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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:29 pm    Post subject:

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I don't have a notion about anything. It's not something I give thought to. My position is how people think is conjucture. I don't know.


So, while stating that you don't have a notion about anything and acceding you don't give thought to the subject at hand, you then go on to speculate that others, who have given it some thought are merely engaging in conjecture . . . unbelievable.



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I'm saying if I were to say how people think it would be conjuncter.


Except the record shows otherwise. You pointedly and inappropriately called out Halflife for stating a very reasonable theory about how the religious would respond to the revelation that alien life existed and and had visited this planet:

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You're speaking for millions, millions you know nothing about. What gives you that authority?

You don't know what the people of whom you speak really believe, you're assuming and you know what assume does, makes an Ass out of U and ME


Key phrase "reasonable theory." Isn't that conjecture?

Your willingness to contort yourself in order to make many failed attempts to avoid admitting that you have repeatedly contradict yourself is unfortunate.

Where's the contortion? Isn't a reasonable theory conjecture.


Your self-contradiction resides in the quote tree above. Whether you are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that is your issue to resolve for yourself.
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Isn't religion one big assumption that god exists despite no supporting evidence? Isn't one of the tenants of relgion is that humanity is special, more specifically people that follow that religion. You don't think that if somehow we were visited by intelligent aliens it would completely invalidate the core doctrine of pretty much every religion?


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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Don't those heavens include the unknown universe?

I think religious people would believe that aliens would be one of Gods creations. I don't know, I think


Then why do they not feel the same about dinosaurs? If they view the prior existence of those as a threat to their idea of God's creation, it's pretty obvious the concept of alien existence would be a greater threat to that.


Why would they feel the prior existence of dinosaurs a threat to their idea of God? If I were to wager a guess, I'd guess they think dinosaurs are one of God's creations same as the would aliens being one.


A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your lack of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."


I haven't called anybody out for expressing their thoughts unless those thoughts were expressed as a matter of fact.


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I'm arguing from the premise of we don't know. We don't know if there's intelligent life in the universe or not. We don't know if aliens exist or not. I'm not in a position to speak for millions of people I don't know. How do you? How you arrive at a definite conclusion of how millions feel to me is an assumption, you don't know. I understand it might rattle the ideals. I'll concede that.
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your [i]lack of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.[/i]

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."


I haven't called anybody out for expressing their thoughts unless those thoughts were expressed as a matter of fact.


OK, so your admitted conjecture is fine, but if anyone else expresses something you view as conjecture then there's a problem . . . got it.
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DaMuleRules wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your [i]lack of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.[/i]

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."


I haven't called anybody out for expressing their thoughts unless those thoughts were expressed as a matter of fact.


OK, so your admitted conjecture is fine, but if anyone else expresses something you view as conjecture then there's a problem . . . got it.


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My point is that millions of people believe in religion but would scoff at the thought of aliens being real. because if they believe aliens are real it kills the idea that we were created in gods image.


Unless I'm misinterpreting, that's a statement of fact.
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jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your [i]lack of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.[/i]

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."


I haven't called anybody out for expressing their thoughts unless those thoughts were expressed as a matter of fact.


OK, so your admitted conjecture is fine, but if anyone else expresses something you view as conjecture then there's a problem . . . got it.


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My point is that millions of people believe in religion but would scoff at the thought of aliens being real. because if they believe aliens are real it kills the idea that we were created in gods image.


Unless I'm misinterpreting, that's a statement of fact.


That's not all you are misunderstanding. So maybe rather than looking to challenge others while repeatedly admitting your own lack of knowledge, you should just take a breath and accept someone is making a valid point.

Though I'm sure you'll just label in "conjecture" rather than accept it as reasoned thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:36 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
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DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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A lot of Christians believe that the dinosaurs were “abominations” created by the wicked people that precipitated the great flood. Noah didn’t take any on the ark and thus they all died in the flood, which managed to bury them in multiple strange sediment levels before the water magically disappeared.


I didn't know that. I was raised a Christian. That wasn't in the teachings. That's news to me. I don't study religion.


You keep admitting your [i]lack of knowledge, yet you insist on calling out others for expressing their knowledgeable thoughts.[/i]

Perhaps it's time to sit back and listen Mr. "In a world where admitting to not knowing something is consider a great way to learn."


I haven't called anybody out for expressing their thoughts unless those thoughts were expressed as a matter of fact.


OK, so your admitted conjecture is fine, but if anyone else expresses something you view as conjecture then there's a problem . . . got it.


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My point is that millions of people believe in religion but would scoff at the thought of aliens being real. because if they believe aliens are real it kills the idea that we were created in gods image.


Unless I'm misinterpreting, that's a statement of fact.


That's not all you are misunderstanding. So maybe rather than looking to challenge others while repeatedly admitting your own lack of knowledge, you should just take a breath and accept someone is making a valid point.

Though I'm sure you'll just label in "conjecture" rather than accept it as reasoned thought.

I haven't challenged anyone. You're saying I'm challenging them, not me. Yes I'll lable some thoughts conjecture.

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A conjecture is a mathematical statement that has not yet been rigorously proved. Conjectures arise when one notices a pattern that holds true for many cases. However, just because a pattern holds true for many cases does not mean that the pattern will hold true for all cases.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:14 pm    Post subject:

The last few pages just feels like Jodeke is playing one huge semantics game.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:07 pm    Post subject:

I’ve met religious people that already believe in aliens. Some of you would be surprised. Some even believe that aliens have visited this planet and they talk about UFO reports, sightings, etc.

And I think only a small percentage give a (bleep) about dinosaurs and Noah’s Ark.

Religion has been here for thousands of years. I don’t think it’s going away if aliens happen to show up. Some will probably say it’s a test of faith. And this idea of what aliens showing up would imply is a topic that religious have already been grappling with for a while now. People aren’t going to stop believing in Jesus or Muhammad because some little green men happen to show up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:13 pm    Post subject:

'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.'

- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:41 pm    Post subject:

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'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.
- Neil deGrasse Tyson



Venus is earth like. This excerpt allows the planet is close in composition to earth. If there's life there it may emulate life on earth.

It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.

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Venus is often named as Earth's twin because both worlds share a similar size, surface composition and have an atmosphere with a complex weather system. Both planets have almost the same size and density and Venus is only a 30% closer to the Sun than Earth.
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jodeke wrote:
Halflife wrote:
'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.
- Neil deGrasse Tyson



Venus is earth like. This excerpt allows the planet is close in composition to earth. If there's life there it may emulate life on earth.

It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.

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Venus is often named as Earth's twin because both worlds share a similar size, surface composition and have an atmosphere with a complex weather system. Both planets have almost the same size and density and Venus is only a 30% closer to the Sun than Earth.
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If there were any significant life forms there, we would certainly know that, particularly if it were emulating life as it exists here.

And this a perfect example of how astronomical the odds are that intelligent life is out there somewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:04 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Halflife wrote:
'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.
- Neil deGrasse Tyson



Venus is earth like. This excerpt allows the planet is close in composition to earth. If there's life there it may emulate life on earth.

It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.

Quote:
Venus is often named as Earth's twin because both worlds share a similar size, surface composition and have an atmosphere with a complex weather system. Both planets have almost the same size and density and Venus is only a 30% closer to the Sun than Earth.
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If there were any significant life forms there, we would certainly know that, particularly if it were emulating life as it exists here.

And this a perfect example of how astronomical the odds are that intelligent life is out there somewhere.

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It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:17 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
Halflife wrote:
'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.
- Neil deGrasse Tyson



Venus is earth like. This excerpt allows the planet is close in composition to earth. If there's life there it may emulate life on earth.

It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.

Quote:
Venus is often named as Earth's twin because both worlds share a similar size, surface composition and have an atmosphere with a complex weather system. Both planets have almost the same size and density and Venus is only a 30% closer to the Sun than Earth.
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Ummm....the surface temperature of Venus averages right around 850 degrees F, which is hot enough to melt lead. Let's not get carried away with the "twin" analogy.
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LarryCoon wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Halflife wrote:
'A space alien with no DNA in common with life on Earth should look more different from life on Earth than **any** two life forms on Earth look from each other.
- Neil deGrasse Tyson



Venus is earth like. This excerpt allows the planet is close in composition to earth. If there's life there it may emulate life on earth.

It's 30 percent closer to the sun if it's inhabited its inhabitants may have a brown hue instead of green.

Quote:
Venus is often named as Earth's twin because both worlds share a similar size, surface composition and have an atmosphere with a complex weather system. Both planets have almost the same size and density and Venus is only a 30% closer to the Sun than Earth.
...


Ummm....the surface temperature of Venus averages right around 850 degrees F, which is hot enough to melt lead. Let's not get carried away with the "twin" analogy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:16 am    Post subject:

So out of the 144 sightings the government could only explain 1. Most knew the report would contain little info. However, them not ruling out alien life is a huge step.

We can no longer assume we are alone.
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So out of the 144 sightings the government could only explain 1. Most knew the report would contain little info. However, them not ruling out alien life is a huge step.

We can no longer assume we are alone.


It's a huge leap of unsupportable logic to go from not ruling out the possibility of alien visitation to it must therefor exist.
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So out of the 144 sightings the government could only explain 1. Most knew the report would contain little info. However, them not ruling out alien life is a huge step.

We can no longer assume we are alone.


It's a huge leap of unsupportable logic to go from not ruling out the possibility of alien visitation to it must therefor exist.

They said they can’t rule it out.
Aliens are either way behind us or way ahead of us. The fact that we can’t do with our ships what they did with there’s probably means they are way ahead of us. It’s exciting.
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So out of the 144 sightings the government could only explain 1. Most knew the report would contain little info. However, them not ruling out alien life is a huge step.

We can no longer assume we are alone.


It's a huge leap of unsupportable logic to go from not ruling out the possibility of alien visitation to it must therefor exist.

They said they can’t rule it out.
Aliens are either way behind us or way ahead of us. The fact that we can’t do with our ships what they did with there’s probably means they are way ahead of us. It’s exciting.


Alien ships (UFOs) a probability. Alien life highly likely.
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Doesn't this evidence, and the admission of such evidence, create one of two possible conclusions, either -

(a) an corporate or public entity on this planet has technology decades, if not centuries, more advanced than anything we are currently aware of, while choosing not to use that technology (nor even the foundation upon which it is built) openly for either its public or private gain.

(b) There is another civilization we are not aware of - whether subterranean, subnautic or alien - which has intentionally kept itself hidden while possessing technology that is decades, if not centuries, ahead of our own.

(c) All this (bleep) is made up and our government has somehow been tricked.

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I cannot think of a logical explanation behind option (a). Given either a profit motive or a political one, it would seem to make little sense for the technology not be revealed. Without a doubt, there is a lot of technology out there that the public is not aware of (from what I am aware just hearing about things in the legal work from IP lawyers, there is stuff that has been invented and is being tested that would blow your mind), but you would still expect at least the foundational technology (the first stuff that was built that eventually led to the technology that, in sum, allowed these UFOs to exist), would be disclosed and used in some way. Making no mention of the political or financial incentives to dominate either the private sector or this planet, you don't just go from our current jet propelled aircrafts to that stuff without some of the technology that lies in the middle being dripped out to the public. That would be like going from the a horse and buggie to a space shuttle without ever being told of steam engines, automobiles or airplanes. The stuff in the middle comes out first.

As such, (b) seems to a more logical explanation to me. although, I suppose (c) is possible somehow. Half the (bleep) illusionists do I can't explain.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:43 pm    Post subject:

That's a false dichotomy --- er, trichotomy (and you can't say there are one of two possible conclusions and then give us three conclusions).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:21 pm    Post subject:

George Costanza: It's not a lie if you believe it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:49 pm    Post subject:

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That's a false dichotomy --- er, trichotomy (and you can't say there are one of two possible conclusions and then give us three conclusions).


Lol, yes... three options. Name a fourth.thats not encompassed by the first 3?
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