Been saying Hield is the most realistic splashy trade that we could pull off this off season. Hield is a legit top-tier 3pt shot maker who can generate a lot of gravity, and he's not a stationary shooter like DG or KCP.
If Trez opts in, I'd expand that trade to include Delon Wright.
Kuz+KCP+Trez+pick(if necessary) for Hield and Delon Wright.
I've wanted Delon since last season's trade deadline. He's a tall combo guard who can defend as good if not better than KCP but he can handle the ball and playmake unlike KCP. Plus he's on a cheap contract, only 8.5M. He doesn't penetrate as often as a Westbrook or Dennis but he does it well enough. He shot 37% from 3 last season which is pretty decent. A career 35% shooter, same as KCP.
Delon Wright:
DBPM: +1.3
BPM: +2.0
Deflections: 3.0 (AD 2.5, Russ 2.6)
Drives - 11.3 (Russ 17.8, Dennis 13.3, Lebron 9.5)
Delon would be a nice insurance in case Dennis walks for nothing.
I could get behind this fully but I think Rob is looking for that splashy 3rd star move. And honestly, if Beal gets traded, so does Westbrook. Will be interesting but I think if you forget the 3rd guy outlook and just build a deep team that covers all the bases, we're good but in a league that has Harden/KD/Kyrie altogether, it feel like teams will try to match that star power.
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I think people are underestimating just how good Buddy would be as a 3rd option behind Lebron and AD. He'd be taking literally wide open 3s or at worst ensuring that players are unable to help off him when Bron comes down the lane or AD has the ball in the post.
Still think we need another high level shooter, but if we keep KCP and add Buddy then teams won't be able to help without leaving a high level shooter open for a 3. That would significantly improve our effectiveness on offense.
To me that deal is worth giving up Kuz + THT. I know people are gonna moan and groan about including THT, but he's still a project and we're getting a cost controlled elite 3pt weapon that can not only catch and shoot but create a bit for himself. Plus he's closer to the AD timeline. I think realistically he's about the best we can get for a few rotation guys that have upside but have not proven they can start on a championship level team.
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
Me, an optimistic Laker fan:
Buddy's first season in LA:
• 31.3% on wide-open 3PT
• 33.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 17.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 1st on Lakers in total 3PM (97)
Sounds about right
I'm not sure if even Steph can break the Laker 3pt curse
It's pretty sad that our most reliable 3pt shooter is Lebron James these days. KCP was streaky after his incredible start where he would either drop a few threes, or throw a straight donut. Unreal lol. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif
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Megaton wrote:
Kobetan wrote:
Cutheon wrote:
32 wrote:
Buddy Hield over the last 5 seasons:
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
Me, an optimistic Laker fan:
Buddy's first season in LA:
• 31.3% on wide-open 3PT
• 33.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 17.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 1st on Lakers in total 3PM (97)
Sounds about right
I'm not sure if even Steph can break the Laker 3pt curse
It's pretty sad that our most reliable 3pt shooter is Lebron James these days. KCP was streaky after his incredible start where he would either drop a few threes, or throw a straight donut. Unreal lol.
This whole notion of the "Lakers 3pt curse" is a bit overblown.
The season before KCP joined us, he shot .350 from downtown. Since then, he has shot .383, .347, .385 and .410 with us from beyond the arc.
Yes, he's a bit inconsistent, but not that much. He's a great 3-point shooter who has only gotten better at it since joining the Lakers.
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
Me, an optimistic Laker fan:
Buddy's first season in LA:
• 31.3% on wide-open 3PT
• 33.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 17.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 1st on Lakers in total 3PM (97)
Sounds about right
I'm not sure if even Steph can break the Laker 3pt curse
It's pretty sad that our most reliable 3pt shooter is Lebron James these days. KCP was streaky after his incredible start where he would either drop a few threes, or throw a straight donut. Unreal lol.
This whole notion of the "Lakers 3pt curse" is a bit overblown.
The season before KCP joined us, he shot .350 from downtown. Since then, he has shot .383, .347, .385 and .410 with us from beyond the arc.
Yes, he's a bit inconsistent, but not that much. He's a great 3-point shooter who has only gotten better at it since joining the Lakers.
Dude is mentally tough, dropping threes on house arrest
Hold up, this dude also goes into slumps
He’s both KCP and Casey P
Appropriately $13m
Per Shams, Kuz is likely in the deal. We know him and Luke get along just fine too...
Quote:
“Luke is my guy. I love playing for him," Kuzma said Monday, per the Los Angeles Times' Tania Ganguli. "... We just gotta stay locked in as a family and listen to the people that matter in our basketball lives. ... We stand by Luke. I know the front office does."
So Buddy at 23.1m has to have a minimum incoming salary of 18.4m going back to Sac to get a legal deal done. Post Aug 2nd, Kuz is @ 13m, so we need 5.4m in salary to get it done. By that time we should know if Trez opted in or not and if he did, that should get a deal done and give Sac Holmes insurance.
If not, then a 30 day window starts where #22 can be aggregated at about 2.5m and with Marc at 2.7m, you only need to guarantee McKinnie at about 200k. Send along 200k in cash to Sac to help buy McK out.
And if Sac doesn’t want to wait that 1 month, then you can expand the deal to include KCP with Kuz to bring in DWright along with Buddy. Or also include Marc’s salary to have enough in aggregation to bring back both Buddy & Bagley’s deals.
FYI: if we operate as a hard capped team (ie use the fMLE on DeRozan for example), then Buddy’s “unlikely incentives” of 2.5m are part of the hard cap calculations. We can still trade for him as a 23.1m salaried player, but in determining how much wiggle we have under the cap apron, he will be seen as a 25.6m salaried player. _________________ Not familiar with the salary cap/CBA rules & how it impacts our Lakers?
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Keep DS and Sign Buddy... That's a win! Not sure how the Lakers afford all that but that's not my problem
With the Dodgers guys owning 27%, I doubt this is even an issue.
It’s more of do they really think a DS/Buddy backcourt wins. Dennis has yet to prove he is anything more than a 6th man and Buddy has yet to play on a team expected to contend for an NBA chip.
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
Me, an optimistic Laker fan:
Buddy's first season in LA:
• 31.3% on wide-open 3PT
• 33.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 17.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 1st on Lakers in total 3PM (97)
Sounds about right
I'm not sure if even Steph can break the Laker 3pt curse
It's pretty sad that our most reliable 3pt shooter is Lebron James these days. KCP was streaky after his incredible start where he would either drop a few threes, or throw a straight donut. Unreal lol.
This whole notion of the "Lakers 3pt curse" is a bit overblown.
The season before KCP joined us, he shot .350 from downtown. Since then, he has shot .383, .347, .385 and .410 with us from beyond the arc.
Yes, he's a bit inconsistent, but not that much. He's a great 3-point shooter who has only gotten better at it since joining the Lakers.
Percentages without context is misleading. Look at KCP's volume. The dude plays scared when he feels the need to protect his percentages. For comparisons sake:
Last 3 years of KCP:
2019: 5.3 3PA
2020: 3.5 3PA
2021: 4.4 3PA
Last 3 years of Hield:
2019: 7.9 3PA
2020: 9.6 3PA
2021: 10.2 3PA
Now let's compare percentages:
Last 3 years of KCP:
2019: 34.7 3P% (ew)
2020: 38.5 3P%
2021: 41% 3P%
Last 3 years of Hield:
2019: 42.7 3P%
2020: 39.4 3P%
2021: 39.1 3P%
As you can see here, it's not even close. Hield is so much of a better shooter, that in comparison, KCP should be in the G-league.
Despite Hield shooting 2% worse than KCP this year, he also shoot at OVER TWICE THE VOLUME than KCP. When KCP shot a little over 5 3s per game, his percentages went down a lot. I would rather have Hield's 3 point shooting this year than KCP. That goes for other players with a higher volume at slightly less percentages. Especially someone Lonzo Ball as another example. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif
I don’t think fans understand the lack of defense that Hield has. Good scorer but will that fly for Vogel?
I suppose the hope would be that in a system that prioritized defense, Hield would step up his focus on that end. Pre-draft he measured 6’5” (in shoes) with a 6′ 9.25” wingspan and 8′ 5” standing reach. Those are good numbers for a combo guard. He was also ranked fairly high as a defender coming into the league, though that could also have been a function of superior fitness and advanced age compared to college competition. It’s probably reasonable to expect his best effort at least if he gets dealt to LA.
I have my doubts this is an open issue anyway. We’ve heard about it meaning it’s likely something the teams have moved on from, or someone is trying to leverage someone else. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
• 45.6% on wide-open 3PT
• 43.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 37.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 4th in NBA in total 3PM (1155)
Me, an optimistic Laker fan:
Buddy's first season in LA:
• 31.3% on wide-open 3PT
• 33.4% on catch-and-shoot 3PT
• 17.0% on pull-up 3PT
• 1st on Lakers in total 3PM (97)
Sounds about right
I'm not sure if even Steph can break the Laker 3pt curse
It's pretty sad that our most reliable 3pt shooter is Lebron James these days. KCP was streaky after his incredible start where he would either drop a few threes, or throw a straight donut. Unreal lol.
This whole notion of the "Lakers 3pt curse" is a bit overblown.
The season before KCP joined us, he shot .350 from downtown. Since then, he has shot .383, .347, .385 and .410 with us from beyond the arc.
Yes, he's a bit inconsistent, but not that much. He's a great 3-point shooter who has only gotten better at it since joining the Lakers.
Percentages without context is misleading. Look at KCP's volume. The dude plays scared when he feels the need to protect his percentages. For comparisons sake:
Last 3 years of KCP:
2019: 5.3 3PA
2020: 3.5 3PA
2021: 4.4 3PA
Last 3 years of Hield:
2019: 7.9 3PA
2020: 9.6 3PA
2021: 10.2 3PA
Now let's compare percentages:
Last 3 years of KCP:
2019: 34.7 3P% (ew)
2020: 38.5 3P%
2021: 41% 3P%
Last 3 years of Hield:
2019: 42.7 3P%
2020: 39.4 3P%
2021: 39.1 3P%
As you can see here, it's not even close. Hield is so much of a better shooter, that in comparison, KCP should be in the G-league.
Despite Hield shooting 2% worse than KCP this year, he also shoot at OVER TWICE THE VOLUME than KCP. When KCP shot a little over 5 3s per game, his percentages went down a lot. I would rather have Hield's 3 point shooting this year than KCP. That goes for other players with a higher volume at slightly less percentages. Especially someone Lonzo Ball as another example.
They are different type of players. One is a spot up shooter and the other is a motion shooter able to let it fly as soon as he turns the screen.
Of course Hield is the better shooter but what KCP does for us can not be replaced that easily. If anything they fit together like a glove due to KCP being able to defend PGs at such a high level.
KCP has been playing banged up, gives 100% every night, plays within his role, defends all types of guards and shoots 38+ from 3. Yes he has his bad stretches but so does every other shooter in the league. There is a reason LeBron and Davis respect him.
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