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LakerMindLA
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
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1995Lakers
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
Today he was a net positive for the Lakers. His positive plays and his presence easily trumped the negatives today |
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blackmamba08
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| He was OK, not more than that. His defensive errors are huge. You can see clearly he is out of sink with other players. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
15/12/2/1 and a +5 in just 24 minutes. Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too high? |
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BadGuy
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2021 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The play where he had three consecutive attempts to finish is exactly what he needs to bring. If he misses initially, just keep going after it! |
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lakersfan8
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| He played hard but he just doesn't have a good basketball IQ and that clearly showed on his plays |
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
15/12/2/1 and a +5 in just 24 minutes. Are you sure you aren't setting the bar too high? |
Replace Drummond's name with "Dwight Howard" and those saying he was barely passable would be going "INVALUABLE PIECE!!"
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King Randle
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
He played 10x better than Gasol...so please stop with your nonsense...you just hate the guy...so your takes on him are worthless. |
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King Randle
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| blackmamba08 wrote: | | He was OK, not more than that. His defensive errors are huge. You can see clearly he is out of sink with other players. |
Well if his defensive errors were huge than Gasol's were atrocious...how many times did guys go around Gasol? Payne had a field day in the paint against him. |
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1995Lakers
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Seriously I dont understand why its so hard for people to be objective without including their biases and wanting to push for their own narratives. There is no question that last night, Drummond vastly outplayed Gasol and generally I prefer Gasol over Drummond. But last night proved Gasol shouldnt play again period this series. They figured him out and figured him out quickly. Offensively and defensively, Drummond outplayed Gasol. |
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Vogel played it just right last night with running a Drummond/Gasol duo. However, I think we had Gasol on just a smidge too much and could have used Drummond instead.
Really liked his hustle and toughness last night. We just have to find a way to contain Ayton. It's not like he's making tough plays. Many are open dunks at the rim so we're not getting our coverages right.
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
He played 10x better than Gasol...so please stop with your nonsense...you just hate the guy...so your takes on him are worthless. |
Why it this a comparison between 2 Lakers? Why put one down to build up the other? It's not a choice between one or the other, it's a choice between Gasol and Trezz.
Drummond played fine, did how I hoped he would, played physical, made some mistakes but more than made up for his mistakes.
Gasol was as expected, spaced the floor, was vulnerable on P&R. We will need BOTH to keep winning. |
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King Randle
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
He played 10x better than Gasol...so please stop with your nonsense...you just hate the guy...so your takes on him are worthless. |
Why it this a comparison between 2 Lakers? Why put one down to build up the other? It's not a choice between one or the other, it's a choice between Gasol and Trezz.
Drummond played fine, did how I hoped he would, played physical, made some mistakes but more than made up for his mistakes.
Gasol was as expected, spaced the floor, was vulnerable on P&R. We will need BOTH to keep winning. |
I agree with this....I was disputing the poster said Drummond shouldn't play at all which is laughable. I think we learned though that Gasol can be efficient but for small minutes, maybe 5 minute spurts...because the PNR with Gasol defensively really hurt us. |
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| A great rebounding machine in his prime, but not a good scorer nor a good defender, man on man or help defense. No range, slow...... Have said that, he is a big body we need and give us a big and strong front court again which we had missed for almost the whole season. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | He played well tonight. |
The bar is so low. He wasn't awful tonight, but he still has so many bad plays on offense and defense.
The fact is that he hurts the team more than he helps. Lakers would be better off if he didn't play at all. |
He played 10x better than Gasol...so please stop with your nonsense...you just hate the guy...so your takes on him are worthless. |
Why it this a comparison between 2 Lakers? Why put one down to build up the other? It's not a choice between one or the other, it's a choice between Gasol and Trezz.
Drummond played fine, did how I hoped he would, played physical, made some mistakes but more than made up for his mistakes.
Gasol was as expected, spaced the floor, was vulnerable on P&R. We will need BOTH to keep winning. |
I agree with this....I was disputing the poster said Drummond shouldn't play at all which is laughable. I think we learned though that Gasol can be efficient but for small minutes, maybe 5 minute spurts...because the PNR with Gasol defensively really hurt us. |
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danzag
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| He played hard last night. But he has a lot of bad habits, specially on defense. Dude has never been correctly coached in his life, it seems. |
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LakersMD
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Don’t like him as a player but credit where credit is due - he did well last night.
Hopefully he keeps it up. |
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Andre was physical. That is a step in the right direction. Handy is working with him on not being teddy bear Andre. We have unleashed some of that potential. He has a lot of physicality in him, he has just been on so many bad teams where it is just about putting up numbers on offense that the defensive commitment and physicality was never there.
Not sure if it is here to stay, but if he remains aggressive on the glass, and being assertive in going to the rim, and just challenging shots, he will be an asset.
All those arguments about last year - no way last year team does not play Howard in this series. Ayton - is a perfect match up for a physical 5.That is what we want Andre and Marc to be with Ayton. And then we can switch to a dynamic and athletic AD at the 5 that will make Ayton work on the perimeter. |
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Vogel played it just right last night with running a Drummond/Gasol duo. However, I think we had Gasol on just a smidge too much and could have used Drummond instead.
Really liked his hustle and toughness last night. We just have to find a way to contain Ayton. It's not like he's making tough plays. Many are open dunks at the rim so we're not getting our coverages right. |
Agreed - if we saw what Dre provided last night in terms of how he worked with LBJ and AD on the floor consistently, I think many would say "re-sign him!"
I liked what he gave. Gasol played ok as well, but again showed the same issue v the Suns he did in preseason...they just love blowing by him with speed.
Regardless, if the Lakers play like they did last night and maybe be just slightly more consistent with the 3? They got this series.
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Andre was physical. That is a step in the right direction. Handy is working with him on not being teddy bear Andre. We have unleashed some of that potential. He has a lot of physicality in him, he has just been on so many bad teams where it is just about putting up numbers on offense that the defensive commitment and physicality was never there.
Not sure if it is here to stay, but if he remains aggressive on the glass, and being assertive in going to the rim, and just challenging shots, he will be an asset.
All those arguments about last year - no way last year team does not play Howard in this series. Ayton - is a perfect match up for a physical 5.That is what we want Andre and Marc to be with Ayton. And then we can switch to a dynamic and athletic AD at the 5 that will make Ayton work on the perimeter. |
Good points all around wolf.
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| Quote: | With Drummond on the floor in the playoffs, the Lakers have a 40% (!!!!!!) ORB% rate (Pelicans led the league this year with a 28.6% ORB% rate).
Say what you will about the value of rebounding in the modern game, but extra possessions are extra possessions. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | With Drummond on the floor in the playoffs, the Lakers have a 40% (!!!!!!) ORB% rate (Pelicans led the league this year with a 28.6% ORB% rate).
Say what you will about the value of rebounding in the modern game, but extra possessions are extra possessions. |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| King Randle wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | With Drummond on the floor in the playoffs, the Lakers have a 40% (!!!!!!) ORB% rate (Pelicans led the league this year with a 28.6% ORB% rate).
Say what you will about the value of rebounding in the modern game, but extra possessions are extra possessions. |
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If he can stay on the floor for us in the Finals. I think he can really tap into Brooklyn's fatal flaw. The boards.
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Some of the Ayton success is actually the success the Phoenix guards have had penetrating. Help the helper is less effective when the dish is to an athletic big. If you’re too small or just a second late, they score.
Drummond shows pretty well and I expect our rotations to improve as the series goes on. More familiarity with their offense brings quicker reads. |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| We need him on this series. Suns have an advantage with Ayton but Drummond is our better matchup and minimize AD until down the stretch. |
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