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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:14 am    Post subject:

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Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?
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solid game
No doubt, he hustled on both ends, his shot was falling and he stayed focused. He got to the rim at will and dished out a filthy assist or two. Mos def an exciting performance by Russ.

The team has a lot of work to do but IMO if Brodie plays like that, with the Lakers at full strength, we will be a playoff team.

he has been great recently and very solid since coming off the bench in general.
one thing i notice from last night is that he took some mid range jumpers from the FT line area and they were falling. i wonder why doesn't he take more of those? that was part of his game during his prime days, mid range pull up from the FT line. why bother with those crazy bank shots from the elbow when you can just go to the middle and take a FT line jumper.
Agreed!
He is finally playing within himself and within the system; as a result it lifts the level of team play.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:17 am    Post subject:

hopefully we get the classic Westbrook improvement curve over the course of the season. seems like it's on par so far
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Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:27 am    Post subject:

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Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:28 am    Post subject:

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hopefully we get the classic Westbrook improvement curve over the course of the season. seems like it's on par so far

his RAPTOR was -5.0 at the start, it is at -1.0 now, only AD/Lebron/Reaves ranks higher than him now (Wenyen too if we lower the minutes) the advanced stats backs up the eyeball test.
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Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:50 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:59 am    Post subject:

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ocho wrote:
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ocho wrote:
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ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:06 pm    Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


Have you seen the Lakers schedule just curious? We have SAC tomorrow night and MEM on Friday night followed by a game against POR in a place were we have always struggled, later this month we have BOS and BRK coming up, let’s be realistic there is a very good chance we are gonna fall back in the standings
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:08 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.

competitive for a playoff spot you think?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:17 pm    Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.

competitive for a playoff spot you think?


That’s difficult to say with so many teams in a traffic jam. Being 2.5 games back sounds great until you realize that there’s a team 2 games back and a team 1.5 games back and 3 teams 1 game back and another team a half game back.

Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:29 pm    Post subject:

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Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.


This is brons 5th season and has led us to the lottery without russ. So 3 lottos for him. If he could stay healthy like russ maybe we do better. But unlike russ, who voiced his frustrations last year, Bron ended the season saying it wasn't a failure.

the whole story.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:37 pm    Post subject:

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Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.


This is brons 5th season and has led us to the lottery without russ. So 3 lottos for him. If he could stay healthy like russ maybe we do better. But unlike russ, who voiced his frustrations last year, Bron ended the season saying it wasn't a failure.

the whole story.


Have you picked out a new shtick for when LeBron retires or are you still weighing options?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:43 pm    Post subject:

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Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.


This is brons 5th season and has led us to the lottery without russ. So 3 lottos for him. If he could stay healthy like russ maybe we do better. But unlike russ, who voiced his frustrations last year, Bron ended the season saying it wasn't a failure.

the whole story.


Have you picked out a new shtick for when LeBron retires or are you still weighing options?

If you are going to paint a picture why not finish it. Russ has been here for 2 lotteries. Bron 3.

Who knows how good we would be last year, this year if we had the bubble schedule.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:06 am    Post subject:

The Westbrook trade forces the Lakers to play him. They murdered their depth. So when someone says well WB is a good 6th man, but he shouldn't be closing, the argument is well who do we have that is better to close? You traded better away, and you let key piece walk.

So then it comes back to the new guys, are they outperforming WB to be closing? Hard to say.

RAPTORs for the season

Bev, Schro and Walker are significantly worse according to the RAPTOR ratings. That's the issue. WB's bad as a closing option, but the way the Lakers are set up, they're not better without him either. So then it comes down to who can give you more based on talent it's WB.

We have less than half a season left of this crap. I think we still have a chance of 1-2 play in games, especially if AD is back healthy and Lebron stays playing how he is. Once season is over we can start from scratch. Just see these 40 games out. The WB experience is almost over.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:49 am    Post subject:

the problem isn't westbrook. he can still hoop. it's his $47M and the fact that it cost us kuz, KCP, trez and AC. totally stupid!

WB at $15M? sure. NOT for $47M!
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ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.

competitive for a playoff spot you think?


That’s difficult to say with so many teams in a traffic jam. Being 2.5 games back sounds great until you realize that there’s a team 2 games back and a team 1.5 games back and 3 teams 1 game back and another team a half game back.

Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.

you just causally left out the fact that AD and Lebron had injuries for the past 2 years? we traded him to be the 3rd guy, he was forced to be the 2nd or even the 1st guy. he is not a great player compare to his prime days, but to say we are not competitive because of him is a far stretch.
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the problem isn't westbrook. he can still hoop. it's his $47M and the fact that it cost us kuz, KCP, trez and AC. totally stupid!

WB at $15M? sure. NOT for $47M!

Pretty much. If you could get a player of Westbrook's level at 15M and coming off the bench, whlle you spent 32M on starting level players, you're fine. You probably won't win a title, but you'll be good. A top 4 team, maybe.

This is where if the Lakers had a strong metrics and advanced data collecting team they would have refuted the WB trade on all fronts. The trade could have made sense if you didn't look deep into the numbers of all the players involved and just bought it on surface of appeal and raw stats.

I reallt worry that Pelinka and co. (Rambis) didn't really study the depth of the deal before making it. That's what is very worrisome moving forward. Hopefully they've learned from this one, and in any future big deal, they evaluate their assets better.
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mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.

competitive for a playoff spot you think?


That’s difficult to say with so many teams in a traffic jam. Being 2.5 games back sounds great until you realize that there’s a team 2 games back and a team 1.5 games back and 3 teams 1 game back and another team a half game back.

Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.

you just causally left out the fact that AD and Lebron had injuries for the past 2 years? we traded him to be the 3rd guy, he was forced to be the 2nd or even the 1st guy. he is not a great player compare to his prime days, but to say we are not competitive because of him is a far stretch.


They were 11-10 last year when all 3 guys played. The year before when LeBron/AD played together they were 19-8.
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ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Wonder if he realizes that if the coaches were “better” he would play less.

so we could be even less competitive?


There are many words I would use to describe the team since Westbrook came aboard. “Competitive” isn’t one of them.

better start using it then.


We are in 13th place in the West.

2.5 games behind the 6th place team.


So…13th.

competitive for a playoff spot you think?


That’s difficult to say with so many teams in a traffic jam. Being 2.5 games back sounds great until you realize that there’s a team 2 games back and a team 1.5 games back and 3 teams 1 game back and another team a half game back.

Anyway this is Westbrook’s 2nd season here. We made the playoffs and won a championship the two years prior to acquiring him. We finished 11th last season and are 13th this season and he’s played nearly every game. If you associate him with being competitive we have a very different definition.

you just causally left out the fact that AD and Lebron had injuries for the past 2 years? we traded him to be the 3rd guy, he was forced to be the 2nd or even the 1st guy. he is not a great player compare to his prime days, but to say we are not competitive because of him is a far stretch.


They were 11-10 last year when all 3 guys played. The year before when LeBron/AD played together they were 19-8.

Lebron/Wade/Bosh had the record of 9-8, it takes time, and obviously they never had any. this whole conversation goes back to the point of Russ deserves less minutes, which clearly not the case. he was balling.
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They’re 8-10 when all 3 guys play this season and Westbrook had to be moved to the bench because he was so bad. His minutes this year have gone down, btw. Career low.

But you’re right. It’s been a smash success.
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They’re 8-10 when all 3 guys play this season and Westbrook had to be moved to the bench because he was so bad. His minutes this year have gone down, btw. Career low.

But you’re right. It’s been a smash success.

playing less time and coming off the bench has bring a better result to the team. they are 8-10 with all 3 guys so all the blame goes to Russ? all i am saying is that he is making an impact on this team especially on offense, and i am not sure why anyone would disagree with that.
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They’re 8-10 when all 3 guys play this season and Westbrook had to be moved to the bench because he was so bad. His minutes this year have gone down, btw. Career low.

But you’re right. It’s been a smash success.

playing less time and coming off the bench has bring a better result to the team. they are 8-10 with all 3 guys so all the blame goes to Russ? all i am saying is that he is making an impact on this team especially on offense, and i am not sure why anyone would disagree with that.


Yes we have an established data set of what LeBron and Davis are capable of together with decent support around them. We have an additional data set of what they look like when you wipe out that support and add Westbrook. One is a championship team, the other is a dumpster fire.

He has definitely made an impact on the team by slamming shut our contending window and turning us into a jumbled mess on the court. They’ve lessened his minutes and role which in turn have lessened the damage he does and I’m supposed to give him credit? Please.
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They’re 8-10 when all 3 guys play this season and Westbrook had to be moved to the bench because he was so bad. His minutes this year have gone down, btw. Career low.

But you’re right. It’s been a smash success.

playing less time and coming off the bench has bring a better result to the team. they are 8-10 with all 3 guys so all the blame goes to Russ? all i am saying is that he is making an impact on this team especially on offense, and i am not sure why anyone would disagree with that.


Yes we have an established data set of what LeBron and Davis are capable of together with decent support around them. We have an additional data set of what they look like when you wipe out that support and add Westbrook. One is a championship team, the other is a dumpster fire.

He has definitely made an impact on the team by slamming shut our contending window and turning us into a jumbled mess on the court. They’ve lessened his minutes and role which in turn have lessened the damage he does and I’m supposed to give him credit? Please.

i also have data of how many games Lebron and AD missed. Russ didn't put a gun to our FO's head to make the trade. if you think the impact he is making is because he is playing less, why not just cut him? would that make you happy? would that make us a better team?
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