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Buddy Hield over the last 5 seasons:
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
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logical24
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| MJST wrote: | | If we trade Hield for Kuzma straight up that's solid. |
Cant Kuz makes 13m buddy makes 23m |
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | Buddy Hield over the last 5 seasons:
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155) |
Defense is his only concern |
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KingKobe20
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| My prediction is the Kings will ask for too much trying hard to fleece us and no deal gets made. |
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Mark10 45
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | My prediction is the Kings will ask for too much trying hard to fleece us and no deal gets made. |
If Trez doesn't mind going to SAC, and SAC likes him.. Kuz+Trez for Hield is a fair deal |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| logical24 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If we trade Hield for Kuzma straight up that's solid. |
Cant Kuz makes 13m buddy makes 23m |
decided to just give it a try here
https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine
For some reason it goes right through 
| KingKobe20 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Buddy Hield over the last 5 seasons:
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155) |
Defense is his only concern |
Anthony Davis would be waiting.
| Mark10 45 wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | | My prediction is the Kings will ask for too much trying hard to fleece us and no deal gets made. |
If Trez doesn't mind going to SAC, and SAC likes him.. Kuz+Trez for Hield is a fair deal |
That'd be giving up too much.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | My prediction is the Kings will ask for too much trying hard to fleece us and no deal gets made. |
Good for them, they can continue sucking.
Apparently these teams never learn that putting emotion into it just to spite the Lakers doesn’t work…still got the 2020 chip.
They should learn from the Pacers and Spurs, but they won’t and will continue to fail. |
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Mark10 45
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | If we trade Hield for Kuzma straight up that's solid. |
Cant Kuz makes 13m buddy makes 23m |
decided to just give it a try here
https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine
For some reason it goes right through
| KingKobe20 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Buddy Hield over the last 5 seasons:
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155) |
Defense is his only concern |
Anthony Davis would be waiting.
| Mark10 45 wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | | My prediction is the Kings will ask for too much trying hard to fleece us and no deal gets made. |
If Trez doesn't mind going to SAC, and SAC likes him.. Kuz+Trez for Hield is a fair deal |
That'd be giving up too much. |
Trez is a luxury to be able to throw into any trade. And he wouldn't re-sign if we weren't going to trade him where he wants to go |
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If Trez signed off on a deal to Sacramento a Kuz/Trez for Hield deal would be good value for both sides. Walton gets a favorite in Kuz and Trez saves them from spending a mint on Holmes while giving Bagley time to grow into a starter. The Lakers get space for their stars and Hield brings more playmaking than Pope.
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Nope. If we're packaging a 6th man of the year talent with Kuzma then the Kings need to give us more than just Hield.
They'd have to throw in Bagley to make that a fair trade.
They'd have to throw in Marvin Bagley III or Delon Wright. Or heck give us both.
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Delon Wright
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Montrezl Harrell
Alex Caruso
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Just make it easy
Trez + Kuz for Hield
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Nope. If we're packaging a 6th man of the year talent with Kuzma then the Kings need to give us more than just Hield.
They'd have to throw in Bagley to make that a fair trade.
They'd have to throw in Marvin Bagley III or Delon Wright. Or heck give us both.
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Marvin Bagley III
Delon Wright
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| epic_ wrote: | Just make it easy
Trez + Kuz for Hield |
middle ground, Trez+Kuz for Hield+pick |
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I would think the Kings would take Trez over what it might cost to get Holmes.
If Trez did a 3 year sign and trade at $11M maybe the Kings throw in a pick.
But I'm not sure they do for a year of Trez. (Of course all contingent on Trez opting in and/or agreeing to a sign and trade.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Nope. If we're packaging a 6th man of the year talent with Kuzma then the Kings need to give us more than just Hield.
They'd have to throw in Bagley to make that a fair trade.
They'd have to throw in Marvin Bagley III or Delon Wright. Or heck give us both.
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Marvin Bagley III
Delon Wright
Kings
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Montrezl Harrell
Alex Caruso |
| epic_ wrote: | Just make it easy
Trez + Kuz for Hield |
middle ground, Trez+Kuz for Hield+pick |
Somehow I doubt there will be any middle ground. The entire league knows the Lakers are desperate to add to the team before James declines and the seasons become glorified retirement tours.
Expect a lopsided trade with any team. Likely losing #22 or THT in the process. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | governator wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Nope. If we're packaging a 6th man of the year talent with Kuzma then the Kings need to give us more than just Hield.
They'd have to throw in Bagley to make that a fair trade.
They'd have to throw in Marvin Bagley III or Delon Wright. Or heck give us both.
Lakers
Buddy Hield
Marvin Bagley III
Delon Wright
Kings
Kyle Kuzma
Montrezl Harrell
Alex Caruso |
| epic_ wrote: | Just make it easy
Trez + Kuz for Hield |
middle ground, Trez+Kuz for Hield+pick |
Somehow I doubt there will be any middle ground. The entire league knows the Lakers are desperate to add to the team before James declines and the seasons become glorified retirement tours.
Expect a lopsided trade with any team. Likely losing #22 or THT in the process. |
entire league also knows that Kings are desperate
to get into playoffs,
to pay Richaun Holmens and
need mins for T Haliburton.
Vivek has mandate for the kings to make playoffs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | governator wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Nope. If we're packaging a 6th man of the year talent with Kuzma then the Kings need to give us more than just Hield.
They'd have to throw in Bagley to make that a fair trade.
They'd have to throw in Marvin Bagley III or Delon Wright. Or heck give us both.
Lakers
Buddy Hield
Marvin Bagley III
Delon Wright
Kings
Kyle Kuzma
Montrezl Harrell
Alex Caruso |
| epic_ wrote: | Just make it easy
Trez + Kuz for Hield |
middle ground, Trez+Kuz for Hield+pick |
Somehow I doubt there will be any middle ground. The entire league knows the Lakers are desperate to add to the team before James declines and the seasons become glorified retirement tours.
Expect a lopsided trade with any team. Likely losing #22 or THT in the process. |
there are so many desperate teams nowadays.
All of the cusp teams need to add that "needed piece". Championship caliber teams nee to rearrange deck chairs. |
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| I don’t think fans understand the lack of defense that Hield has. Good scorer but will that fly for Vogel? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I don’t think fans understand the lack of defense that Hield has. Good scorer but will that fly for Vogel? |
When you have a shooter of his caliber you make accomodations, plus players will look TOTALLY different on defense when playing with a different team. |
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | Why would Sacramento want Kuzma instead of Hield? Surely they must also want our pick and/or THT… |
Hield got benched and Hield makes more money? |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Why would Sacramento want Kuzma instead of Hield? Surely they must also want our pick and/or THT… |
Hield got benched and Hield makes more money? |
Kings might like Kuzma’s versatility on defense, he can also give them nice offense on a team that is rebuilding.. we are potentially doing this trade because we were stinking it up from the 3pt line this year and even when we won the title we were still horrid from the 3pt line, It’s a beneficial trade for both teams.
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | Why would Sacramento want Kuzma instead of Hield? Surely they must also want our pick and/or THT… |
My sense is the Lakers want Hield more than the Kings want Kuzma.
What else we'd have to throw into the deal to make the Kings go for it is anyone's guess.
It's also anyone's question if there is actually anything of substance to this rumor. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Why would Sacramento want Kuzma instead of Hield? Surely they must also want our pick and/or THT… |
My sense is the Lakers want Hield more than the Kings want Kuzma.
What else we'd have to throw into the deal to make the Kings go for it is anyone's guess.
It's also anyone's question if there is actually anything of substance to this rumor. |
If you know Shams you would know he doesn’t throw baseless stuff on the wall. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I don’t think fans understand the lack of defense that Hield has. Good scorer but will that fly for Vogel? |
He likely doesn’t have the choice if it is what Lebron wants. Trading Kuzma for Hield wouldn’t suck, bringing in Hield and Westbrook would.
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Been saying Hield is the most realistic splashy trade that we could pull off this off season. Hield is a legit top-tier 3pt shot maker who can generate a lot of gravity, and he's not a stationary shooter like DG or KCP.
If Trez opts in, I'd expand that trade to include Delon Wright.
Kuz+KCP+Trez+pick(if necessary) for Hield and Delon Wright.
I've wanted Delon since last season's trade deadline. He's a tall combo guard who can defend as good if not better than KCP but he can handle the ball and playmake unlike KCP. Plus he's on a cheap contract, only 8.5M. He doesn't penetrate as often as a Westbrook or Dennis but he does it well enough. He shot 37% from 3 last season which is pretty decent. A career 35% shooter, same as KCP.
Delon Wright:
DBPM: +1.3
BPM: +2.0
Deflections: 3.0 (AD 2.5, Russ 2.6)
Drives - 11.3 (Russ 17.8, Dennis 13.3, Lebron 9.5)
KCP:
DBPM: +0.6
BPM: -0.9
Deflections: 1.2
Drives - 2.3
Delon would be a nice insurance in case Dennis walks for nothing.
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