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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:32 pm    Post subject: WARRIORS -at- LAKERS - 1/18 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Giving It Away... You’ve got to respect your opponent.

The Lakers pushed out to a quick lead as has been the case with frequency lately. Dennis Schröder was scoring at will in the first quarter. They flirted with 20-point leads, then let that slip away to as little as 5 points before a good close to the half with their starters.

In the third quarter, a series of open threes for the Warriors, and then techs and turnovers for the Lakers had the advantage trimmed again. The Lakers weren’t meeting the intensity the Warriors were playing with. A 17-point lead was trimmed to 2.

With some good energy and offense from Kuzma and AC off the bench, they helped the Lakers push the lead back up to 11 heading into the fourth.

They Laker self destructed a bit down the stretch with inbounds passing errors and missing wide open looks. And the refs certainly were officiating with the momentum. They called a travel on LeBron on a push off at the three line, then ignored Green scoring on the other end after sliding and moving both feet on the drive. That was a big switch of probably 4 points, and the Lakers trailed by 4 as a result with 1:40 left in that sequence.

The Lakers would get a chance to win it. After getting a stop down 2, Vogel called a timeout as Schröder and AC were fumbling the ball on the perimeter with 1.7 seconds left. LeBron couldn’t hit a three on the inbounds and the Lakers lost 115-113.


LeBron -- -- It seemed like a poor first half but he still managed 10 points on 4-8 shooting. But the 1-4 freethrow shooting and some less than enthusiastic effort on D at times hurt. Oubre got some easier looks as a result. Too much coasting there. Offensively, I don’t think he had a lot of confidence in his jumper. That resulted in a lot of pounding the ball and LeBron seeing the floor get smaller on him. Eventually, he’d bark on a shooter for not taking an open three. You’ve got to knock those down to keep the D honest and we didn’t late in the game. He had a lazy inbounds pass to Schröder with 3 minutes left in the backcourt for a turnover. He was also called for a key travel late. Just an ugly game. On the plus side, the ball screens for his guards is a nice twist we’re seeing more this season as we have some guys who are doing a better job attacking/playmaking off those. The Stats: He scored 19 points on 6-16 shooting (2-7 from three, 5-8 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 5 assists, 1 steal, 5 turnovers and 1 foul in 38 minutes. He was a -9.

Davis -- -- He had 6 assists in the first quarter. He found Schröder for several of those (one on a Gasol-like feed from the top of the arc to hit him cutting). He also had another nice high-low to Harrell for a bucket. We even made him the key trigger man on an ATO to set up LeBron for a layup down low. He’d finish the first half with 8 points, 7 assists and 8 boards. That was the end of his assists. It’s rare you will see both LeBron and AD flat on the same night. AD’s jumper and work offensively wasn’t there. He tried to crash the glass and had a key putback late in the game, but he missed a wide open 18-footer earlier and even airballed another jumper. Warriors caught a break tonight. The Stats: He scored 17 points on 6-16 shooting (0-1 from three, 5-7 from the line) to go with 17 boards (5 offensive), 7 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 37 minutes. He was a +12.

Schröder -- -- A burst of scoring in the first quarter as he had 14 points on 5-7 shooting to push the Lakers to a 29-14 lead. So as many points as the Warriors managed. It’s nice to have another player who loves to attack a mismatch. He did that consistently for layups and a three in that quarter. “He got passed the point of attack too easily,” Kerr said. The Warriors would get caught on switches and that made that easier. You’d see Schröder call over Gasol, get his man to switch, then he’d attack it for FTs. He’d finish the first half with 18 points on 6-11 shooting. A flurry of missed wide open threes at the end of the half to shoot just 1-5 from three in the half. But he’d go a +30 in 17 minutes in the first half. The second half? A -23 in 16 minutes. I would have liked to see him get into the midrange for some easy looks, but we were a bit scattered and he was deferring quite a bit to the stars (even on our last possession where Vogel called a timeout as Schröder pass the ball to AC). He didn’ draw some key FTs with 30 seconds left, but only made one. The Stats: He scored 25 points on 8-15 shooting (1-5 from three, 8-9 from the line) to go with 5 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 33 minutes. He was a +7.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- LeBron lit into him for not taking a three with under 4 minutes to go. We got a shotclock violation as a result as the ball made its way back to LeBron. The Lakers did that a bit too much in this one. Very quiet night for KCP. After a lot of praise, he was invisible for this one. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-3 shooting from three (1-1 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 23 minutes. He was a -2.

Gasol -- -- We’re seeing him in the corner a bit more when we run LeBron/AD two-man sequences up top. He hit a three off an AD short-roll kickout on that scenario in the first quarter. He’d miss another three later. Just one assist in the game, a long inbounds to LeBron who was cherry picking after arguing with a ref. Just one stint in the second half. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-5 shooting (1-2 from three) to go with 1 board, 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 16 minutes. He was a +4.

Harrell -- -- He had 12 points on 6-6 shooting in the first half. Several dunks on setups, including a couple on the break. He also hit a jumphook over a smaller man on iso. In the second half he got to the line for a few points and his only bucket was on a face-up jumper. He went between his legs with the ball (no dribble), then hit it. The jumper is certainly looking good. He was in and out of the game defensively late. He had 2 blocks in the game, but not a lot of presence defensively in that regard. The Stats: He scored 17 points on 7-8 shooting (3-5 from the line) to go with 8 boards (2 offensive), 1 assist, 2 blocks and 2 fouls in 28 minutes. He was a +2.

Kuzma -- -- He had a pretty good stretch of ball in the second half to give the Lakers a lift when they needed it. He sank some big threes, hit from midrange and was sparking the team. Then he went flat with the rest of the team down the stretch. Another double-double for Kuz as he was aggressive on the glass. He did have a stupid offensive foul on the offensive glass to give Curry a couple freethrows. We just nickel and dimed ourselves to death in the game with little things like that. We had him closing a bit because of that good play earlier and nothing positive from him there. Still, good bench game from him regardless. The Stats: He scored 15 points on 6-11 shooting (3-7 from three) to go with 10 boards (2 offensive), 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a -13.

Caruso -- -- He had a nice sequence where LeBron set him a screen on the wing, rolled and AC found him for the score. I love seeing the two-man action from them and we’re giving AC a little more responsibility to playmake this season it seems. He made one three in this one. He missed a big open corner three in crunch time, but didn’t get a lot of run late. We’re still feeling things out. It seems like Vogel goes to AC when things go south, hoping he can turn it around for the team instead of just giving him longer run when he should. It’s a long season. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 3-5 shooting (1-3 from three) to go with 1 board, 4 assists, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a +20.

Matthews -- -- He seems to be in on some of our poor functioning lineups a bit too much. The Harrell, Morris, LeBron, Kuzma, Matthews lineup continued look horrible and the Warriors were able to trim down an early lead in that second quarter against them. We didn’t see that in the second half. He was a -5 in 8 minutes in that first half. We’re no longer seeing that THT/AC combo since Matthews return. It’s a bit frustrating at times, but it’s a long season and the coach needs to figure things out with guys. He scored a layup to start the fourth in the post (I think, TNT was late). He missed a layup earlier he should have had and looked off balance on a corner three he rushed. He also gave up an easy And-1 on iso D. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-3 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 2 fouls in 15 minutes. He was a -6.

Morris -- -- He had a -12 in 6 minutes in that first half lineup mentioned in the Matthews’ writeup. He just seemed a bit too slow-footed defensively. He might even have been a little too willing a passer on the perimeter as we gave up advantages a couple times from guys moving the ball instead of taking what the D gave them. He didn’t play in the second half. The Stats: He scored 1 point on 0-1 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 1 turnover and 1 foul in 6 minutes. He was a -12.

Vogel -- -- Key Moment: It’s probably some of the uninspired ball in the first half and third quarter. The Lakers didn’t play with the intensity the Warriors were and that ultimately cost them. But the Lakers did have a chance to win this game after getting a stop with 12 seconds left. We let the guys push the ball up court (ball in Schröder’s hands). He then deferred to AC after a few dribbles and things went south. Vogel recognized that made a good call for timeout with 1.7 seconds left to try to salvage something. (We’d get a long chuck from three for LeBron, so not a great play out of that). But you could debate the whole taking the timeout with 12 seconds left or doing something on the move with the D not set in the final play. This team was a bit lost at times tonight with their purpose down the stretch, so it probably would have been better to call a timeout sooner with 12 seconds left. That would have gotten the ball inhis stars hands to create a good look. Everything was just off for the team tonight, even the coaching.

Key Substitution: The Harrell, Morris, LeBron, Kuzma, Matthews lineup has just looked awful. This unit flounders on both ends. This lineup was a -32 when used this season. When we should be stepping on the Warriors neck in this game, we went to this in the first half and they stayed attached. Matthews/Kuzma is an odd combo back court.

Key Stats: The Lakers got outscored 67-49 in the second half. But let’s also look at that 4-4 record at home. The team has really not brought great effort in those losses. There’s no crowd to lift them and they seem to be just showing up in cruise control at times.

Coach’s Challenge: The Warriors used theirs early in the second half on a turnaround jumper by AD that looked a bit awkward as Oubre got a piece of it from behind. Saved Oubre a foul and FTs for AD, resulted in a jumpball at center court, which we didn’t secure. Vogel challenged a foul on Curry on a three later in the quarter. The Lakers had pushed the lead back to 9 and I think he was looking for a momentum stop. While the challenge will go as unsuccessful, the foul was determined to have occurred before he shot, so no freethrows to Curry. Warriors still scored three on that possession.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:37 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:38 pm    Post subject:

That was more effort than Bron expended in the second half.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:11 pm    Post subject:

(bleep). Gave that one away.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:15 pm    Post subject:

Worst officiated game of the season IMO...Refs thought they were reffing a Warriors game from 3 years ago apparently.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:44 pm    Post subject:

DB,

Thanks for the write-up.

I check-in on the game every now and then. I stopped watching with about 4 minutes left in the game. I had a feeling that they were going to lose this one. They didn't put the Warriors away and got burned for it.

On to the next one.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:50 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB for another good summary.

Frustrating game; one I was concerned about as I've watched the Warriors a few games this year and even without Klay they can be competitive. With what they have I think they can push for the 8th seed, maybe even 7th.

Losing a 7 point lead with about 4 minutes to go in the game was annoying, especially with how confused on both ends they seemed to be. Vogel and James Worthy both pretty much said the same thing: They took things for granted, and basically just got sloppy and too comfortable.

I'm still looking for a quality win by the way. I thought that was the Houston games but egad, while those count as W's I'm not sure if Harden was giving effort or no after watching him play today (he just played completely different, and that is against a very good Bucks Team), so now those Houston games are question marks for me as "quality wins" or "signature wins". We get to see where our fellas are at this trip, however, as they will be facing healthy Bucks, Sixers, and Celtics squads (unless something happens between then and now).

BTW, based on how teams are playing, I'm wondering if anyone will actually lose less than 20 games this year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:39 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the analysis, DB! Glad to see you back!

This game was especially frustrating, cause I could see what was coming, from tip off. The Lakers played disinterested, from the start of the game. The only thing was, the Warriors were cold, and the Lakers were hot. This covered for a lot of lethargic play. Once the Warriors got warmed up, they started to play the Lakers tougher. Especially that second unit, led by Paschal. The Lakers were were hot, and cold, down the stretch to finish the first half. But, managed to give themselves some breathing room.

All that ended, in the second half. The Lakers continued to play sloppy, and the Warriors started hitting 3's, and killing us in the paint. Kuz had a good run this game, but it wasn't enough. Turnovers, ugly defense, and bad, stagnant offense sealed the loss.

What makes this loss teeth grinding is, it's very reminiscent of last season's Clippers. A team relying on talent, rather than effort, to win games. Last season, LeBron and AD HAD to be on, every game. There was no other player to help them carry the load. This team has multiple players who can share the offensive burden, and I think that's whats made LeBron and AD listless from time to time. Oh well. I hope they learn a lesson, before it bites them like it bit the Clippers...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:46 am    Post subject:

Attention Game

Tonight gives Vogel a chance to remind the team what they need to do, while also seeing what lineups work

As DB shared, when and where is the best place to play Matthews

When they face the Nets, they will need Matthews

KD, Beard, Kyrie, Jordan, Harris

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AD, Gasol, LBG, Schroeder, Matthews
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:36 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

The most telling sequence during that fourth quarter implosion was that shot clock violation. The team overpassed and kept looking to defer to Lebron, who on an off night wanted someone else to take ownership.

That might be an important lesson for the team.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:55 am    Post subject:

Thanks, DB!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject:

Since 2009, Lebron is 1-9 in games played on MLK day.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:21 am    Post subject:

The last 4 minutes everyone was shying away from the ball, giving it to Lebron and getting out of the way. Lebron was looking at them going "What you want me to do?" Sad way to end a game where the Lakers showed periods of brilliance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:41 am    Post subject:

Some Lakers 4th Q lineups and + - of each lineup

Trez-Kuz-Bron-Wesley-Caruso = -3 (outscored by 3)

AD enters for Caruso

Trez-AD-Kuz-Wesley-Bron = 0 (4-4)

Dennis in for Bron

Trez-AD-Kuz-Wesley-Dennis = 0 (0-0, we do not score)

KCP in for Kuz
Lebron in for Wes

Trez-AD-Bron-KCP-Dennis = -1

Kuz enters for Trez

AD-Kuz-Bron-KCP-Dennis = -7 (9-2 Warriors run)

Then we went to Trez in for Kuz, and Trez again out in about a minute, for Caruso.

That AD-Kuz-Bron-KCP-Dennis lineup. Key part of the game, was trying to look back at the lineups, seems this one had the most issues getting anything going. Our 5 best shot makers or individual players, and they had serious issues getting anything going.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:46 am    Post subject:

Seems like the Lakers thought the game was over after the 1st quarter.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:55 am    Post subject:

Lakers record against West .500+ playoff teams.

Clippers 0-1
Blazers 0-1
Spurs 2-1 (Both wins Spurs without LMA)
Warriors 0-1

2-4 with 2 wins against LMA less Spurs.

I do not know how much you can read into that, but the Blazers, Warriors and Clippers all have beat us at home, and seems that 2nd half defense of ours breaksdown (and offense hits a wall) against all those teams in late game situations.

The Clips, Blazers, Warriors, exactly the type of teams we will be facing in the West playoffs. Not to pleased about this loss, I was hoping for a win against a good +.500 team.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:10 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! It's hard to win a game when both Bron and AD have off nights. Bron seems to have this Jekyll and Hyde thing going on. Between slaying Father Time and Father Time taking over. Last night looked like a Father Time moment. Bron seemed too tired to stay focused. Regardless, not just Bron, the whole team gave a sloppy effort. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the road trip.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:15 am    Post subject:

Draymond Green got away with a obvious travel at the end of the game.

Makes me think Vogel should have saved his challenge, but I am trying to remember the rule, but I think you can't challenge a play which no call was made?
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Draymond Green got away with a obvious travel at the end of the game.

Makes me think Vogel should have saved his challenge, but I am trying to remember the rule, but I think you can't challenge a play which no call was made?

I'm not sure of the answer. I did notice something else on the replay. Green stepped on a Lakers foot which led him to travel. If your foot lands on someone else's foot is that a pivot point or are you allowed to take another step to be planted on the gym floor?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:32 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
Lakers record against West .500+ playoff teams.

Clippers 0-1
Blazers 0-1
Spurs 2-1 (Both wins Spurs without LMA)
Warriors 0-1

2-4 with 2 wins against LMA less Spurs.

I do not know how much you can read into that, but the Blazers, Warriors and Clippers all have beat us at home, and seems that 2nd half defense of ours breaksdown (and offense hits a wall) against all those teams in late game situations.

The Clips, Blazers, Warriors, exactly the type of teams we will be facing in the West playoffs. Not to pleased about this loss, I was hoping for a win against a good +.500 team.


Maybe it’s trying to figure out new players, etc. and obviously it’s a unique situation in terms of only 71 days off between championship and regular season, but the clippers school of load managing doesn’t seem to be working out for the Lakers. It has specifically neutered AD tbh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:53 am    Post subject:

That loss was so n’good.

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject:

The entire game, every time the Warriors got close the Lakers were able to get the lead back up near double digits or larger within a minute or two, until the end when they couldn't. They didn't take this game or the Warriors seriously enough. That Curry three in AD's face though, not a surprise any longer but still impressive every time wow.
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wolfpaclaker wrote:
Lakers record against West .500+ playoff teams.

Clippers 0-1
Blazers 0-1
Spurs 2-1 (Both wins Spurs without LMA)
Warriors 0-1

2-4 with 2 wins against LMA less Spurs.

I do not know how much you can read into that, but the Blazers, Warriors and Clippers all have beat us at home, and seems that 2nd half defense of ours breaksdown (and offense hits a wall) against all those teams in late game situations.

The Clips, Blazers, Warriors, exactly the type of teams we will be facing in the West playoffs. Not to pleased about this loss, I was hoping for a win against a good +.500 team.



yeah.. our record is a little bit fools gold. we have beaten the crappy teams but lost nearly against every quality opponent (depends if you see dallas as a top 4 team)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:41 am    Post subject:

we are 2021-22 clippers...
Most of the analysts think we are favorites. Fans think we can beat anyone as long as we are focused ( just like clippers saying they can beat anyone as long as they are focused)
we got away from what worked so far and added Gasol, DS and Trezz ( just like Zubac, Lou and Trezz)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject:

Did the Lakers even go to the rim from mid 3rd qtr to the end.? Settled for jumper after jumper and many didn't fall. GSW D was way more active than the Lakers late. You could see it coming.
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