it up again.
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Transphobia is like a very concentrated and more potent version of homophobia. Which is itself a version of xenophobia combined with sexual fears and taboo.
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My controversial opinion on the topic at-hand is that I think most ppl who complain about trans MTF in sports are bigots. That said, if I were a cisgendered woman and I lost to a trans MTF, I'd be very, very heated. Right or wrong? Honestly not sure on that one, but I know I'd probably have some gross thoughts I wouldn't want to say out loud, and would regret later.
Is there a solution? I'm sure they'll eventually figure out threshold levels of testosterone, etc etc. Although I wonder if there is any merit to simply having trans MTF competitions. Probably not enough athletes to sustain an entire competition, but it does seem our bimodal view of sports is outdated, that a third athlete (so to speak) has arisen, and I'm not sure how to account for that athlete in an even-handed manner that doesn't result in women's sports being dominated by a cadre of MTF athletes.
(If MTF is offensive, I apologize---it just made more sense to me to be specific, since I don't think FtM's even factor into this particular conversation.) |
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| Cutheon wrote: | My controversial opinion on the topic at-hand is that I think most ppl who complain about trans MTF in sports are bigots. That said, if I were a cisgendered woman and I lost to a trans MTF, I'd be very, very heated. Right or wrong? Honestly not sure on that one, but I know I'd probably have some gross thoughts I wouldn't want to say out loud, and would regret later.
Is there a solution? I'm sure they'll eventually figure out threshold levels of testosterone, etc etc. Although I wonder if there is any merit to simply having trans MTF competitions. Probably not enough athletes to sustain an entire competition, but it does seem our bimodal view of sports is outdated, that a third athlete (so to speak) has arisen, and I'm not sure how to account for that athlete in an even-handed manner that doesn't result in women's sports being dominated by a cadre of MTF athletes.
(If MTF is offensive, I apologize---it just made more sense to me to be specific, since I don't think FtM's even factor into this particular conversation.) |
The word you’re looking for is transwoman
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | My controversial opinion on the topic at-hand is that I think most ppl who complain about trans MTF in sports are bigots. That said, if I were a cisgendered woman and I lost to a trans MTF, I'd be very, very heated. Right or wrong? Honestly not sure on that one, but I know I'd probably have some gross thoughts I wouldn't want to say out loud, and would regret later.
Is there a solution? I'm sure they'll eventually figure out threshold levels of testosterone, etc etc. Although I wonder if there is any merit to simply having trans MTF competitions. Probably not enough athletes to sustain an entire competition, but it does seem our bimodal view of sports is outdated, that a third athlete (so to speak) has arisen, and I'm not sure how to account for that athlete in an even-handed manner that doesn't result in women's sports being dominated by a cadre of MTF athletes.
(If MTF is offensive, I apologize---it just made more sense to me to be specific, since I don't think FtM's even factor into this particular conversation.) |
The word you’re looking for is transwoman |
Thanks, I figured I was off the mark somehow.
What do you think about splitting up the competition and creating a third category? I.e., cismen, ciswomen, transwomen |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Cutheon wrote: | My controversial opinion on the topic at-hand is that I think most ppl who complain about trans MTF in sports are bigots. That said, if I were a cisgendered woman and I lost to a trans MTF, I'd be very, very heated. Right or wrong? Honestly not sure on that one, but I know I'd probably have some gross thoughts I wouldn't want to say out loud, and would regret later.
Is there a solution? I'm sure they'll eventually figure out threshold levels of testosterone, etc etc. Although I wonder if there is any merit to simply having trans MTF competitions. Probably not enough athletes to sustain an entire competition, but it does seem our bimodal view of sports is outdated, that a third athlete (so to speak) has arisen, and I'm not sure how to account for that athlete in an even-handed manner that doesn't result in women's sports being dominated by a cadre of MTF athletes.
(If MTF is offensive, I apologize---it just made more sense to me to be specific, since I don't think FtM's even factor into this particular conversation.) |
The word you’re looking for is transwoman |
Thanks, I figured I was off the mark somehow.
What do you think about splitting up the competition and creating a third category? I.e., cismen, ciswomen, transwomen |
The “separate but equal” theory hasn’t worked well.
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| Well, I would hardly equate the two, given there are biological differences between the sexes, but let's agree to disagree on this one. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Transphobia is like a very concentrated and more potent version of homophobia. Which is itself a version of xenophobia combined with sexual fears and taboo. |
To that end, it actually exists even within some in the gay and lesbian communities.
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| adkindo wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Why do transgendered athletes whose previous gender gives them an unfair advantage feel so entitled to demand they should be allowed to compete
It doesn't feel right but at least I keep trying to comprehend it |
1) It has been medically proven that said "unfair" advantage disappears after a year of HRT, and 2) they are human beings who should not be denied rights because of discrimination like every human being. |
Nothing of the sort has been medically proven. Once a male goes through puberty, he/she can take all of the testosterone blockers or pump estrogen directly into them and they will still maintain significant unfair advantages over a biological female. There is a reason that if in 500 years someone digs up the unmarked grave of Caitlyn Jenner, she will be identified as a male that lived 500 years ago. It is also the reason that this only goes in one direction when someone transitions and has success. |
Who (bleep) cared if there is a perceived advantage for transgender athletes. It hasn’t proven to a a huge impact. Biological women are still at the top of their sports despite the participation of some transgender participants. This idea that male athletes who transition and participate in woman’s sports have made that incredibly difficult choice (the social stigma and discrimination that comes with it, as is proven in this thread) simply to gain advantage is completely ignorant and illogical. And it is pure and simple discrimination, no matter how much people want to pretend it’s a matter of “fairness”. |
"You people"? You are correct that it has not had a large impact on you while you set on your couch licking your Cheetos fingers virtue signaling with heavy online labor.....but I would guess it has had a major impact on the female that trained for years and sacrificed greatly chasing glory only to be denied by someone that has a level of physical advantage multiple times the advantage of traditional PED's. |
I love your adolescent attempts to insult me while trying to deflect from your ignorance, but the reality is, the people complaining about transgenders competing in sports is not other participants, but conservatives bigots such as yourself who have no actual stake in the game.
| Quote: | | You throw around the word discrimination like it has to be avoided.... |
I don't "throw around" anything, particularly when it comes to important issues like discrimination. Of course discrimination should be avoided.
| Quote: | | it doesn't as we discriminate against every single one of us every single day. I am over 40 years old....the US military will not allow me to enlist and the Senior PGA tour will not allow me to attempt to qualify. |
That failed analogy has nothing to do with the transgender issue. Not to mention that the military not accepting people OVER a certain age and the PGA not accepting people UNDER an age range are not equivalent are issues regarding age and not gender.
| Quote: | | We accept all kinds of discrimination in society to protect competition and fairness for the overwhelming majority.....and we must protect female sports from the advantages held by biological males. |
No, we accept standards of competition. If men were champing at the bit to transition to women so they could take advantage in order to dominate in a sport that they couldn't otherwise you'd have a point, but they aren't. People are transitioning to be their real selves. There's no influx of men saying "I can't make it as a male athlete, so I'm going to go transgender to game the system." You know why? Because making that move comes with far too much baggage to make it worth it.
More importantly, the instances of transgender women actually winning in women's sports are statistically insignificant. It's never been a problem to anyone except to those uncomfortable with the concept of people being transgender.
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I like black ants. I don't care much when I see a fat trail of them leading to some crumbs on my kitchen counter. I do routine bug treatments outside the house but I don't spray them when they come. I wait for them to do their thing. Two, 3 days tops, they're gone. Mostly happens in summer. Sometimes I watch them work while I eat.
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| has there been actual transwomen athlete who dethrone non-transgender women champs? |
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| governator wrote: | | has there been actual transwomen athlete who dethrone non-transgender women champs? |
I think its too soon. Eventually, the integration will become more of a norm, NOT the norm.
we wont be able to judge this for 10years.
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| C M B wrote: | | I like black ants. I don't care much when I see a fat trail of them leading to some crumbs on my kitchen counter. I do routine bug treatments outside the house but I don't spray them when they come. I wait for them to do their thing. Two, 3 days tops, they're gone. Mostly happens in summer. Sometimes I watch them work while I eat. |
respect. Great contribution to the thread. Personally, I do bug out when they are in my house, but I'm used to it now---they are part and parcel of a socal summer heat wave. |
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I'ma voice why? I don't know if any here are watching the series Bel-Air. The finale had Vivian (Cassandra Freeman) in a long-haired black natural wig. That ain't us. Our hair is short and coarse. If properly cared for it's beautiful.
Why in the hell is long hair, which is what Caucasians project to be beautiful and is false because they're mostly weaved, a thing being adopted and inserted by Hollyweird and the damned Blacks accepting it?
There was a time when Halle Berry's short hair style was the in thing. What in the hell happened? Why wasn't it perpetuated. We let it take a back seat and went with a conception. I'ma get on the James Brown bus, I'ma
SAY IT LOUD, I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD!!!
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| jodeke wrote: | I'ma voice why? I don't know if any here are watching the series Bel-Air. The finale had Vivian (Cassandra Freeman) in a long-haired black natural wig. That ain't us. Our hair is short and coarse. If properly cared for it's beautiful.
Why in the hell is long hair, which is what Caucasians project to be beautiful and is false because they're mostly weaved, a thing being adopted and inserted by Hollyweird and the damned Blacks accepting them?
There was a time when Halle Berry's short hair style was the in thing. What in the hell happened? It wasn't perpetuated. We let it take a back seat and went with a conception. I'ma get on the James Brown bus, I'ma
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| adkindo wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Why do transgendered athletes whose previous gender gives them an unfair advantage feel so entitled to demand they should be allowed to compete
It doesn't feel right but at least I keep trying to comprehend it |
1) It has been medically proven that said "unfair" advantage disappears after a year of HRT, and 2) they are human beings who should not be denied rights because of discrimination like every human being. |
Nothing of the sort has been medically proven. Once a male goes through puberty, he/she can take all of the testosterone blockers or pump estrogen directly into them and they will still maintain significant unfair advantages over a biological female. There is a reason that if in 500 years someone digs up the unmarked grave of Caitlyn Jenner, she will be identified as a male that lived 500 years ago. It is also the reason that this only goes in one direction when someone transitions and has success. |
Yes it has. Sorry.
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Louis CK won a Grammy tonight, which is gross, but does not disprove his "cancellation." Louis CK has absolutely been "cancelled" up to this point post-allegations.
He went from a ubiquitous pop culture figure - a potential perma-fixture SNL host - to a guy I haven't seen, thought of, or heard about until tonight. If people wanted Louis CK to crawl into a cave and die, sorry, he's a famous millionaire stand-up comic with a rabid fan base, he's able to afford to keep doing comedy for at least the next 20 years. That doesn't mean he wasn't cancelled.
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Louis CK is both incredibly hilarious and incredibly yuck. At least he didn’t actually assault people with his penis. Or (bleep) his step children.
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