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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:08 am    Post subject:

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^ what he said.


It’s ridiculous at this point that people are not grasping that... Yea let Schro walk, and trade Kuzma to try to replace Schro. Lol what!?

Worst case scenario should be signing and trading him if he dont want to stay.


How would you purpose that happens??? Schroder has to agree to a sign and trade. He 90% won't likely agree to a sign and trade because that restricts his free agency that he so badly wants. So any other bright ideas???


Seen it happen all the time... You can sign and trade him if he choose to go to a team that dont have the salary cap. Unless he just wants to go to a non contender and gets paid. And where are you hearing that he wants to be a free agent so bad?


No disrespect but where have you been? He's been saying he wants to test free agency every single time he was asked about the contract situation. He told the media that all the time. He badly wants free agency.


He said he wants to stay with the Lakers and test free agency. Don’t see that as being wanting to be a free agent so bad. His trying to see what he can get out there and maybe drive up a higher offer than the Lakers. There’s still a lot of factor in play. Not many contenders have the cap space. Second destination unless he just wants $$$ and play for lotto teams. If the offer not much higher than the Lakers then high chance he might stay with us. If Schro chooses money then feel free to walk. If you feel like someone will give him 5/$150m. If he wants money and play for a contender then most likely a sign and trade.


You see how that contradicts each other right? Either you want to be a Laker or you want to test free agency. I've never heard of a upcoming free agent use that phrase that Dennis used.


Well he can’t exactly say one thing or another. He loses some leverage if he says he just wants to be a Laker. which he did in the beginning and they just offered him $17m/per. As a free agent he’s doing whats best for him and to keep as much leverage as possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:18 am    Post subject:

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So my trading Kuzma for a replacement PG isn't out of this world huh? I wish some other people would understand that.


Well I hope they have a back up plan... But you thinking Schro getting 5/$150m is more out of this world. But I won’t just let Schro walk, unless he clearly just wants to leave.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:34 am    Post subject:

Schroder's looking to get paid. If a team offers him 5yr/$150M, he's gonna jump out of his shoes to sign that contract because this would be his first big contract. The dude isn't mega rich like all the other superstars yet so he wants the dough.

Good thing it's easy to find his replacement because we won last year with Green. I'm more worried about the more important Drummond. Serviceable bigs are harder to find.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:09 pm    Post subject:

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^ what he said.


It’s ridiculous at this point that people are not grasping that... Yea let Schro walk, and trade Kuzma to try to replace Schro. Lol what!?

Worst case scenario should be signing and trading him if he dont want to stay.


How would you purpose that happens??? Schroder has to agree to a sign and trade. He 90% won't likely agree to a sign and trade because that restricts his free agency that he so badly wants. So any other bright ideas???


Restricts his free-agency? How? He has 1 of 3 paths:
* he gets a rich offer from team with cap space. He leaves
* he doesn't get any offers, he comes back to the Lakers and signs for some deal north of $84 million
* he gets a capped team interested enough to give him an offer more than the Lakers want to pay him. This team is willing to part with assets that the Lakers are interested in, the two teams talk and agree to a S&T

It's a free market for both parties - and there's no restriction other than what the NBA cap/trade rules dictate?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:44 pm    Post subject:

Schroder can walk away for nothing and Lakers wouldn't miss a beat.

Since the all star break with basically no LBJ and AD

Schroder: 20 games, 33mpg, 16.3 ppg, 7.1 apg, 42% Fg, 36% 3FG, 104 ORTG, 107 DRTG, 50.6% TS%

THT: 19 games, 23mpg, 11.2 ppg, 3.5 apg, 44% FG, 22% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 106 DRTG 51.9% TS%

AC 18 games, 21 mpg, 6.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, 41% FG, 36% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 104 DRTG 50.8% TS%

Schroder brings exceptional speed but it hasn't translated into enough wins and production and he does not stand heads and shoulders above the pack. He wants to be paid like a 3rd star and he is not as good as he thinks he is.

The Lakers can clearly look in house for other options on offense if they lose DS for nothing. I'll take my chances on THT and AC making another leap next year. Lakershow can sign another PG like a McConnell or Neto or Patty Mills or other aforementioned guys to be the 3rd backup if necessary. Just because you lose speed doesn't mean you lose effectiveness. Last year's championship team didn't rely on speed in the PG slot.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:57 pm    Post subject:

The only team that can give him 5 years is the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:13 pm    Post subject:

ThePageDude wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
^ what he said.


It’s ridiculous at this point that people are not grasping that... Yea let Schro walk, and trade Kuzma to try to replace Schro. Lol what!?

Worst case scenario should be signing and trading him if he dont want to stay.


How would you purpose that happens??? Schroder has to agree to a sign and trade. He 90% won't likely agree to a sign and trade because that restricts his free agency that he so badly wants. So any other bright ideas???


Restricts his free-agency? How? He has 1 of 3 paths:
* he gets a rich offer from team with cap space. He leaves
* he doesn't get any offers, he comes back to the Lakers and signs for some deal north of $84 million
* he gets a capped team interested enough to give him an offer more than the Lakers want to pay him. This team is willing to part with assets that the Lakers are interested in, the two teams talk and agree to a S&T

It's a free market for both parties - and there's no restriction other than what the NBA cap/trade rules dictate?


How do you know the Lakers are even keeping that offer on the table? You're also forgetting that Dennis has to agree to a S&T. Teams just can't talk to each other and say okay Schroder going wherever we want him to go. Look at what happened to Bogdan Bogdanovic. Therefore it does restrict his freedom to talk to whatever teams he wants to talk too.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:24 pm    Post subject:

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I just don’t want the Lakers to overpay just like what they did for Luol Deng, Timothy Mozgov and Steve Nash. Remember?


Schroder is a borderline starting PG in the league, and he is in his prime. He's not an aging has-been (Nash and Deng) or a never was (Mozgov).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:52 pm    Post subject:

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How do you know the Lakers are even keeping that offer on the table? You're also forgetting that Dennis has to agree to a S&T. Teams just can't talk to each other and say okay Schroder going wherever we want him to go. Look at what happened to Bogdan Bogdanovic. Therefore it does restrict his freedom to talk to whatever teams he wants to talk too.


If you're saying that you think there is a possibility that DS doesn't get a better offer (quite possible) AND no team agrees to a S&T (quite possible) AND then the Lakers don't extend at least a 4/84 offer - then I think this is very, very unlikely. The Lakers have already come to terms with what they're willing & happy to offer him - it won't make any sense (barring injury/disability) to either nix that or lowball him and have a disgruntled player risking team chemistry - certainly not with Lebron/Klutch.

I don't see how Bogs supports your case. How was Bogs restricted? He got an S&T deal agreed upon, the NBA nixed it on a technicality. OK so the S&T didn't pay off. Then Atlanta gave him a rich free-agency offer that beat out Sac's extension offer. Ultimately Bogs got what he wanted - a higher offer than what Sac was willing to pay and he walked. Isn't this exactly what DS hopes happens?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:42 pm    Post subject:

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Schroder brings exceptional speed but it hasn't translated into enough wins and production and he does not stand heads and shoulders above the pack.


Of course he's also playing more often against starters than those other two.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:56 am    Post subject:

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Schroder can walk away for nothing and Lakers wouldn't miss a beat.

Since the all star break with basically no LBJ and AD

Schroder: 20 games, 33mpg, 16.3 ppg, 7.1 apg, 42% Fg, 36% 3FG, 104 ORTG, 107 DRTG, 50.6% TS%

THT: 19 games, 23mpg, 11.2 ppg, 3.5 apg, 44% FG, 22% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 106 DRTG 51.9% TS%

AC 18 games, 21 mpg, 6.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, 41% FG, 36% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 104 DRTG 50.8% TS%

Schroder brings exceptional speed but it hasn't translated into enough wins and production and he does not stand heads and shoulders above the pack. He wants to be paid like a 3rd star and he is not as good as he thinks he is.

The Lakers can clearly look in house for other options on offense if they lose DS for nothing. I'll take my chances on THT and AC making another leap next year. Lakershow can sign another PG like a McConnell or Neto or Patty Mills or other aforementioned guys to be the 3rd backup if necessary. Just because you lose speed doesn't mean you lose effectiveness. Last year's championship team didn't rely on speed in the PG slot.


That's lottery team mentality, not LeWinNow mentality. AC has missed already 12 games on lesser injuries.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:59 am    Post subject:

BTW do you know DGallinari was signed a 3/60 contract...

...to be a bench player. (and that was with capsace, the same capspace we do not have)

20mil is not star money. We have 2 stars and will earn 76mil next season. That's what stars costs.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:33 am    Post subject:

lakerican wrote:
MDI wrote:
Schroder can walk away for nothing and Lakers wouldn't miss a beat.

Since the all star break with basically no LBJ and AD

Schroder: 20 games, 33mpg, 16.3 ppg, 7.1 apg, 42% Fg, 36% 3FG, 104 ORTG, 107 DRTG, 50.6% TS%

THT: 19 games, 23mpg, 11.2 ppg, 3.5 apg, 44% FG, 22% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 106 DRTG 51.9% TS%

AC 18 games, 21 mpg, 6.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, 41% FG, 36% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 104 DRTG 50.8% TS%

Schroder brings exceptional speed but it hasn't translated into enough wins and production and he does not stand heads and shoulders above the pack. He wants to be paid like a 3rd star and he is not as good as he thinks he is.

The Lakers can clearly look in house for other options on offense if they lose DS for nothing. I'll take my chances on THT and AC making another leap next year. Lakershow can sign another PG like a McConnell or Neto or Patty Mills or other aforementioned guys to be the 3rd backup if necessary. Just because you lose speed doesn't mean you lose effectiveness. Last year's championship team didn't rely on speed in the PG slot.


That's lottery team mentality, not LeWinNow mentality. AC has missed already 12 games on lesser injuries.


Absolutely....wouldn't miss a beat...LMAO!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:38 am    Post subject:

MDI wrote:
Schroder can walk away for nothing and Lakers wouldn't miss a beat.

Since the all star break with basically no LBJ and AD

Schroder: 20 games, 33mpg, 16.3 ppg, 7.1 apg, 42% Fg, 36% 3FG, 104 ORTG, 107 DRTG, 50.6% TS%

THT: 19 games, 23mpg, 11.2 ppg, 3.5 apg, 44% FG, 22% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 106 DRTG 51.9% TS%

AC 18 games, 21 mpg, 6.1 ppg, 2.8 apg, 41% FG, 36% 3 FG, 103 ORTG, 104 DRTG 50.8% TS%

Schroder brings exceptional speed but it hasn't translated into enough wins and production and he does not stand heads and shoulders above the pack. He wants to be paid like a 3rd star and he is not as good as he thinks he is.

The Lakers can clearly look in house for other options on offense if they lose DS for nothing. I'll take my chances on THT and AC making another leap next year. Lakershow can sign another PG like a McConnell or Neto or Patty Mills or other aforementioned guys to be the 3rd backup if necessary. Just because you lose speed doesn't mean you lose effectiveness. Last year's championship team didn't rely on speed in the PG slot.


Schroeder is doing that as a #1 option where teams can game plan against our offense, his number in the last 10 games is improved from the last 20 games overall, he’s leading the lakers to a 0.500 without Bron/AD, THT and AC are just not at that level, hopefully THT in the future but not now, we can’t replace Schroeder without a cap space (currently THT/AC/McConnell are all back up)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:44 am    Post subject:

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Schroeder is doing that as a #1 option where teams can game plan against our offense, his number in the last 10 games is improved from the last 20 games overall, he’s leading the lakers to a 0.500 without Bron/AD, THT and AC are just not at that level, hopefully THT in the future but not now, we can’t replace Schroeder without a cap space (currently THT/AC/McConnell are all back up)


When Utah came out with that 2-3 zone with DS on the bench the entire offense came to a dead-stop. Vogel had to bring DS off the bench to try to better organize the offense. THT is too "green" at this stage of his career and, needs reps and experience to instantaneously "read and react" and direct traffic - he will get there in time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:29 am    Post subject:

Rob is too shrewd a guy to let DS just walk for nothing. He'll find a way to engage a S&T. That said, AD and Bron seem to love DS so I don't people should automatically assume he's gone.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:11 am    Post subject:

One thing I’ll say about DS. Despite the flaws in his game, he doesn’t take anything personal, always business.

He could have mailed it in, but he’s not wired that way. Lebron and AD love his competitive mindset. You need the mentally strong and competitively wired guys in the playoffs. That’s why Rondo becomes playoff Rondo.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:17 am    Post subject:

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Rob is too shrewd a guy to let DS just walk for nothing. He'll find a way to engage a S&T. That said, AD and Bron seem to love DS so I don't people should automatically assume he's gone.


Yeah the Lakers aren't the only team with limited options if their FA wants paid. A S&T for a guy like Mike Conley may make sense. A 2 yr deal to chase a ring fits the LBJ timeline especially if DS demands 4yr. Utah would risk Conley walking to another team or have to give a long term deal to an aging player.

It doesn't have to be a PG. You just have to find a match of a team that is going to lose a player on the market without money to spend. You can deal for a big and then use the MLE on a PG. Or deal for a SG or SF and have a player (KCP or Kuz) to deal with a 1st to upgrade another need. Sort of another DS opportunity with Hope's for a better chance to sign them long term.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:18 am    Post subject:

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Rob is too shrewd a guy to let DS just walk for nothing. He'll find a way to engage a S&T. That said, AD and Bron seem to love DS so I don't people should automatically assume he's gone.


The chance hinge on us winning it all again. We giving him all the leverage because he has to give us his blessing in order to keep him or execute a sign and trade for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:22 am    Post subject:

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One thing I’ll say about DS. Despite the flaws in his game, he doesn’t take anything personal, always business.

He could have mailed it in, but he’s not wired that way. Lebron and AD love his competitive mindset. You need the mentally strong and competitively wired guys in the playoffs. That’s why Rondo becomes playoff Rondo.

No questions asked when he defended the likes of curry and lillard every game. No questions asked when the team asked him to facilitate when his primarily an attack guard. He knew he will make mistakes, that it’s going to be a learning process for him and might make him look bad stats-wise. No questions asked when the team asked him to build chemistry with trez and then do it again with drummond. No questions asked when the team shifted their offense and made him hunt mismatches all game.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:48 am    Post subject:

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Schroeder is doing that as a #1 option where teams can game plan against our offense, his number in the last 10 games is improved from the last 20 games overall, he’s leading the lakers to a 0.500 without Bron/AD, THT and AC are just not at that level, hopefully THT in the future but not now, we can’t replace Schroeder without a cap space (currently THT/AC/McConnell are all back up)


When Utah came out with that 2-3 zone with DS on the bench the entire offense came to a dead-stop. Vogel had to bring DS off the bench to try to better organize the offense. THT is too "green" at this stage of his career and, needs reps and experience to instantaneously "read and react" and direct traffic - he will get there in time.


I’m sure THT will get there too, maybe when he’s 24ish tho. man I hope Rob can get the cap math to work, he needs to keep the loose assets to run with AD long term, DS, Drummond, THT... maybe even AC but doubt we can fit all. KCP and Kuz already locked and tradable. Gonna be interesting
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:00 am    Post subject:

I am of two minds with DS, I would like to see more star play for what he wants to be paid, but I doubt we have any other options, unless he agrees to a sign and trade for something we actually want for him. I think a lot is going to depend on the postseason. If we win again, and DS plays well, then I think we will match pretty much whatever he is offered.

If we don't win, and he wants the moon, I think we at least look at our options. THT is probably going to be great, but unless he goes Kobe clone on us, I think he is still another season away from a respectable shooting percentage. But man, if THT could shoot 40% on 3 pointers and let Lebron do the ball handling...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:13 am    Post subject:

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One thing I’ll say about DS. Despite the flaws in his game, he doesn’t take anything personal, always business.

He could have mailed it in, but he’s not wired that way. Lebron and AD love his competitive mindset. You need the mentally strong and competitively wired guys in the playoffs. That’s why Rondo becomes playoff Rondo.

No questions asked when he defended the likes of curry and lillard every game. No questions asked when the team asked him to facilitate when his primarily an attack guard. He knew he will make mistakes, that it’s going to be a learning process for him and might make him look bad stats-wise. No questions asked when the team asked him to build chemistry with trez and then do it again with drummond. No questions asked when the team shifted their offense and made him hunt mismatches all game.


For sure. From a player perspective, I think he is widely respected.

I think Lebron just loves how competitive DS is and I’m sure Pelinka and the coaching staff love his professionalism. He’s pretty similar to Pelinka in terms of just staying quiet and getting to work. He may or may not re-sign but I’m sure the organization respects what he brings and stands for...
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I am of two minds with DS, I would like to see more star play for what he wants to be paid, but I doubt we have any other options, unless he agrees to a sign and trade for something we actually want for him. I think a lot is going to depend on the postseason. If we win again, and DS plays well, then I think we will match pretty much whatever he is offered.

If we don't win, and he wants the moon, I think we at least look at our options. THT is probably going to be great, but unless he goes Kobe clone on us, I think he is still another season away from a respectable shooting percentage. But man, if THT could shoot 40% on 3 pointers and let Lebron do the ball handling...


I love THT. But I think he's about 2 years from being a possible full-time starter level quality player. Two things haunt him right now: 3 point shooting and team defense.

But he's 20, and I'm glad we didn't trade him away for Lowry. He's a key piece of our future.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject:

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I am of two minds with DS, I would like to see more star play for what he wants to be paid, but I doubt we have any other options, unless he agrees to a sign and trade for something we actually want for him. I think a lot is going to depend on the postseason. If we win again, and DS plays well, then I think we will match pretty much whatever he is offered.

If we don't win, and he wants the moon, I think we at least look at our options. THT is probably going to be great, but unless he goes Kobe clone on us, I think he is still another season away from a respectable shooting percentage. But man, if THT could shoot 40% on 3 pointers and let Lebron do the ball handling...


I love THT. But I think he's about 2 years from being a possible full-time starter level quality player. Two things haunt him right now: 3 point shooting and team defense.

But he's 20, and I'm glad we didn't trade him away for Lowry. He's a key piece of our future.

the 3 point shooting is the only thing that prevent him from being a star. however, that is not easy to work on. hope he can get better in the off season. when the defender respect his 3, he will get even more driving lanes.
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