Few trade scenario's that might work out for Westbrook and be of interest to both teams:
LA & Philly
Westbrook for T. Harris and D. Melton
LA & NY
Westbrook for J.Randle, D-Rose & Reddish
LA & Cha
Westbrook for Oubre Jr & Hayward & ~$500k Cash to even out $.
LA & Cle
Westbrook for K-Love & LeVert
He and harden fell out in Houston. You want them to get worse across the board on defense and shooting to force Joel out or something? That’s all Russ can offer them especially since Harden has to slide to SF in your proposal for Maxey and Russ to play, and you leave them with no starting 4 unless you’re sliding Thybulle there and oh lord the spacing of him and Russ with the lack of defense by Russ and Harden would either force Joel out or get him hurt
Why the hell would Brunson sign up to play with Russ when going to ny is about being the pg and not letting Luka dictate the offense? Luka is exponentially better, more skilled, and less selfish than Russ. It makes no sense.
Lakers could just go all in on that and throw in Nunn and Rozier. Russ and Nunn for Rozier, Hayward, and Oubre gives them more to work with. They then have their mle to use how they want. They have Haywards expiring to flip next summer. Oubre is an expiring to deal at the deadline or see if he plays well with his early bird rights. Rozier is just a better scorer and defender than Russ and they don’t have to wait for glass knees Nunn to suit up. Plus the hornets can move on to paying Ball, Bridges, and Washington
Again why the (bleep) would Cleveland do it? They were in the play in last year. They will have Levert for a full season. Love played great last year off the bench. Allen won’t be hurt to start the year. Garland will just get better. There’s no reason to set their team back, let alone make themselves remarkably worse by bringing in Russ to duck up Garlands development or even Mobleys since he played point forward last year when Garland sat. To even write that means you don’t watch other teams or get basketball
when will it be the day where someone turns him into a slashing sg?
His ability to finish at the rim has diminished due to his declining athleticism. And teams seem to be willing to put a bigger forward on him and then he can't bully ball or get past the bigger wing defender. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
when will it be the day where someone turns him into a slashing sg?
His ability to finish at the rim has diminished due to his declining athleticism. And teams seem to be willing to put a bigger forward on him and then he can't bully ball or get past the bigger wing defender.
Plus slashing SG's also need the paint to be open through a combination of the other 4 dudes being good shooters and an offense designed to draw the opposing shot-blocker(s) out of the paint. Oh, and any scheme that has the slashing SG as mostly an off-ball recipient won't be effective in Westbrook's case as the fallback in such schemes is usually for the SG to take the open shot.
when will it be the day where someone turns him into a slashing sg?
His ability to finish at the rim has diminished due to his declining athleticism. And teams seem to be willing to put a bigger forward on him and then he can't bully ball or get past the bigger wing defender.
Plus slashing SG's also need the paint to be open through a combination of the other 4 dudes being good shooters and an offense designed to draw the opposing shot-blocker(s) out of the paint.
I'm seeing/hearing more people (latest TMAC/Jalen Rose) that correctly suggest that in the best interest of BOTH Russ/Lakers, having him come off the bench is the right move. Having him start with AD/LBJ will just put him back to the same struggles he had last year (the team was also just 11-10 with LBJ/AD/Russ). I think he needs autonomy to play at his best and that will be a lead guard off the bench. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
when will it be the day where someone turns him into a slashing sg?
His ability to finish at the rim has diminished due to his declining athleticism. And teams seem to be willing to put a bigger forward on him and then he can't bully ball or get past the bigger wing defender.
Plus slashing SG's also need the paint to be open through a combination of the other 4 dudes being good shooters and an offense designed to draw the opposing shot-blocker(s) out of the paint.
I'm seeing/hearing more people (latest TMAC/Jalen Rose) that correctly suggest that in the best interest of BOTH Russ/Lakers, having him come off the bench is the right move. Having him start with AD/LBJ will just put him back to the same struggles he had last year (the team was also just 11-10 with LBJ/AD/Russ). I think he needs autonomy to play at his best and that will be a lead guard off the bench.
Russ off the bench is the easiest solution if he is still a Laker.
The issue is convincing Russ that this is best for Russ.
That would hurt his future earnings (as he will likely not be getting more than a MMLE IMO in his next deal) if he comes off as a non-team player and pouts.
Ironically, this would allow Russ to not look terrible (starting next to LBJ/AD) and showcase himself better running the 2nd unit. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Russ off the bench is the easiest solution if he is still a Laker.
The issue is convincing Russ that this is best for Russ.
That would hurt his future earnings (as he will likely not be getting more than a MMLE IMO in his next deal) if he comes off as a non-team player and pouts.
Ironically, this would allow Russ to not look terrible (starting next to LBJ/AD) and showcase himself better running the 2nd unit.
Yeah after the past 3 seasons, Russ has to show that he is still an impact player. Don’t think anyone is going to give him MMLE unless he demonstrates he can provide value AND be a team player.
Same goes for Kyrie. No one is touching that guy until he shows he can be dependable. Obviously Kyrie is still one of the best offensive players in the game so he will be in higher salary bracket, but same idea as Russ…
It’s best for Russ if he tries to re-invent himself late in his career. I think I saw some stat where he was something like 31% at the rim last season lol.
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He has to absolutely reinvent himself if he wants another contract next year from hopefully another team.
He had other worldly elite athleticism that could paper over his shooting deficiencies. He's 33 now and doesn't have anywhere near that. His shooting remains a problem.
He's gotta stop trying to play like a "star" and understand how to maximize his role to be a role player so he can continue playing in the NBA. No team is going to want a then-34 year old who still fancies himself a star when all the evidence is to the contrary. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Russ off the bench is the easiest solution if he is still a Laker.
The issue is convincing Russ that this is best for Russ.
Convincing him? He's got paid $47M. He will sit with the cheerleaders with we told him to. We're the boss here and he's at a point in his career where he has zero leverage.
I still want to just waive him and give a two-way player his roster spot because a two-way player could give us a Caruso whereas playing Brick doesn't give us any potential value for the future.
Sure Russ can still get somewhat decent numbers, but performing poorly (due to being a bad fit) as a starter or potentially thriving as a 6th man? Which allows him to retain better value in the eyes of other organisations?
Let's see if anything changes come game 1 of the season
Russ off the bench is the easiest solution if he is still a Laker.
The issue is convincing Russ that this is best for Russ.
There's no need to convince. He just doesn't start. If he doesn't want to put in the effort coming off the bench, he won't play. In which case he will be traded by the deadline or he can go elsewhere next summer for whatever a team will want to pay a "ME FIRST PLAYER".
happy for Russ.
47mil
Honor The Gift line
Why Not shoe
Tons of other accolades
seemingly great family
does more than most for the community
Whether he's here or not he sure did well for a guy who was apparently drafted too high.
At least there are 1-2 folks on LG who are happy about it
Love the guy but I never wanted him here, never said we should trade for him but I certainly have a soft spot for some locals to my city.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:37 pm Post subject:
The only trade that makes sense is charlotte. Hayward if healthy which is a big if would give us a secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Oubre would shore up the wing spot even if he is inconsistent and aloof at times. If we can somehow snatch rozier up that would be great too. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
The only trade that makes sense is charlotte. Hayward if healthy which is a big if would give us a secondary ballhandler and playmaker. Oubre would shore up the wing spot even if he is inconsistent and aloof at times. If we can somehow snatch rozier up that would be great too.
I know it's not mentioned, but Detroit could use some RW leadership on that young squad _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
They're not bringing him off the bench, Ham has been clear he is going to ask RW to be a defensive presence and also get the ball in a certain way in fastbreak situations that he didn't last year. I think the message will be - you play defense, you get the ball. You don't play D, you don't get PT/ball. I don't see them demoting him to off the bench, not right away at least.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:26 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
They're not bringing him off the bench, Ham has been clear he is going to ask RW to be a defensive presence and also get the ball in a certain way in fastbreak situations that he didn't last year. I think the message will be - you play defense, you get the ball. You don't play D, you don't get PT/ball. I don't see them demoting him to off the bench, not right away at least.
When he doesn't play D and you take away PT, does his replacement get the start when he is playing more minutes than RW?
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