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Kava Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Playoff Rotations |
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Vogel's got some important decisions to make.
Assuming all our guys are healthy and ready to play in the playoffs, where does everyone fit in terms of playoff minutes & rotations?
This season's most common starting lineup (DS, KCP, LBJ, AD, Marc) lasted only for 20 games! The next most common starting lineup (DS, KCP, LBJ, Keif, D. Jones ) lasted for only 4!!!
Insane to think that our assumed playoff starters have NEVER all been on the court together (DS, KCP, LBJ, AD, AD2). Is this correct???
Assuming Vogel shortens the rotations who is in and who is out? |
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Kava Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Closing lineup still has to end with AD as our 5 right?
DS, KCP, Wes/Kuz, LBJ, AD |
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vcdplaya3002 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:39 am Post subject: |
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One thing the last few games have highlighted is that Vogel cannot trust Mclemore, THT, Drummond, Trezz in any crunch time scenarios as all 4 have serious deficiencies on defense or make boneheaded turnovers. |
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quartzcharm Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:47 am Post subject: |
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In a 9 man rotation: DS, KCP, LBJ, AD1, AD2, AC, Kuz, Harrell, and Gasol.
To close the game: DS, KCP, Kuz, LBJ, AD1. |
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vcdplaya3002 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Wesley Matthews is going to get minutes, I think THT is the odd man out. |
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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Close the game with DS, KCP, LJ, Davis and tossup between Wes/Caruso based on matchups. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Matchup based, but the best closing lineup for the Lakers is DS/AC/KCP/Lebron/AD.
If it’s against the Clippers, one of Kuz or Wes will be in because the Clippers have 2 wings that would eat up a 3 guard lineup. |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Matchup based, but the best closing lineup for the Lakers is DS/AC/KCP/Lebron/AD.
If it’s against the Clippers, one of Kuz or Wes will be in because the Clippers have 2 wings that would eat up a 3 guard lineup. |
if it comes down to defense, Wes should be in before Kuz |
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Mamba Mentality Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:16 am Post subject: |
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mad55557777 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Matchup based, but the best closing lineup for the Lakers is DS/AC/KCP/Lebron/AD.
If it’s against the Clippers, one of Kuz or Wes will be in because the Clippers have 2 wings that would eat up a 3 guard lineup. |
if it comes down to defense, Wes should be in before Kuz |
That closing lineup is a killer one defensively! And I agree, Wes > Kuz for defense _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Kava Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately - THT and Keiff and Marc (unless we play Denver) are the odd men out.
Caruso is a more reliable & better defending back up PG.
Wes should get minutes as backup SG.
Trezz comes in for AD2.
Kuz backs up LBJ.
BMac could see some limited minutes to stretch the floor.
Just not seeing where THT/Keif/Marc get much playing time unless 2nd rotation gets into foul trouble. |
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vcdplaya3002 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Kieff and Marc can only get minutes if a team is going primarily small ball(Clippers/Suns), or if they are beefy up front(Denver/Utah). Mclemore will get limited 2nd quarter minutes to see if he can get hot from three.
Vogel usually likes to run a lineup of Bron,Caruso,THT or Mclemore, Kuzma, and Trezz to start the 2nd quarter. Mclemore has a role if he can hit 3s otherwise he can't play anywhere else in the game.
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BandwagonLBJhopper Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't trust Kuz not to do dumb ish at the end of games but we will need him to close against teams with bigger wings.
The real question for Vogel will be in the backcourt. He trusts Caruso (as he should) so I bet his instinct will be to close with Caruso, but then you are stuck playing two small guards with DS - both are great defenders but that doesn't work against the Clips. It works great for Utah, Phx, Den, but it doesn't fly for the Clips.
I think against the Clips and maybe the Nets, you will see Vogel have to go with Wes Matthews because for all his flaws, the guy has a high IQ and will never get punked out there - defensively he is rock solid and he can stay on the floor offensively since he is a 3pt threat. |
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Kava Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Kuz just hit a game winner for us in crunch time. I think he's built some equity.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see Caruso instead of DS & Wes instead of Kuz in late game lineups. |
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youcantguardme Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Play the bench players that are hot or that match up better. The idea that you can leave, Keif, Trez, McLemore, THT, Gasol or Matthews out is crazy. But if you had to THT is the first guy out because of decision making. I actually think Matthews and McLemore may need a bit more time in games where KCP can't hit a shot. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Kava wrote: | Unfortunately - THT and Keiff and Marc (unless we play Denver) are the odd men out.
Caruso is a more reliable & better defending back up PG.
Wes should get minutes as backup SG.
Trezz comes in for AD2.
Kuz backs up LBJ.
BMac could see some limited minutes to stretch the floor.
Just not seeing where THT/Keif/Marc get much playing time unless 2nd rotation gets into foul trouble. |
What? You still want Trezz @ C? |
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Laker4lifer4real Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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THT comes in as a spark in the 2nd quarter like he has all season before injuries. |
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Lakesh0wtime Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 12:43 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Matchup based, but the best closing lineup for the Lakers is DS/AC/KCP/Lebron/AD.
If it’s against the Clippers, one of Kuz or Wes will be in because the Clippers have 2 wings that would eat up a 3 guard lineup. |
Agree.
I do think Kieff gets minutes as well. |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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This team is too deep now with all the guys coming back from injury. On top of that, marginal guys like Wes, Bmac, THT, Marc all have been playing very well. We can’t play 12 man rotation, so it will be up to Vogel to decide who plays. |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Kuz, AC and KCP are playoff vets. We can trust those guys. Maybe THT or Mac out? _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024 |
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blackmamba08 Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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For me it should be like this:
Starting 5
LBJ
AD
AD
DS
KCP
Bench
Caruso
Kuzma
Trez
Marc
Markieff
I still dont trust THT in playoff games and Ben is atrocious defensively.Wes is crap player at this moment in time. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Warriors, you probably want to take advantage of their lack of defensive ability inside. I think Warriors will zone, so we need to have Bron playing very high IQ basketball and AD to be right in the middle of the spacing at the FT line area, IMO. If Warriors zone heavy, we need to get AD at the 5, and also get Marc Gasol in as his backup. If Warriors play man, we can probably just use Drummond and AD to beat them up inside.
If we play with a level of urgency, our size and skill is enough. Even without Bron at full speed. We are so much bigger and more skilled than these other teams, that we simply have to play with a level of urgency and it is enough. Rebounds, defensive stops, pushing the ball.
3 pointers will come simply by teams wanting to zone or double on AD-Bron or our size.
Toughest call against Warriors will be Trez. I wonder if Trez gets some PT over Gasol. Because historically he is like an all-star against them. But I think Warriors will zone. Again, the IQ of Bron will come into play. Bron's game management has to kick in immediately. |
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Sina Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Lakers are very deep and versatile this year.
The front court are big, deep and versatile. They almost can out-rebound, out-score any front court in the league:
Drummon, AD, LBJ are simply too big and too strong to handle
Gasol, AD, LBJ are big, smart and spacing option
Harrell, AD, LBJ are scoring option
AD, Morris, LBJ are balance option
AD, Kuzma, LBJ are uptempo option
The backcourt are deep and versatile and are good in defense
KCP, AC, Matthews are smart and seasoned players make no mistakes
Schroder and THT are good scoring guards
McLemore is good shooter and McKinnie is under the radar |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Please sit Harrell's ass than playing him @ center spot. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:57 am Post subject: |
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As expected, things aren't looking very good for THT, Harrell and Drummond.
Gasol, Matthews and Morris should play more. |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Drummond looked fine. Most of the people disappointed in him expected something different than what he is supposed to bring to this team. He played fine within his role, although there is definitely room to improve. He will continue to start for us until the situation demands otherwise (like game 6 of finals last year).
Im seeing this rotation for us:
Schröder
Pope
James
Davis
Drummond
Caruso
Matthews
Kuzma
Harrell/Morris/Gasol - depends on matchup
Tucker/McLemore - spot minutes/foul trouble |
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