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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:40 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- SIXERS - 1/27 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

First Loss on the Road... They weren’t going to go undefeated on the road. The Laker streak ends at 10-0 to start the season with the 107-106 loss to the 13-6 Sixers.

Both teams came out trading punches early. Then midway through the first, the Laker offense stalled out. They scratched back into it down 4 at the halftime behind 22 from LeBron. He put the team on his shoulders again, but several Lakers went scoreless in the half.

To start the third, the Lakers gave up an early 10-0 run in just over a minute of action and called a timeout, down 12. Losing these early timeouts would hurt later.

They’d trim it back to just 2, but as soon as LeBron went to the bench the lead ballooned back up.

The Lakers would fade in the fourth quarter, until Vogel went with his closers AD, Lebron, Caruso, KCP and Schröder. They were down 12 points with 3:07 left.

Some great energy by Caruso, including some key buckets, a steal and offensive board. He sparked the team and both Schröder and KCP would chip in with threes. The Lakers put together a 13-0 run, taking the lead with 12 seconds after calling a timeout to setup a score for AD curling from the corner.

“We almost choked,” Joel Embiid said afterward.

But Tobias Harris came up big, hitting a jumper with 2.4 seconds left over Caruso who switched on him. The Lakers had no timeouts and couldn’t get off a quality shot.

They dropped a tough one and can try to start a new streak tomorrow.


LeBron -- -- He had 22 points on 9-13 shooting in the first half, picking up where he left off in the last one. Some good moments early where Gasol was setting him up. He was also more consistently attacking the paint early. Later in the game, it got more perimeter oriented. We just needed more help from others tonight. LeBron also missed two FTs in the fourth quarter. He picked up his first flagrant (in apparently 7 years) with a push call on Embiid who was coming at him on the drive as LeBron was under the rim. Kind of weak. Embiid certainly goes down easy and often. All those little FTs and points we left on the table came back to bite us. The Stats: He scored 34 points on 12-22 shooting (2-5 from three, 8-11 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 6 assists, 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 39 minutes. He was a +3.

Davis -- -- The freethrow shooting this season is just not up to par. He struggled all game and missed two in a row with under 8 minutes left when we were trying to chip away at the lead. It’s just a mess. LeBron missed both his, too, on the next possession. Just a killer for the Lakers in the fourth. We needed every one of those points and he squandered away five missed FTs. Overall, just not a strong game from AD offensively. His jumper has been struggling quite a bit lately. We did set him up for a big layup cutting off the corner screen from Schröder out of a timeout. That would have been the game-winner had we gotten the stop. After the Sixers scored, we had 2.4 seconds left but no timeouts. He should have been trucking down court for one of those long passes that are one-on-one catches. Instead, he got the ball in the backcourt, stumbled and threw a prayer down court. The Stats: He scored 23 points on 9-18 shooting (0-3 from three, 5-10 from the line) to go with 8 boards, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 35 minutes. He was a -4.

Schröder -- -- He and Green covered each other to start. When you saw Green’s first three go down, you figured it might be that kind of night for him. We play this team six more times in a series, no way Green his four three in a game or perhaps the rest of that series. Meanwhile, Schröder struggled to find his role in the offense early on. He went 0-5 in the first half, passing up even easy layups. He just looked like he was in his own head. To start the second half, he started attacking, and Green’s poor mobility was exposed on a few layups. He sat a long time before returning late in the fourth and then he quickly got after it, attacking Green for easy scores. There was a play in the third quarter where he deferred and gave the ball up to LeBron. LeBron fired it back to him and basically said take him. He did and scored. He got more and more comfortable as the game went along. We even had him run a little two-man game with AD instead of LeBron, where he was in charge. He was key in our comeback with a three as well as a great screen to free up AD for a layup to take the lead. Some good defense on Green in the corner late to force an airball. Schröder scored all 16 of his points in the second half. Early season growing pains trying to get him comfortable. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 7-14 shooting (1-3 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 4 assists and no fouls in 29 minutes. He was a +0.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- Quiet, quiet night until we went to our closing unit. He was scoreless on 0-2 shooting in 22 minutes going into the fourth quarter. We were not getting the consistent open looks and ball movement that favors him. But late in the game he came up big drawing a moving screen call on Embiid on an inbounds to get a stop. Then, he’d swish a corner three on the other end to cut the lead to 1. Just needed to get him some more quality looks tonight and we didn’t. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-3 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover and no fouls in 27 minutes. He was a +1.

Gasol -- -- He and LeBron teamed up early for a series of easy scores. LeBron cutting, Gasol dishing and there was no one to challenge at the rim. Really nice seeing LeBron able to be the recipient of passes in those situations. It sure seems to come and go instead of being a consistent thing. In these plays, LeBron just backdoored his man a couple times. On another we came off a backscreen for the score. That backscreen play are the kinds of actions we need to set up with a little more consistency. Gasol would connect on a couple of threes, the only guy to do that for a while as no one else could hit anything from beyond the arc. Defensively, he had to bang with Embiid. He did a reasonable job as we left him on an island, but Embiid’s a tough cover. Gasol wasn't able to lock him up like he has in the past. The team let Embiid live at the FT line a bit too much. After that first quarter, the Lakers did a much better job defensively. This felt a little like how you could see Gasol’s role in the playoffs. Try to give you some serviceable minutes against a tough bigman, but let AD close. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-7 shooting (2-4 from three) to go with 2 boards, 3 assists, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a -9.

Harrell -- -- He picked up three quick fouls and a couple of steals in 5 minutes in the first half and had to sit scoreless. He’d go 10 minutes in the second half, able to stay on the floor. But he wasn’t able to do much in this one. While we had that Green vs. Schröder match up, it was going to be interesting to see the Dwight vs. Harrell match up and who would get the better of that since those guys kind of replaced each other in their roles. They combined for 1 point, so that was a dud. Trezz had some active hands and was able to get 3 steals. But neither guy really made an impact and both were a -6. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-1 shooting to go with 1 board, 3 steals and 4 fouls in 15 minutes. He was a -6.

Kuzma -- -- Quiet night for Kuz. He hit the boards with his usual energy. He scored his only bucket on a cut off a LeBron drive. He’d also hit LeBron on a drive of his own to set him up for a dunk. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-4 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 16 minutes.

Caruso -- -- While Harris hit a jumper over him for the game winner after he and LeBron switched, the Lakers would have never been in this game without AC’s heroics late. He’d score on a midrange after a probe, he’d attack for a layup, hit a big three, keep an offensive board alive, come up with a steal. He was the energy behind that run. He couldn’t lock down Harris on a switch for that game winner. Hey, had we hit some FTs, we might have taken this one. But AC’s fingerprints were all over that 13-0 late run. Maybe get him a few more minutes than 16. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-7 shooting (1-1 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 1 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal and 1 foul in 16 minutes. He was a +8.

Horton-Tucker -- -- Some early action when we went smaller with our lineups as Harrell picked up foul trouble and we slid Morris into the C spot and added another guard. He’d score his only bucket off an attack from the wing, throwing down with both hands. He missed a reverse, but Morris cleaned up the dribble penetration. A couple turnovers, however, in his 7 minutes. One he thought he was fouled on, so that was completely possible. The other, he was just picked from behind. He didn’t return in the second half as we didn’t have foul issues. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 3 boards, 2 turnovers and 1 foul in 7 minutes. He was a +4.

Morris -- -- Some brief moments in this one where he was in at C. We had Harrell and AD in foul trouble, so we went with Morris. He had a putback off a THT drive and scored a short one in the post when he had a mismatch. We ran that Harrell/Morris/LeBron/Kuzma/Matthews lineup more. The last three games it’s done better. I’m not sure what the big picture goal is yet with that lineup other than they could switch quite a bit. But it has been our worst and we aren’t playing guys like AC a lot. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-5 shooting (0-3 from three) to go with 2 boards and 1 foul in 13 minutes. He was a +3.

Matthews -- -- His minutes have been improving slightly recently. The last game you had to look at some of the off-ball stuff or zone busting plays he made. This one was a more traditional type of effort we’d like to see. Some feisty D and hitting threes. Should we have given him 20 and AC only 16? Probably not as AC just makes a lot happen. It does feel like he’s getting a little more integrated and making some baby steps. Hard not to improve. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-3 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a +0.

Vogel -- -- Key Moment: You got to go to the final possessions for each team. The Lakers were down 1 with 19 seconds left, 12 on the shotclock. Vogel called a timeout. We ran our pet play where Schröder screens the big in the corner, AD curls off that and LeBron hits him in the paint. AD got a layup off it. Great play call. Great execution. It burned our last timeout. On the other end, the Sixers looked for a switch on a high screen, got AC/LeBron to swap men and then shot over AC to go ahead with 2.4 seconds left. We had no timeouts, couldn’t advance the ball and didn’t execute anything. Would have been nice if we were more ready to do something in that situation. No doubt they’ll practice something.

Key Substitution: The Lakers were down big late, but then went to their closing lineup of AD, LeBron, AC, KCP and Schröder. Those guys balled and went on a 13-0 run. It was largely fueled by Caruso. AC scored a layup, stole the ball on the other end, then hit a three shortly later and then kept an offensive board alive, which led to a Schröder three. The Lakers were down 4 with 1:45 and the Sixers called a timeout. AD had a steal but couldn’t control it, KCP then drew an offensive foul on an inbounds to get the stop. So a 4-point lead and 1:27 left. KCP swished corner three with 1:05 to cut it to 1. Schröder forced an airball by Green. Timeout to set up the final play. Just some great energy. Maybe bring them back in a minute or two earlier.

Key Stats: Coach got a rare tech in this one to give up a FT in a 1-point game. The team was angry at a no call that the Sixers turned into a steal and Vogel picked up a tech. “What the (bleep) is wrong with him?” he yelled after getting T’d up. The Lakers were down 5, looking to cut it further and instead fell back 9 after a three and tech. But clearly the frustration was elevated in this game from the start. The Lakers had three technical fouls in this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:49 pm    Post subject:

AD is just not playing well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:06 pm    Post subject:

The silver lining from tonight is the KCP-Dennis-AC-Lebron-AD lineup is the one that should get most of the playoff minutes and Kuz/Harrell/Gasol/THT on certain matchups.

However, the Lakers will not repeat unless they get the AD from last season and the bubble. It’s too much like those Lebron no kyrie Cavs teams if AD is struggling at both ends like this.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:08 pm    Post subject:

Third.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:17 pm    Post subject:

IMO even with l I just felt like we are much better than them. We aren’t winning them all. Our faults were more self induced than a result of their scheme, talent
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:18 pm    Post subject:

Those 4 FTs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:45 pm    Post subject:

Another AAA summary DB, thanks again.

This game was frustrating to watch because the Lakers would have some really piss poor possessions on offense. For some reason tonight it appears guys could not handle passes cleanly, e.g. bobbling them for a split second, which allows a defender time to close in. Their defense had some amazing sequences, and then some hair pulling ones - I mean at least 2-3 times in this game they allowed the Sixers to blitz them with 7-0 or 10-0 point runs in a minute. That's insane, you cannot win games if you are giving up runs like that in a single freaking minute!

One thing I am concerned about is their "fast break"...it seems somewhat broken to me (am I wrong here?). They will get a turnover, blitz down the floor and...turn ball over. Or miss an easy layup. Or just not get a good shot out of it.

I am not understanding why Vog does not just give AC 25-30 minutes a game. Period. He plays pesky defense, and has improved offensively, and just seems to make things happen. If this means Wes ends up with 10, so be it, then just play better.

Overall, I am dissapointed because right now the Lakers are against "full and healthy" playoff caliber teams this year I believe 1-5. Sole win vs the Bucks. I find it interesting the announcers kept saying the Sixers looked at this as their "test" game due to an easy schedule - you could technically make the same argument about the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:52 pm    Post subject:

DB: One other thing.

Vog seems to burn through his timeouts quite fast. Tonight they entered the 4th I believe with 2, and not too long ago I believe with only 1. I'm not understanding why this team needs so many timeouts the first 3 quarters, that's usually something you see with a young team needing to be coached up...not a defending champion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:04 pm    Post subject:

The timeout that kills me is coming out flat at half and quickly burning one because they weren’t playing with intensity like the Sixers.
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Vogel’s shown an ability to make pragmatic decisions with the rotations and dial them in when it counts. I still feel he’s working it out and testing lineups maybe to the detriment of costing a game here or there. That said, totally agree you have to free Caruso!!

Good to see Schroder come alive and get some of those layups in the second half.

AD, I’m not worried about just yet. He will have a bounce back, count on it. Gasol and Wes concern me more, both seem past their prime.

We almost stole this one & it would have been found money. Got to love Caruso, schroder, KCP and AD all hitting big shots on the last couple minutes. Tip your cap to Harris. I don’t think 76ers would beat the Lakers in a series with the chance to make adjustments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:05 am    Post subject:

16 for 25 from the free throw line.

Lakers were 2 for 12 from three early before a late flurry raised it to 8 for 24 from three at the end of the gamed.

Allowing 10 steals compared to only 5 for the Lakers did not help either.

All in all the game was not as close at the score indicated. Lakers were consistently down 8-12 for most of the game. Getting hot at the end made it look close.

Still I do not think the Sixers could take the Lakers in a seven game series. Shooting is not going to be that bad and defense is not going to make that many mistakes over a seven game series.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:48 am    Post subject:

Sigh. We had no business winning this game. Uninspired basketball from us.

Thanks, DB!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:09 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB! DS looked like the biggest scrub in the first half and one of the best players on the court in the 2nd half. If we could bottle up the 2nd half DS, we would be unbeatable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:24 am    Post subject:

The team was flat most of the game, and did not have the intensity needed to win a big match up like this. You knew the Sixers with Green-Dwight were gonna come out with some energy.

I know AD is getting a lot of criticism, but AD is not the reason that players like KCP-DS were not factors in the 1st half or that the 3rd Q start as a whole was so awful. I have not seen a Laker team give up 10 points in a bit over a minute like that in the Vogel era too many times. You knew they were flat. That is not on AD alone, that is a team thing. ADs missed FTs were bad though, and he is not hitting his jumpshot at a great clip (yet relying on it way too much).

Still, I like the finish. That showed some fight and the elite impact we have from our go to closing lineup which has AD at the 5, Bron at the 4 typically, Caruso as defensive point, KCP and Dennis. Big run, to bring the game almost being stolen by the Lakers.

I will not lie. When we were about to steal the game, I thought about the impact of playing that badly and just turning it on in the end, could have for the team. I never say its ok to lose. I rather have won. But if we did lose, I am happy we lost a game where we played like (bleep). I rather lose when the effort is not there and some lineup adjustments are needed, than seeing us lose when we have tried our best. The latter means, you are simply maybe not good enough.
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One thing that stood out to me was that if this is a playoff game, you got to cut Trez minutes at the 5 in this one. You can not play both Gasol and Trez in the same game, and sacrifice the impact of AD at the 5. That closing lineup had AD at the 5. In a playoff setting, you wanna go for that lineup a little earlier. Gasol was a -9, and Trez was a -6. A combined -15 you were outscored when Gasol-Trez played at the 5. This means that that in the 9 minutes that AD played the 5, the Lakers outscored the Sixers by a lot. For the Lakers this is just another game, but come playoffs, these sort of games, we can not be playing Trez-Gasol 39 minutes a game.

The other thing, Caruso is coming into games quite late. I would bring him in earlier, and I would also give Dennis closer to 24 minutes a game and give Caruso more than 16. 16 for what is our 3rd impact guy on most nights, is way too low.

Not sure I buy that the current rotation-lineups can work in a playoff setting, so I am really hoping that Vogel is simply buying time until the playoffs. He ran a similar rotation last season in the RS, then changed it up a lot in the playoffs. I hope the same. To be the best team in the NBA, we need AD to be our primary 5, and we need more minutes for Caruso. If Frank can also get Kuzma comfortable in those closing minutes-death lineups, now are a team that has no weaknesses, when the game is on the line. Teams will get some switches on us if we always close with 3 guards (like we did last night). Ideally we get Kuz in there or the very least Wesley. We could use a bigger wing in there with that death lineup that has AD at the 5, Bron usually at the 4 and Caruso at defensive ball stopper with KCP as one of the wings. I think we could even get away with sometimes subbing KCP for Dennis in that lineup, we should be trying to get some Kuz or Wesley Matthews minutes there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:35 am    Post subject:

why not put Kuzma on Harris for the last possesion? alex is great, but we need a bigger body for those lengthy forwards in crunch time situations
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lakerboy wrote:
why not put Kuzma on Harris for the last possesion? alex is great, but we need a bigger body for those lengthy forwards in crunch time situations

That lineup had done great to get the 13-0 run and a 1 point lead in 3 min. You are not going to bench a guy likely in that situation when the unit has not allowed a score for minutes at a time.

But, in general. We need to get some minutes for Kuz or Wesley in these closing lineups. AD is our 5, Bron our 4 match up wise. and you have Caruso usually. KCP and Dennis our weapons so I get it. However a team with talented big wings can take advantage of the smalls on our side. So we have to get a wing in there for some reps to develop chemistry and trust. Last year we tried Kuz quite a bit in these situations, but Kuz sort of lost his way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:01 am    Post subject:

The whole internet is in a frenzy over that Lebron flagrant on Embiid. I'm too much of a homer to see that play objectively. Was that as dirty and callous as people are claiming, because to me it didn't look like Lebron pushed at all.
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PenG_ wrote:
The whole internet is in a frenzy over that Lebron flagrant on Embiid. I'm too much of a homer to see that play objectively. Was that as dirty and callous as people are claiming, because to me it didn't look like Lebron pushed at all.


It's a flagrant one. I don't buy Embiid's argument that it should have been a flagrant two. It wasn't that bad. But I rolled my eyes when DB called it "weak" and implied that Embiid was flopping. A two-handed push on an airborne player with no attempt to legitimately defend the play is a flagrant one. The refs got it right, in my opinion. Really, a flagrant one isn't that big of a deal, but this was more than just a common foul.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:29 am    Post subject:

michaelg wrote:
Vogel’s shown an ability to make pragmatic decisions with the rotations and dial them in when it counts. I still feel he’s working it out and testing lineups maybe to the detriment of costing a game here or there. That said, totally agree you have to free Caruso!!

Good to see Schroder come alive and get some of those layups in the second half.

AD, I’m not worried about just yet. He will have a bounce back, count on it. Gasol and Wes concern me more, both seem past their prime.

We almost stole this one & it would have been found money. Got to love Caruso, schroder, KCP and AD all hitting big shots on the last couple minutes. Tip your cap to Harris. I don’t think 76ers would beat the Lakers in a series with the chance to make adjustments.


Some think that Vogel is not giving AC big minutes because he already know what he gonna get from AC. He will eventually use him longer whne it matters. Unlike the new guys where he still need to experiment on how he will use them. Another rweasobalso is with giving AC less minutes, they are lowering his value for the upcoming free agency just like THT.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:07 am    Post subject:

PenG_ wrote:
The whole internet is in a frenzy over that Lebron flagrant on Embiid. I'm too much of a homer to see that play objectively. Was that as dirty and callous as people are claiming, because to me it didn't look like Lebron pushed at all.


Nothing to see there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:36 am    Post subject:

lakerboy wrote:
why not put Kuzma on Harris for the last possesion? alex is great, but we need a bigger body for those lengthy forwards in crunch time situations


Actually, I believe that LeBron was guarding Harris at the beginning of the play, but LeBron and AC switched off following a screen.

This doesn't completely answer your question as to whether it would have been good to include Kuz in the lineup, but LeBron and AC should be two of our best crunch time defenders.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject:

When Kuz/KCP/Trezz combine for 6 total points, and AD/LBJ miss 4 FTs in a row, that's your game folks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:31 pm    Post subject:

lakerboy wrote:
why not put Kuzma on Harris for the last possesion? alex is great, but we need a bigger body for those lengthy forwards in crunch time situations
AC is the most dependable defender that won't foul.

Harris made a great shot

If there was a rebound, AC is the best person to have on the floor
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:34 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
The timeout that kills me is coming out flat at half and quickly burning one because they weren’t playing with intensity like the Sixers.
Agree

Lakers seem a second to slow in every aspect of the game, though the fight and energy was mostly there - except for coming out at the half, something unusual for this group
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