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venturalakersfan
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The naming rights money goes to AEG, not the Lakers.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The naming rights money goes to AEG, not the Lakers. |
20% equity stake I thought? Can't remember if they sold all of their stake.
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Koalita
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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51 min minutes tonight
29 pt (2/4 3pt, 55.6FG%), 10 rb, 11 ast, and an astonishing 3 TO, he was our best of the big 3 tonight.
Glad to see that he is steadily improving his game and impact. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Koalita wrote: | 51 min minutes tonight
29 pt (2/4 3pt, 55.6FG%), 10 rb, 11 ast, and an astonishing 3 TO, he was our best of the big 3 tonight.
Glad to see that he is steadily improving his game and impact. |
He has been great for 2 weeks now.
Also he doesn’t force shots. If teams give him a 3, he doesn’t take it unless it is in rhythm. Good signs |
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LakersMD
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| He’s been good to great the last two weeks. Too bad it’s not translating to wins thanks to having to fill out the rest of the roster with vet min caliber players. |
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kikanga
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | He’s been good to great the last two weeks. Too bad it’s not translating to wins thanks to having to fill out the rest of the roster with vet min caliber players. |
If Russ saved some people from getting hit by a car. They’d complain he wrinkled their clothes during the process.
Fwiw I wouldn’t put this loss on our role players.
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Westbrook has been playing better and under more control at times. Glad to see the TOs are coming down.
But I am still amazed on how many 12 ft airballs the man shoots. At least one per game. How is that possible for an MVP caliber player? |
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| He’s not the problem. One of his closests friends is. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
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mad55557777
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | Westbrook has been playing better and under more control at times. Glad to see the TOs are coming down.
But I am still amazed on how many 12 ft airballs the man shoots. At least one per game. How is that possible for an MVP caliber player? |
It happens, he is actually shooting pretty well recently, even from the 3, more importantly, he is unselfish, also the only one playing team ball. He was the only one that even made a cut when lebron was holding the ball for those 3s.
So far he assisted in 51 of the 184 Fgs by AD, and AD assisted in 17 of Westbrook’s 148 FG, both far more than second place. He is setting up AD. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players.
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| kikanga wrote: | | LakersMD wrote: | | He’s been good to great the last two weeks. Too bad it’s not translating to wins thanks to having to fill out the rest of the roster with vet min caliber players. |
If Russ saved some people from getting hit by a car. They’d complain he wrinkled their clothes during the process.
Fwiw I wouldn’t put this loss on our role players. |
I don’t post much anymore but you can see I’ve been fair in my assessments of Russ this year. And you’re right - AD and LeBron both stunk last night. |
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| MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
They just aren’t consistent
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
They just aren’t consistent |
I mean they are vet minimums |
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| LGFan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
They just aren’t consistent |
I mean they are vet minimums |
For a reason
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| MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
We also have real stars, so what's the issue? I mean, we've got it all, right? |
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kikanga
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| 2019 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
We also have real stars, so what's the issue? I mean, we've got it all, right? |
Mindset, lack of reps together, lack of off ball movement, lack of energy on the glass. We have time to figure it out. But for stretches of games it isn’t fun to watch.
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| 2019 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Russ is playing much much better. Imagine if we had real role players and not old man bargain bin guys on this roster. |
We have real role players. |
We also have real stars, so what's the issue? I mean, we've got it all, right? |
I keep asking that question. Let’s look at some of things that happened. I believe 5 or 6 losses the Lakers had significant leads and gave them up. And for some reason a good amount of the wins had been when they were behind by a significant margin.
So if the Lakers can seem to turn it on over a short periods but nothing sustained, is that a chemistry issue that could improve over time or something mental |
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| Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | | Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
Wow
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | | Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
Russ wasn’t the reason that we lost Caruso, Jeanie Buss was.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | | Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
Russ wasn’t the reason that we lost Caruso, Jeanie Buss was. |
Deciding to trade for Russ definitely was the reason we lost Caruso. It's stupid to think that Rob wasn't aware with how much the ownership was willing to pay in terms of luxury tax before they traded for Russ.
They're not dumb. Rob knew, Bron knew, AD knew and they still all collectively decided to pull the trigger.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersMD wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | LakersMD wrote: | | He’s been good to great the last two weeks. Too bad it’s not translating to wins thanks to having to fill out the rest of the roster with vet min caliber players. |
If Russ saved some people from getting hit by a car. They’d complain he wrinkled their clothes during the process.
Fwiw I wouldn’t put this loss on our role players. |
I don’t post much anymore but you can see I’ve been fair in my assessments of Russ this year. And you’re right - AD and LeBron both stunk last night. |
Sorry for getting you confused for people like
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Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. |
I try to minimize my exposure to this thread. Similar to when people ripped Rondo the regular season before our chip.
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| Car54 wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | | Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
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Lakers 2020 vs 2021
Off Rating 110 ---> 106
Def Rating 107 ---> 109
Wizards 2020 vs 2021
Off Rating 111 ---> 107
Def Rating 113 ---> 106
The lakers got worse both defensively and offensively. We lost key defensive personnel and we dropped from being the top defense in the league to 20th overall so far. The problem is that adding Russ hasn't really given us the boost offensively that some were probably expecting.
We're still lousy offensively similar to last season but we lost our top defense so here we are struggling to be a .500 team.
Russ playing Russ basketball last season with Beal led the wizards to only the 19th best(?) offense in the league last season. And now we're only getting diminishing returns on that Russ with him being redundant with Bron in the starting lineup so don't expect our offense to improve anytime soon especially with Vogel at the helm.
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| 3baller wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | | Russ has definitely improved but he's also part of the reason for the losses. His salary meant the loss of some crucial pieces like AC and KCP. Kuz was a gonner anyway, so not including him. |
Wow |
Lakers 2020 vs 2021
Off Rating 110 ---> 106
Def Rating 107 ---> 109
Wizards 2020 vs 2021
Off Rating 111 ---> 107
Def Rating 113 ---> 106
The lakers got worse both defensively and offensively. We lost key defensive personnel and we dropped from being the top defense in the league to 20th overall so far. The problem is that adding Russ hasn't really given us the boost offensively that some were probably expecting.
We're still lousy offensively similar to last season but we lost our top defense so here we are struggling to be a .500 team.
Russ playing Russ basketball last season with Beal led the wizards to only the 19th best(?) offense in the league last season. And now we're only getting diminishing returns on that Russ with him being redundant with Bron in the starting lineup so don't expect our offense to improve anytime soon especially with Vogel at the helm. |
Completely fair comparison.
1 sample size is a full year with a roster with more than 3 returning players.
The other is a much smaller sample size with a ton of new players and our best player missing extended time.
All anybody should care about is what we look like in the postseason. But it's fun to reverse engineer a narrative too though.
With fans like these after a 30 point triple double. Who needs rivals?
We definitely have a fantastic record with our guys from last year with Bron missing all this time. Think of how great we were last year with Bron out. Our role players were DOMINATING ... us to a losing record and an early playoff exit.
FWIW, I miss Caruso too. And we could've paid THT and Caruso. But we didn't. And I don't make a habit crying over spilling milk.
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