Montrezl Harrell numbers since Andre Drummond joined (11 games):
Quote:
Points: 10.3
Rebounds: 5.6
Assists: 0.5
Blocks: 0.5
Field Goal: 47.9%
Mins: 18.57
Plus/Minus: -33
Notable observation since Drummond signing is that Harrell's mins have gone down, he used to average 24 mins per game, now cut down to about 19 mins. His field goal efficiency drastically dropped from 62% down to 48% dropping his points average and has been a net negative -33 in those games since Drummond joined. _________________ Endgame Hail Hydra
Montrezl Harrell numbers since Andre Drummond joined (11 games):
Quote:
Points: 10.3
Rebounds: 5.6
Assists: 0.5
Blocks: 0.5
Field Goal: 47.9%
Mins: 18.57
Plus/Minus: -33
Notable observation since Drummond signing is that Harrell's mins have gone down, he used to average 24 mins per game, now cut down to about 19 mins. His field goal efficiency drastically dropped from 62% down to 48% dropping his points average and has been a net negative -33 in those games since Drummond joined.
-33 on plus/minus?!?
I’ve seen enough! Someone message this to Vogel, and play Marc Gasol as backup 5!
@IronMamba, if you can make a similar stat to show Marc’s numbers in that span, that would be great. _________________
Trezz has a pretty decent looking mid range jumper. Wonder why he never tried to extend his range. If he could hit 32% from 3, he would be getting a much bigger payday. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
@IronMamba, if you can make a similar stat to show Marc’s numbers in that span, that would be great.
I put those numbers in the Marc Gasol thread.
Thanks!
So Marc is way more efficient and doing way more than Trez including assists and blocks. Most importantly plus/minus:
Trez = -33
Marc = -2
I’ll gladly take -2 with Marc that’s like a one possession game which means Lakers are competing and very much still in it. Whereas -33 with Trez means Lakers are getting their (bleep) blown out! _________________
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I don’t believe the guards are trying to get the ball to Trez, especially on PnR, it seems like they’re icing him out f the half court offense. Trez is the hardest working player on team & gives %100 every time on floor. I don’t care if Drum & Gasol get minutes at center, but Frank has to get Trez in at PF whenever Gasol is in the game & a threat at 3 pt line. I have a feeling Trez would excel at PF if given the chance... He has a ton of heart & energy gotta find him minutes! But at same time use Gasol to draw shot blockers away from rim! _________________ My Laker squad.
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I don’t believe the guards are trying to get the ball to Trez, especially on PnR, it seems like they’re icing him out f the half court offense. Trez is the hardest working player on team & gives %100 every time on floor. I don’t care if Drum & Gasol get minutes at center, but Frank has to get Trez in at PF whenever Gasol is in the game & a threat at 3 pt line. I have a feeling Trez would excel at PF if given the chance... He has a ton of heart & energy gotta find him minutes! But at same time use Gasol to draw shot blockers away from rim!
His first 2 seasons in the league he was playing PF alongside Nene. I think he and Gasol at C would actually work together. _________________ Tacos
I don’t believe the guards are trying to get the ball to Trez, especially on PnR, it seems like they’re icing him out f the half court offense. Trez is the hardest working player on team & gives %100 every time on floor. I don’t care if Drum & Gasol get minutes at center, but Frank has to get Trez in at PF whenever Gasol is in the game & a threat at 3 pt line. I have a feeling Trez would excel at PF if given the chance... He has a ton of heart & energy gotta find him minutes! But at same time use Gasol to draw shot blockers away from rim!
His first 2 seasons in the league he was playing PF alongside Nene. I think he and Gasol at C would actually work together.
We have hardly seen the Gasol/Trezz combo at any point this season and it’s not gonna happen now especially with Drummond getting bulk of the minutes over Harrell and Gasol.
Until Vogel will make an adjustment on the Harrell @C lineup. I wouldn't say that Lakers will win it all this season. I've seen enough. Even with a monster Starters, opponents will still get a run whenever harrell is manning the paint. I dont see him improve in the playoffs. He's not Rondo.
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Yeah that’s Harrell for you guys. Us clips had enough of his defensive liability ass. Sure he could get his stats. But that’s about it. He don’t care about winning. Just if he looks good on paper. Dudes a whole trash can in the clutch
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I have said this all season along: the Lakers did not need Montrezl Harrell. He's a net negative player even when he scores. Vogel should not make him the default 2nd unit center. He should compete w/ Gasol.
I was never a fan of Trezz as a “center.” (As that was one of many reasons I begged for another big man). Now I see why. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I'm worry on what I am seeing now. I know Laker starters when complete is very hard to stop. It's just that I can't stop thinking that even if Lakers will have a monster Starting lineup, all of their efforts will just go to waste once Harrell goes in. And it's making me think twice if they can really win it all. I don't know how will Vogel mask Harrell's weakness if he will not bench him in the playoffs, because if not, that might cause them a series. Just like how Vogel mask Rondo's defense last year with AC helping him and also Rondo step it up a notch in the playoffs.
I am wondering why Vogel can't bench Harrell. Last season everytime Dwight or McGee will have a bad start, they will almost be bench immediately. But Vogel is just watching Harrell got abused out there without adjustments. Maybe that's why he's having a hard time what to do on Harrell, he is reluctant to put him @PF spot, but he can't also bench him.
I'm worry on what I am seeing now. I know Laker starters when complete is very hard to stop. It's just that I can't stop thinking that even if Lakers will have a monster Starting lineup, all of their efforts will just go to waste once Harrell goes in. And it's making me think twice if they can really win it all. I don't know how will Vogel mask Harrell's weakness if he will not bench him in the playoffs, because if not, that might cause them a series. Just like how Vogel mask Rondo's defense last year with AC helping him and also Rondo step it up a notch in the playoffs.
I am wondering why Vogel can't bench Harrell. Last season everytime Dwight or McGee will have a bad start, they will almost be bench immediately. But Vogel is just watching Harrell got abused out there without adjustments. Maybe that's why he's having a hard time what to do on Harrell, he is reluctant to put him @PF spot, but he can't also bench him.
There is more than enough evidence to know that Harrel cannot anchor the defense as our backup center. Vogel has been using him in this position with predictably poor results all season. Harrel is best to be played with only lebron in a purely uptempo role where maybe the pace is fast enough to mask his deficiencies. Vogel biggest mistake all year has been his handling of the backup center minutes. It’s definitely a major weakness.
Harrell is likely a 1 year rental, unless Jeanie is open to bringing him back, hopefully he steps up in the playoffs.. if something is bothering him then maybe Vogel can sit him for a couple of games.
Had a bad string of games. Not going to be a "2 week warrior" that only has an attention span of 2 weeks.
But he is in kind of a slump, was better today, not on the defensive end but was more what we're used to.
That said, Vogel SHOULD be at least ATTEMPTING him at the backup 4 and Gasol at the backup 5. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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