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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:25 pm    Post subject:

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That would be one deadly lineup
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:
DS
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That would be one deadly lineup


It would certainly be amazing offensively. I worry about the lack of perimeter size defensively though. DS and KCP are already a bit too small together.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Cyberfreak444 wrote:
Lucky_Shot wrote:
DS
Buddy
KCP
LBJ
AD

That would be one deadly lineup


It would certainly be amazing offensively. I worry about the lack of perimeter size defensively though. DS and KCP are already a bit too small together.

yea but both guys play D. that was the bright spot of DS IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Lucky_Shot wrote:
DS
Buddy
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That would be one deadly lineup


It would certainly be amazing offensively. I worry about the lack of perimeter size defensively though. DS and KCP are already a bit too small together.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:41 pm    Post subject:

I'd rather pay THT $10M to start at PG than πŸ’° Schroder $20-25M to start at PG.

If we are down to Schroder, THT or Caruso, let Schroder walk.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:54 pm    Post subject:

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I'd rather pay THT $10M to start at PG than πŸ’° Schroder $20-25M to start at PG.

If we are down to Schroder, THT or Caruso, let Schroder walk.


I would take both THT and Dennis, if those were the only 2 options.
THT just was not ready last year.
Who knows if he will be this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:11 pm    Post subject:

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I'd rather pay THT $10M to start at PG than πŸ’° Schroder $20-25M to start at PG.

If we are down to Schroder, THT or Caruso, let Schroder walk.


I would take both THT and Dennis, if those were the only 2 options.
THT just was not ready last year.
Who knows if he will be this year.


THT wasn't ready.
DS is a poor fit and will likely never be a good fit.


IMHO, THT at his best is still better than Schroder at his. I'd rather gamble on THT getting better than DS changing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:14 pm    Post subject:

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epic_ wrote:
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I'd rather pay THT $10M to start at PG than πŸ’° Schroder $20-25M to start at PG.

If we are down to Schroder, THT or Caruso, let Schroder walk.


I would take both THT and Dennis, if those were the only 2 options.
THT just was not ready last year.
Who knows if he will be this year.


THT wasn't ready.
DS is a poor fit and will likely never be a good fit.


IMHO, THT at his best is still better than Schroder at his. I'd rather gamble on THT getting better than DS changing.


I agree.
But signing DS doesn't mean we're married to him.
He can be traded later on if THT balls out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:19 pm    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
epic_ wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
I'd rather pay THT $10M to start at PG than πŸ’° Schroder $20-25M to start at PG.

If we are down to Schroder, THT or Caruso, let Schroder walk.


I would take both THT and Dennis, if those were the only 2 options.
THT just was not ready last year.
Who knows if he will be this year.


THT wasn't ready.
DS is a poor fit and will likely never be a good fit.


IMHO, THT at his best is still better than Schroder at his. I'd rather gamble on THT getting better than DS changing.


I agree.
But signing DS doesn't mean we're married to him.
He can be traded later on if THT balls out.


That's true but I'm worried Schroder will want a salary that will be very hard to move in the future. We don't have a lot of assets. If we give him $25M/yr, we'd have to add assets to move him - See NOP/MEM trade.

I don't see Schroder's value exceeding what he can get on the open market this year. If he can't get $25M from anyone else, no one will want to trade for him at that price, thus, we'd be married to him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject:

Yea. $25 might just be too much. I was thinking of the lowest price you mentioned at $20.

In the end, I can't see the Lakers offering him $20+M.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:34 pm    Post subject:

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Yea. $25 might just be too much. I was thinking of the lowest price you mentioned at $20.

In the end, I can't see the Lakers offering him $20+M.


Lakers offered him that during the season. He declined.


If DS accepted around $18M to start, sure. That's a lot of money AND we could likely move him.


Anything over $20M? That's a gamble we take.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:47 pm    Post subject:

I'd rather have DeMar DeRozan than Buddy, but I'd welcome Buddy if we get him. He's just not really good in 1 area. I understand some people like to go to advanced analytics, but watching him play, I don't feel he does 1 thing that good. He's average at best, that can't really play defense. Maybe on our team he'll be different, time will tell, but I wouldn't put my chips in on him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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I'd rather have DeMar DeRozan than Buddy, but I'd welcome Buddy if we get him. He's just not really good in 1 area. I understand some people like to go to advanced analytics, but watching him play, I don't feel he does 1 thing that good. He's average at best, that can't really play defense. Maybe on our team he'll be different, time will tell, but I wouldn't put my chips in on him.


Hield is a great shooter who will likely shoot better in the starting lineup next to LeBron.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:31 pm    Post subject:

Halflife wrote:
Cyberfreak444 wrote:
Lucky_Shot wrote:
DS
Buddy
KCP
LBJ
AD

That would be one deadly lineup


It would certainly be amazing offensively. I worry about the lack of perimeter size defensively though. DS and KCP are already a bit too small together.

yea but both guys play D. that was the bright spot of DS IMO.

I don't like the idea of KCP at the 3 defensively. That's just asking for trouble. We've seen how bad he is when he gets switched onto an opposing 3.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:31 pm    Post subject:

KCP
Kuzma
Trezz
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Buddy
Bagely

Gasol/McGee
AD/Bagley/Morris
LeBron/MMLE(Porter/Batum etc)/Issac Bonga
Buddy/THT/Matthews
Schroder/Caruso/Jared Butler

Let's go.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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I'd rather have DeMar DeRozan than Buddy, but I'd welcome Buddy if we get him. He's just not really good in 1 area. I understand some people like to go to advanced analytics, but watching him play, I don't feel he does 1 thing that good. He's average at best, that can't really play defense. Maybe on our team he'll be different, time will tell, but I wouldn't put my chips in on him.


DeMar DeRozan would be an awful fit, on both ends of the court. He had a chance to come to LA a few years ago - had he done so, we could've constructed a team that maximized his talent. But as we are constructed now, DD will just be in the way of what we are trying to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:59 pm    Post subject:

I have a feeling we get Ben and buddy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:02 pm    Post subject:

This is one of the Kuz trades I'm hesitant but I can at least see the merit in it. I'm just worried that once he doesn't get 10 3 point shots a night hows that going to affect his rhythm and shooting. Also if hes off shooting wise he doesn't really provide anything else that you need from a championship role player. He might have a lot of bad habits having been on a losing team his whole career like Drummond.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:05 pm    Post subject:

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This is one of the Kuz trades I'm hesitant but I can at least see the merit in it. I'm just worried that once he doesn't get 10 3 point shots a night hows that going to affect his rhythm and shooting. Also if hes off shooting wise he doesn't really provide anything else that you need from a championship role player. He might have a lot of bad habits having been on a losing team his whole career like Drummond.


He'll get his shots if he's on the court. Heck, our lousy shooters passed up ,ore than 10 wide open threes per game.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:08 pm    Post subject:

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This is one of the Kuz trades I'm hesitant but I can at least see the merit in it. I'm just worried that once he doesn't get 10 3 point shots a night hows that going to affect his rhythm and shooting. Also if hes off shooting wise he doesn't really provide anything else that you need from a championship role player. He might have a lot of bad habits having been on a losing team his whole career like Drummond.


He'll get his shots if he's on the court. Heck, our lousy shooters passed up ,ore than 10 wide open threes per game.


KCP overpassing the ball happened occasionally, but its overblown imo. Nobody on our team averaged even close to 10 3 pointers a game. I'm just saying like every role player on this team his shot attempts aren't going to come nearly as often as hes used to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:18 pm    Post subject:

Kuz/McKinnie = Buddy

DS/THT/22 = Ben
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:31 pm    Post subject:

Ksig wrote:
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This is one of the Kuz trades I'm hesitant but I can at least see the merit in it. I'm just worried that once he doesn't get 10 3 point shots a night hows that going to affect his rhythm and shooting. Also if hes off shooting wise he doesn't really provide anything else that you need from a championship role player. He might have a lot of bad habits having been on a losing team his whole career like Drummond.


He'll get his shots if he's on the court. Heck, our lousy shooters passed up ,ore than 10 wide open threes per game.


KCP overpassing the ball happened occasionally, but its overblown imo. Nobody on our team averaged even close to 10 3 pointers a game. I'm just saying like every role player on this team his shot attempts aren't going to come nearly as often as hes used to.


Kuz was at 5.6 attempts last season off the bench. Not wild to imagine Buddy would get at least 8 attempts starting for us.

Even if he won't get enough shots as he's used to, the gravity that he'd have just being on the court would free up a lot of space for AD and Bron to work with. We haven't seen an elite shooter with AD and Bron yet, one that defenders have to chase around the halfcourt. He's at the top tier as far as 3pt shotmaking goes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:50 pm    Post subject:

Big fan of what Hield can do for us. Sacramento has long been one of the most poorly coached teams in the league, a tradition continued by Luke Walton. Hield has a sort of toughness that I think would shine more when he's put in more of a winning context, something he's never seen in Sac. His role is as a secondary, three point heavy scorer in our non-alpha lineups or as a spot-up flamethrower next to LBJ and AD. If there's a constant in the league, you can never have more shooting, and our inability to space the floor correlated with very low scoring nights routinely last season. It's the reason why shooters are always (over)drafted. Hield will generate the well needed scoring/shooting gravity to grease the offensive wheels. He's a good fit next to LBJ/THT/Caruso, our attack guard/perimeter players.

Hield can be subsumed into our defensive schemes--there's athleticism, rebounding and some shotblocking by size--and even if he's undersized, we're one of the bigger teams in the league. Our team ethos/Vogel will cover up for him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:35 pm    Post subject:

Outspoken wrote:
I'd rather have DeMar DeRozan than Buddy, but I'd welcome Buddy if we get him. He's just not really good in 1 area. I understand some people like to go to advanced analytics, but watching him play, I don't feel he does 1 thing that good. He's average at best, that can't really play defense. Maybe on our team he'll be different, time will tell, but I wouldn't put my chips in on him.


The one thing he does is a an ELITE level.
And we REALLY need that elite level skill.
Which happened to be the most important skill in today’s NBA.
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