Joined: 04 May 2017 Posts: 3077 Location: The Left Coast
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:00 am Post subject:
LakerSD wrote:
Kava wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
His offensive rebounding is exactly what we need when we get into our 3 point cold streaks.
He’s flawed, but he has a role.
Now that the dust has settled a bit, that is exactly it.
Took some time for expectation to break even with reality.
Yep buyout players are buyout players for a reason.
Both Drummond and McLemore get exposed in certain situations and matchups. On a team like the Lakers, all we need from Drummond is defensive contributions, fill the dunker’s spot and biggest of all snatch as many offensive rebounds as he can.
McLemore provides instant shooting off the bench, but you have to play him in spurts. Good example is last 2 min of 1st quarter where he comes in and hits a couple of 3s...or like last night 2 key baskets in the 4th to keep the Lakers within striking distance.
The problem with players like this is other organizations give them bigger roles and fans get frustrated with their flaws.
Yeah totally. Expectations were very high for Drummond and the reality of his contributions have settled. His role on the team is minimal, but still important. He can gobble up boards and his athleticism allows him to rotate nicely when he wants to. He can only look better once LeBron returns. It'll be a fun week to see LeBron integrating himself back in. I expect easier opportunities for Drum. _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant
His offensive rebounding is exactly what we need when we get into our 3 point cold streaks.
He’s flawed, but he has a role.
Now that the dust has settled a bit, that is exactly it.
Took some time for expectation to break even with reality.
Yep buyout players are buyout players for a reason.
Both Drummond and McLemore get exposed in certain situations and matchups. On a team like the Lakers, all we need from Drummond is defensive contributions, fill the dunker’s spot and biggest of all snatch as many offensive rebounds as he can.
McLemore provides instant shooting off the bench, but you have to play him in spurts. Good example is last 2 min of 1st quarter where he comes in and hits a couple of 3s...or like last night 2 key baskets in the 4th to keep the Lakers within striking distance.
The problem with players like this is other organizations give them bigger roles and fans get frustrated with their flaws.
Yeah totally. Expectations were very high for Drummond and the reality of his contributions have settled. His role on the team is minimal, but still important. He can gobble up boards and his athleticism allows him to rotate nicely when he wants to. He can only look better once LeBron returns. It'll be a fun week to see LeBron integrating himself back in. I expect easier opportunities for Drum.
I agree with a lot of this ......but his role is minimal?...I didn't know defense and rebounding was a minimal contribution. If we go up against Jokic or Gobert minimal becomes significant.
Joined: 04 May 2017 Posts: 3077 Location: The Left Coast
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 9:13 am Post subject:
King Randle wrote:
Mamba Mentality wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Kava wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
His offensive rebounding is exactly what we need when we get into our 3 point cold streaks.
He’s flawed, but he has a role.
Now that the dust has settled a bit, that is exactly it.
Took some time for expectation to break even with reality.
Yep buyout players are buyout players for a reason.
Both Drummond and McLemore get exposed in certain situations and matchups. On a team like the Lakers, all we need from Drummond is defensive contributions, fill the dunker’s spot and biggest of all snatch as many offensive rebounds as he can.
McLemore provides instant shooting off the bench, but you have to play him in spurts. Good example is last 2 min of 1st quarter where he comes in and hits a couple of 3s...or like last night 2 key baskets in the 4th to keep the Lakers within striking distance.
The problem with players like this is other organizations give them bigger roles and fans get frustrated with their flaws.
Yeah totally. Expectations were very high for Drummond and the reality of his contributions have settled. His role on the team is minimal, but still important. He can gobble up boards and his athleticism allows him to rotate nicely when he wants to. He can only look better once LeBron returns. It'll be a fun week to see LeBron integrating himself back in. I expect easier opportunities for Drum.
I agree with a lot of this ......but his role is minimal?...I didn't know defense and rebounding was a minimal contribution. If we go up against Jokic or Gobert minimal becomes significant.
Poor choice of words then. I meant in the context of expectations for him to score and block shots. He hasn't met our expectations for those, so hence lesser role to rebound and defend. Still very important though as noted. _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant
His offensive rebounding is exactly what we need when we get into our 3 point cold streaks.
He’s flawed, but he has a role.
Now that the dust has settled a bit, that is exactly it.
Took some time for expectation to break even with reality.
Yeah, I had him above Dennis when he got here but now after a few weeks of watching, DS is the better player. But it's not like Drum is bad or anything, he is still a plus player for us
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:18 am Post subject:
His usefulness is matchup dependent. Glad we have him as another option at C. He's another tool in the toolbox. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Amazingly Drummond is a better offensive player than both those guys (which says more about those guys' utter ineptitude on offense). As a defender, he is worse than both. Compared to Wallace.....different stratasphere. 5th best big defender I have ever seen after Rodman, Olajuwon, Garnett and Mourning.
Drummond instincts are very bad, but with the right coaching he can definitely be trained to make better decisions. Look at what Vogel did for KCP, Kuzma, and Howard. KCP and Kuzma were considered below average defenders before Vogel got here and they have made big improvements. Howard was basically out of the league until last year. One good sign is that Drummond has made improvements in the last few games.
Amazingly Drummond is a better offensive player than both those guys (which says more about those guys' utter ineptitude on offense). As a defender, he is worse than both. Compared to Wallace.....different stratasphere. 5th best big defender I have ever seen after Rodman, Olajuwon, Garnett and Mourning.
I compared him to Wallace in terms of his tendency to get rebounds and 2nd chances, defensively Wallace was far more superior.
Rummond is basically the rebounding version of Trez, no real D
I guess, he was out of positions a couple of times against the Rockets who play small ball. For a guy his size, he's pretty quick and can defend the perimeter. He made them pay by feasting on them in the paint. We don't win that game without him.
Also, his block on the three-point shooter in 3 qt was nice
Rummond is basically the rebounding version of Trez, no real D
I guess, he was out of positions a couple of times against the Rockets who play small ball. For a guy his size, he's pretty quick and can defend the perimeter. He made them pay by feasting on them in the paint. We don't win that game without him.
Be fair. The guy has played 0 minutes with Schro/KCP/LBJ & AD. Judge him in the playoffs when there's practice time, etc. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Rummond is basically the rebounding version of Trez, no real D
I guess, he was out of positions a couple of times against the Rockets who play small ball. For a guy his size, he's pretty quick and can defend the perimeter. He made them pay by feasting on them in the paint. We don't win that game without him.
Be fair. The guy has played 0 minutes with Schro/KCP/LBJ & AD. Judge him in the playoffs when there's practice time, etc.
With his skillset and productivity, my expectation for him is Dwight level of usefulness in last season's playoffs - meaning inconsistency but games here and there where he is extremely useful.
Rummond is basically the rebounding version of Trez, no real D
I guess, he was out of positions a couple of times against the Rockets who play small ball. For a guy his size, he's pretty quick and can defend the perimeter. He made them pay by feasting on them in the paint. We don't win that game without him.
Be fair. The guy has played 0 minutes with Schro/KCP/LBJ & AD. Judge him in the playoffs when there's practice time, etc.
With his skillset and productivity, my expectation for him is Dwight level of usefulness in last season's playoffs - meaning inconsistency but games here and there where he is extremely useful.
Which is exactly the role that Vogel has in mind for him. Vogel likes to start the game with a physicality and to beat teams up on the boards. Drummond is going to top out at 20 minutes because hes going to be playing super hard and will either foul out or be too gassed to go beyond that. Howard never played more than 20 minutes in a playoff game as well.
Realistic expectations for Drummond going into any given game for me is only 2 things.
1) Rebounding. We can expect this dude to grab boards consistently. Offensive boards that lead to points is what he's in there for - that's his bread and butter.
2) Being a BIG BODY. Which helps a little on defense to bother shots (although he's far from a rim protector) and setting screens (decent screen setter).
If I had to come up with a No. 3 it would be 'quick hands' as he is often involved in defensive deflections when the ball is exposed to him low.
Healthy Bron/AD will provide easy opportunities for easy shots and easy offensive rebound chances because of the gravity they provide. In other words, Bron and AD will help Drum be better in his (limited) role.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 11:57 am Post subject:
Kava wrote:
Realistic expectations for Drummond going into any given game for me is only 2 things.
1) Rebounding. We can expect this dude to grab boards consistently. Offensive boards that lead to points is what he's in there for - that's his bread and butter.
2) Being a BIG BODY. Which helps a little on defense to bother shots (although he's far from a rim protector) and setting screens (decent screen setter).
If I had to come up with a No. 3 it would be 'quick hands' as he is often involved in defensive deflections when the ball is exposed to him low.
Healthy Bron/AD will provide easy opportunities for easy shots and easy offensive rebound chances because of the gravity they provide. In other words, Bron and AD will help Drum be better in his (limited) role.
Why does everyone talk about how big Drummond is when he’s only 6’10? (Then again, so is Dwight.) Bynum and Shaq were 7’1. Pau was 7’0. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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