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Laker7
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 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:45 am Post subject: Offensive and defensive rating per individual player |
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https://www.nbastuffer.com/2020-2021-nba-player-stats/
Select Lakers at the team.
FULL NAME Offensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions)
Montrezl Harrell 126.6
Alfonzo McKinnie 124.1
Ben McLemore 116
LeBron James 114.7
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 112.4
Anthony Davis 111.9
Marc Gasol 110.9
Dennis Schroder 107.5
Alex Caruso 106.8
Kyle Kuzma 103.4
Markieff Morris 102.8
Wesley Matthews 102.7
Talen Horton-Tucker 101.7
Andre Drummond 101.4
FULL NAME Defensive Rating (points given up individually per 100 possessions)
Andre Drummond 88
Marc Gasol 97.1
Ben McLemore 97.9
Talen Horton-Tucker 98.8
Alex Caruso 99.6
Markieff Morris 100.4
Montrezl Harrell 100.6
Alfonzo McKinnie 100.6
Dennis Schroder 102.2
Anthony Davis 102.4
LeBron James 103.2
Kyle Kuzma 103.7
Wesley Matthews 104.1
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 105.2
Notes:
In KCP's defense, Vogel has said that KCP normally gets to guard the opponents best offensive guard.
Was shocked at how good McLemore's defensive numbers were given his reputation.
Given Matthews numbers it is easy to see why he has been out of the rotation lately.
What are your thoughts?
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| THT defense, OKAY!!! +2.9 too!!! |
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lakerican
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Conclusion :
Trezz is better defender than KCP, Wesley, Kuz, Bron & AD.
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| so trezz has the highest net rating? lol |
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King Randle
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Interesting numbers.....don't know if they mean much going forward. One thing for sure, Vogel has to tighten his rotation....too many playing right now.
Come play-off time rotation should look like this:
LeBron
AD
Drummond
KCP
Schroder
Kuz
Harrell
THT
Caruso
Kief
McLemore
That's it. Gasol and Matthews should be out of the rotation. Gasol possibly if they match up with Jokic and maybe the Jazz...but he's worthless against Phoenix, Dallas, Clips. Portland possibly. Wes should be out period. |
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This is why these aggregate stats can get very weird. KCP is one of our best defenders and his defensive ratings on this have him as our worst.
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| King Randle wrote: | Interesting numbers.....don't know if they mean much going forward. One thing for sure, Vogel has to tighten his rotation....too many playing right now.
Come play-off time rotation should look like this:
LeBron
AD
Drummond
KCP
Schroder
Kuz
Harrell
THT
Caruso
Kief
McLemore
That's it. Gasol and Matthews should be out of the rotation. Gasol possibly if they match up with Jokic and maybe the Jazz...but he's worthless against Phoenix, Dallas, Clips. Portland possibly. Wes should be out period. |
Agreed although Kief is slipping lately. He may need to come out also.
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Playoff rotation should be without Kief anyway, outside of emergency.
Starters:
Dennis Schroeder
KCP
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Andre Drummond
Bench:
Alex Caruso
THT / Mclemore
Kyle Kuzma
Montrezl Harrell
Marc Gasol
There's what should be the playoff rotation. Kief can hit threes, but so can Gasol, and Gasol is a better defender and passer that can contribute to running the offense when LeBron isn't out there. Can't say the same for Kief.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| so the pages and pages....and pages of trezz hate isnt valid? |
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leking006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Offensive and defensive rating per individual player |
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| Laker7 wrote: | https://www.nbastuffer.com/2020-2021-nba-player-stats/
Select Lakers at the team.
FULL NAME Offensive Rating (points scored per 100 possessions)
Montrezl Harrell 126.6
Alfonzo McKinnie 124.1
Ben McLemore 116
LeBron James 114.7
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 112.4
Anthony Davis 111.9
Marc Gasol 110.9
Dennis Schroder 107.5
Alex Caruso 106.8
Kyle Kuzma 103.4
Markieff Morris 102.8
Wesley Matthews 102.7
Talen Horton-Tucker 101.7
Andre Drummond 101.4
FULL NAME Defensive Rating (points given up individually per 100 possessions)
Andre Drummond 88
Marc Gasol 97.1
Ben McLemore 97.9
Talen Horton-Tucker 98.8
Alex Caruso 99.6
Markieff Morris 100.4
Montrezl Harrell 100.6
Alfonzo McKinnie 100.6
Dennis Schroder 102.2
Anthony Davis 102.4
LeBron James 103.2
Kyle Kuzma 103.7
Wesley Matthews 104.1
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 105.2
Notes:
In KCP's defense, Vogel has said that KCP normally gets to guard the opponents best offensive guard.
Was shocked at how good McLemore's defensive numbers were given his reputation.
Given Matthews numbers it is easy to see why he has been out of the rotation lately.
What are your thoughts? |
In eye test, Matthews is doing a good job, it's just unlucky for him that theu are using him as PF sometimes for Harrell. Or sometimes as SF for Harrell/Markieff frontcourt. I think with Lebron he's def rating is higher.
I think defensive rating is not a good indicator of individual defense. It defends on who's with you on the court. If you are playing with 2 guys who dont defend, your defenaive rating will take a hit too.
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202083/defense-dash/
He's actually defending well base on that tracker.
He limit 36% 3pt shooting to just 31%
Though he struggled defending the 2, but still limit it to he's assignment average % which is 51%. Maybe because he is sometimes assigned to players bigget than him as he is playing PF sometimes with Harrell @ C. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
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| danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
agree but hopefully the eyes arent bias. I have been in games threads where people will clown a player when the player is actually ballin. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
agree but hopefully the eyes arent bias. I have been in games threads where people will clown a player when the player is actually ballin. |
If you are referring to Harrell. Sure he was ballin on one side of the floor.
He got better as the game went along and stayed in front of guys a little better, but there was a reason the Orlando offense was all to hunt Harrell.
And no bias, Drummond was not good himself. He made a few mistakes, but for him it’s only been a handful of games. If he (bleep) up in the playoffs on the defensive end like Harrell, I’m sure GDTs will criticize his play and it will be warranted.
I believe for most this isn’t personal. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
agree but hopefully the eyes arent bias. I have been in games threads where people will clown a player when the player is actually ballin. |
If you are referring to Harrell. Sure he was ballin on one side of the floor.
He got better as the game went along and stayed in front of guys a little better, but there was a reason the Orlando offense was all to hunt Harrell.
And no bias, Drummond was not good himself. He made a few mistakes, but for him it’s only been a handful of games. If he (bleep) up in the playoffs on the defensive end like Harrell, I’m sure GDTs will criticize his play and it will be warranted.
I believe for most this isn’t personal. |
my comment wasnt regarding one game. but whatever. The reality is every player has strengths and weaknesses. Our D when healthy was #1. When we lost our two stars we treaded water thanks to guys like Trezz, DS etc. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
agree but hopefully the eyes arent bias. I have been in games threads where people will clown a player when the player is actually ballin. |
If you are referring to Harrell. Sure he was ballin on one side of the floor.
He got better as the game went along and stayed in front of guys a little better, but there was a reason the Orlando offense was all to hunt Harrell.
And no bias, Drummond was not good himself. He made a few mistakes, but for him it’s only been a handful of games. If he (bleep) up in the playoffs on the defensive end like Harrell, I’m sure GDTs will criticize his play and it will be warranted.
I believe for most this isn’t personal. |
my comment wasnt regarding one game. but whatever. The reality is every player has strengths and weaknesses. Our D when healthy was #1. When we lost our two stars we treaded water thanks to guys like Trezz, DS etc. |
I know what you are saying. Just pointing out that for the most part, the criticism is valid.
And for treading water, I partially agree. I was expecting more. The wins were all against either lottery teams or teams missing even more players. |
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| danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
Eye test will tell you that so far Matthews has been respectable defensively on his assignments. The eye test will also tell you that Matthews is a major liability on offense, and cannot be relied upon to hit open 3 point shots in a big game or pressure situation. Matthews should only be used as a defensive specialist. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
agree but hopefully the eyes arent bias. I have been in games threads where people will clown a player when the player is actually ballin. |
Everything always boils down to whose eyes and which data. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Time to play Harrel, McKinnie, and McLemore 40 minutes a game. |
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There will be slight differences between them, but across the board, they should be relatively similar csgokingdom. If one sit has wildly different odds, whether they are better or worse, there is probably something wrong with the site in question.
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| vcdplaya3002 wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | That's why you have to watch the games. Numbers don't tell the whole story |
Eye test will tell you that so far Matthews has been respectable defensively on his assignments. The eye test will also tell you that Matthews is a major liability on offense, and cannot be relied upon to hit open 3 point shots in a big game or pressure situation. Matthews should only be used as a defensive specialist. |
Agree to that, he can't even hit an open 3 consistently. |
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