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Killer_Z
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| Hopefully he can at least give us these types of performances ...... maybe a sign of things to come for Russ. |
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miggz23
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Been a while since he put a good scoring with very good percentage and low turnovers.
Below average from Melo and Monk... No words for Ariza  |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | Been a while since he put a good scoring with very good percentage and low turnovers.
Below average from Melo and Monk... No words for Ariza |
Below average for THT too |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | 24 9 and 9 in 32 minutes. Hitting his free throws. Only 3 turnovers |
The first turnover was Ariza passed up an open 3 to him and he stepped out of bound, that was all on ariza |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
So effective that not a single team wants him |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
So effective that not a single team wants him |
It’s the contract not for what he is as a player, if he can prove he can put up numbers some team like the Kings or Knicks might decide to pursue him.. until these last couple of games.. Westbrook was stinking up the joint offensively now he’s starting to turn the page. |
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Outspoken
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
We need to allow him to be a triple double player, because that is when his team is the most successful and when he is the most impactful. |
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activeverb
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
We need to allow him to be a triple double player, because that is when his team is the most successful and when he is the most impactful. |
Not really.
WB averaged a triple-double in four seasons.
In those four seasons, his teams were not particularly good in the regular season (finishing 4th, 6th, 6th, and 8th in their division) or in the playoffs.
His teams never made it past the first round of the playoff, and had a combined playoff record of 5-16 in those four years.
For WB to be a triple-double player, you have to design the whole offense around him, as well as develop a scheme for him to cheat off his man defensively to get rebounds.
That is a formula for stats, rather than a formula for success.
In fact, Westbrook teams had their most success in years when his statistics, especially in rebounding, were not so mind-boggling. In the only year a Westbrook team made it to the finals, he averaged 23-4-6. |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
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Lakesh0wtime
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
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Outspoken
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
We need to allow him to be a triple double player, because that is when his team is the most successful and when he is the most impactful. |
Not really.
WB averaged a triple-double in four seasons.
In those four seasons, his teams were not particularly good in the regular season (finishing 4th, 6th, 6th, and 8th in their division) or in the playoffs.
His teams never made it past the first round of the playoff, and had a combined playoff record of 5-16 in those four years.
For WB to be a triple-double player, you have to design the whole offense around him, as well as develop a scheme for him to cheat off his man defensively to get rebounds.
That is a formula for stats, rather than a formula for success.
In fact, Westbrook teams had their most success in years when his statistics, especially in rebounding, were not so mind-boggling. In the only year a Westbrook team made it to the finals, he averaged 23-4-6. |
It depends on how you view success. If we are measuring his success along KD, and Harden, when he made it to the finals, or along KD, when the thunder almost beat the Warriors, I don't think that is a fair assessment, but maybe it is my use of the word "most." Maybe just saying his teams have been successful and he has been very impactful when getting a triple double, it would have been received better.
In 157 games of getting a triple double he has a record of 111 - 46. A 71% winning percentage over the course of 6 seasons. When Westbrook gets a triple double his teams have been effective in winning. For example in 2017 the thunder won 57% of their games, when he got a triple double, it jumps to 81%. Wizards 46% overall, when he got a triple double, 61%. Over the course of 6 seasons, when he doesn't get a triple double, he has won 56% percent, he gets a triple double it jumps up to 71%. Now in terms of winning in the playoffs and a championship, need a talented team for that. |
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Cyberfreak444
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | Been a while since he put a good scoring with very good percentage and low turnovers.
Below average from Melo and Monk... No words for Ariza |
Below average for THT too |
This type of game is what I have come to expect from THT. He’s been better lately but he’s just got too many flaws in his game. |
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krisobe
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| Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
WB/Monk/Stanley/Bron/AD should be starting 5. Huge huge upgrade over our current starters of WB/Bradley/Ariza/Bron/Dwight. Out goes Bradley/Ariza/Dwight and IN comes Monk/Stanley/AD. Also our new 6th man should be Nunn when he gets back in a couple weeks. Things should be looking up in the next 1-2 weeks 🤞 |
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giordan0
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This type of game is what I have come to expect from THT. He’s been better lately but he’s just got too many flaws in his game. |
I feel like he's been scouted enough now and teams know his tendencies. |
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| krisobe wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
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To be honest, if Vogewl did that, it would be monumentally stupid of him. AD is not a center, they need to stop trying to force him to be one.
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leking006
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Can they just ask Marc Gasol to comeback? 
At least he is better overall than DAJ |
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| MJST wrote: | | krisobe wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
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To be honest, if Vogewl did that, it would be monumentally stupid of him. AD is not a center, they need to stop trying to force him to be one. |
I think he lost weight, so he could move back to PF. Along with moving better and becoming his normal self. I believe Dudley said he has lost 20 pounds. |
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leking006
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| MJST wrote: | | krisobe wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
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To be honest, if Vogewl did that, it would be monumentally stupid of him. AD is not a center, they need to stop trying to force him to be one. |
Well basically Lebron will still be the Center as he will take the center of the opposing team and AD will be the main helper. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | krisobe wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
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To be honest, if Vogewl did that, it would be monumentally stupid of him. AD is not a center, they need to stop trying to force him to be one. |
AD is shooting terrible. Russ can't shoot at all. Dwight and/or DJ don't. Even if Monk is the other starter, the spacing is terrible if AD is at the 4.
Agree he shouldn't be starting C nor does he want to but it's the roster we have. Unless you want to move Russ to the bench. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | krisobe wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Lakesh0wtime wrote: | He’s been frustrating this whole year but definitely not trading him for John Wall.
That would be idiotic |
yeah, hate the guy for his performance, but trading him for wall is a dumb move, let alone adding FRP to do so. Some of the Westbrook rebounds were very critical and that’s very important for us in a small lineup |
Yeah let’s see how things look with AD back.
Hoping AD helps piece things together.
Monk should start too. Vogel literally screwed up his offensive rhythm by moving him to the bench |
Once AD gets back, he will replace Dwight at Center. Monk should start over bradley, and Stanley over Ariza.
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To be honest, if Vogewl did that, it would be monumentally stupid of him. AD is not a center, they need to stop trying to force him to be one. |
AD is shooting terrible. Russ can't shoot at all. Dwight and/or DJ don't. Even if Monk is the other starter, the spacing is terrible if AD is at the 4.
Agree he shouldn't be starting C nor does he want to but it's the roster we have. Unless you want to move Russ to the bench. |
AD's shot became terrible after he gained weight. His shot could be back, now that he lost weight. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | You guys can criticize Westbrook all you want but he’s still proving he’s a effective player |
Did he start playing defense yet?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | In 157 games of getting a triple double he has a record of 111 - 46. A 71% winning percentage over the course of 6 seasons. When Westbrook gets a triple double his teams have been effective in winning. |
He plays in the other games, too.
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troy
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If we had Nunn and Anthony Davis playing and contributing on the scoring end, RW wouldn't have to feel the need to take so many shots. He has cut down his turnovers. If and hopefully when he feels he doesn't have to "contribute" so much offensively, he will be an effective asset for the Lakers.
With Lebron in a crazy offensive zone, with Monk hitting from outside, with (maybe) Nunn doing what he can potentially do offensively, with AD (hopefully) finally playing up to his capabilities, and RW doing the good stuff he does, then this Lakers team should have the ability to mount a serious run at the end of the season, just in time for the playoffs. |
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